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RE: Who owns the unclaimed north- Russia disputes - 1/27/2008 9:57:18 AM   
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we have plenty of snow here in toronto so sex with girls in the snow already happens.  dont need antarctica.

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RE: Who owns the unclaimed north- Russia disputes - 1/27/2008 11:26:41 AM   
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Please don't tell me that you still believe that oil comes from decomposed dinosaurs.
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Prehistoric creatures yes, you can say dinosaurs if you like but that excludes prehistoric sea life, I'm no expert in this area but obviously you are.

Do enlighten me as to the origins of oil Mr thompson, discarded caveman marshmallows was it?

I'm all for learning new things and old myths I have in my head being banished to the past
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RE: Who owns the unclaimed north- Russia disputes - 1/27/2008 1:32:35 PM   
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Sex with girls in the snow sounds like a great pastime!

Except, having only just got them I really dont fancy freezing my tits off for fun.

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RE: Who owns the unclaimed north- Russia disputes - 1/27/2008 1:49:04 PM   
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Sex with girls in the snow sounds like a great pastime!

Except, having only just got them I really dont fancy freezing my tits off for fun.

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No one's saying you have to dangle your nipples in the snow - put a fur bra on or something - if you can't use a pair responsibly, then I, for one, question your right to entitlement.

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RE: Who owns the unclaimed north- Russia disputes - 1/27/2008 1:57:27 PM   
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Yes NG, I'm sure you'd enjoy either scenario eh?

Seeing me in a fur bra OR you getting to seize my assets..........

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RE: Who owns the unclaimed north- Russia disputes - 1/27/2008 2:29:51 PM   
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the climate has obviously changed a great deal and plates have shifted from one place to another I doubt there is as much oil on the southern and northern tips of the earth as we have typically found in other parts of the world where the sun had more of a direct contact and so greater influence on the congregation patterns of life. I could be wrong

One hypothesis concerning the origin of oil and of natural gas is that it is produced in the mantle and percolates up until it is trapped beneath impenetrable sediment layers in the crust of the Earth. If that hypothesis is correct, it will not matter at what latitude is drilled; the only requirement then will be to find an impenetrable sediment layer that has been in place sufficiently long to trap a quantity of oil.

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RE: Who owns the unclaimed north- Russia disputes - 1/27/2008 2:42:30 PM   
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I understand that as a theory after being curious as to what thompson said and looking it up. I still don't however understand how one theory precludes the other from existing. For example Latex is derived from cracking hydrocarbon chains but it is also found from tapping rubber trees. Why can't the chemistry of oil creation happen in two distinct ways?

Also I think the other common theory is fine but you have to ask yourself if this really affects the quantity of oil yet to be discovered. Over the years we have established a statistical understanding of how much oil is left based on how many new oil fields are being discovered year on year; it has been slowly declining. Discovering a couple of new oil fields isn't going to vastly change the overall picture. We seem to be putting off the inevitable with wishful thinking.

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RE: Who owns the unclaimed north- Russia disputes - 1/27/2008 3:04:39 PM   
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I still don't however understand how one theory precludes the other from existing.

It does not.
 
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Why can't the chemistry of oil creation happen in two distinct ways?

It may have. I do not know how it actually forms.

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you have to ask yourself if this really affects the quantity of oil yet to be discovered. Over the years we have established a statistical understanding of how much oil is left based on how many new oil fields are being discovered year on year; it has been slowly declining. Discovering a couple of new oil fields isn't going to vastly change the overall picture. We seem to be putting off the inevitable with wishful thinking.

Quite.

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RE: Who owns the unclaimed north- Russia disputes - 1/27/2008 7:54:25 PM   
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It seems like I diverted your thread the pahunkboy (hijacked seems like such an aggressive term). Sorry about that. I do think a fight is brewing over control of the arctic though it could be anywhere from five to a hundred years from now. It will be first simply because it’s closer to those who need it than the Antarctic is. That having been said...

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I agree Marc - much easier to get at as well.

I watched an article about some UK team down there right now; apparently they have found huge lakes far below the ice - in liquid form and are now busy trying to access them. The access is to find out whether there might be ancient lifeforms that have survived in that environment - which will be amazing if the theory is right.

My immediate (and cynical) thought was, "are these lakes freshwater?" - because as the population grows and the environment changes, I hear that freshwater is going to be in more and more short supply - and therefore very valuable indeed.


From a strictly scientific point of view, it would be totally cool if they discovered an unexplored eco-system! As for exploiting any freshwater in Antarctic I would think the cost of transporting it (either via ship or pipeline) would be prohibitive but hey, if people get desperate enough... necessity is the mother of invention after all.

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This kind of depends on where people think the majority of prehistoric life walked/swam about and died. Although the climate has obviously changed a great deal and plates have shifted from one place to another I doubt there is as much oil on the southern and northern tips of the earth as we have typically found in other parts of the world where the sun had more of a direct contact and so greater influence on the congregation patterns of life. I could be wrong but when I look at the variety of life there today compared to the rest of the world I don't think so. Some oil will be found possibly but not a great deal in comparison to the amount we have already exploited elsewhere. About time people were looking for alternatives.


As you said plates have been shifting and climate has been changing pretty much since day one. Given what we know about the geologic history of the earth, I see no reason Antarctica should have any more or any less mineral wealth/oil than any other comparable sized area. If, however, we were to grant your contention and say that Antarctic had less resource wealth – say, only ten percent than any other comparable sized area – it would still represent a huge wealth of untapped resources. Resources that resource starved civilizations will go to extremes to get.

For the record, I’m all for seeking out energy alternatives. I’m just looking at this from a dispassionate viewpoint (i.e. how will people/nations react when they become desperate for resources?).

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RE: Who owns the unclaimed north- Russia disputes - 1/27/2008 7:59:36 PM   
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Concerning sex in snow: Not a good idea. I tried it once and it was embarrassing as hell!

"No, no baby, it’s the cold. The cold makes them retreat. Stop laughing will you!"

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