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breatheasone -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 3:27:18 PM)

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That is why the term "abandonment play" is such an oxymoron for me, it is not play at all, it is abusive.

I can't add to that....It says it all.




julietsierra -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 3:29:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: sweetpuppy77

"Or emotional abandonment - "I'll call you when I feel like it, but don't ever call me." Or abandonment for life - "I'll first enslave you so deeply that you can't live without me, and then I'll release you and replace you with the next slave."

Both are very popular. No thanks.


That is why the term "abandonment play" is such an oxymoron for me, it is not play at all, it is abusive.


*laughing* ahh well, one man's junk is another man's treasure (or in this case, woman's).

juliet




sexyred1 -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 4:58:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: julietsierra

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: sweetpuppy77

"Or emotional abandonment - "I'll call you when I feel like it, but don't ever call me." Or abandonment for life - "I'll first enslave you so deeply that you can't live without me, and then I'll release you and replace you with the next slave."

Both are very popular. No thanks.


That is why the term "abandonment play" is such an oxymoron for me, it is not play at all, it is abusive.


*laughing* ahh well, one man's junk is another man's treasure (or in this case, woman's).

juliet


very true indeed.




shysub0951 -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 5:05:05 PM)

i think it would be more negative, since i could not live without the human contact of being close to my Dom. But everyone has their own kink.




Gwynvyd -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 5:06:05 PM)

I have not read any responses to this.. but *shudders* when I think of any of my subs... My girl Sophie, or my two male subs Jamie or my pet Eugie... I simply could not do this to them. I am thier anchor. They come to me for comfort and as a touch stone when thier lives are busy, or rough.. or studing at Law school ( for the one) has driven him over the brink... we are all intimacy junkies... I have built that trust that I am always there for them.. I do not think I could do that to any one I care for. Now do not get me wrong.. I can be a down right sadistic bitch.. but not in the emotional realm.

I would never want to make any one feel like a teenager again waiting for that popular boy or girl to call them when they said they would.. but teases and doesnt. Or even goes through and does.. it is just ickie. Just my two ducats.. I didnt pull that shit in school.

Gwyn





Gwynvyd -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 5:30:29 PM)

After reading all of the previous posts.. I think it is wonderful two people can come out the otherside of it.. and work tthough a life time of fears.

Hell, I have my own abandonment fears... I think most humans do.. ( lovely childhood of mine)

Facing down your fears is a wonderful thing.. and it takes a very strong person to do that... I am not sure *I* could face them that way... at least on this one issue. Bungee jumping to get over my fear of heights was good enough thanks. *smiles*

I recently have gone through some icky abandonment crap ( with a sub none the less ~ none I listed) so adding to it on purpose.. yeah not sure I would have the fortitude to do that... it is bad enough it is out of both of our hands.

Gwyn




CalifChick -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 7:38:05 PM)

The first nightmare I can remember having is from about second grade (yes, eons ago, it made that big of an impression on me).  The nightmare was that while I was at school, my family would move away without me.  When I got off the bus, the house was empty and I was alone.

No abandonment play for me, thank you.

Cali




breatheasone -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 9:06:15 PM)

I was left often when I was young....It had a most profound effect on me, and my ability to completely trust anyone. However I get the sense that its no longer impossible to trust completely....I'm so grateful for that new insight.




sweetpuppy77 -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 9:14:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: sweetpuppy77

"Or emotional abandonment - "I'll call you when I feel like it, but don't ever call me." Or abandonment for life - "I'll first enslave you so deeply that you can't live without me, and then I'll release you and replace you with the next slave."

Both are very popular. No thanks.


That is why the term "abandonment play" is such an oxymoron for me, it is not play at all, it is abusive.


i'm not here to judge. Something about it just pushes my buttons in a real bad way.




julietsierra -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 9:18:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

I was left often when I was young....It had a most profound effect on me, and my ability to completely trust anyone. However I get the sense that its no longer impossible to trust completely....I'm so grateful for that new insight.


What I especially like is the ability to trust in ME to be able to do more, be more, live more than I ever used to think possible. Those of us with abandonment issues always can harken back to the exact moment we were terrified of being abandoned. The trick is in being able to live a life in which we are no longer controlled by that fear on some level. The reward is when we find it in OURSELVES to do just that.

juliet




sexyred1 -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 9:20:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sweetpuppy77

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: sweetpuppy77

"Or emotional abandonment - "I'll call you when I feel like it, but don't ever call me." Or abandonment for life - "I'll first enslave you so deeply that you can't live without me, and then I'll release you and replace you with the next slave."

Both are very popular. No thanks.


That is why the term "abandonment play" is such an oxymoron for me, it is not play at all, it is abusive.


i'm not here to judge. Something about it just pushes my buttons in a real bad way.



edited because I misunderstood the post, sorry dude!!! [:D]




SimplyMichael -> RE: Abandonment play (1/27/2008 10:54:42 PM)

Abandonment play can be a very powerful experience, either good or bad and if you have to ask how to do it, I would bet you are not ready for it.

To do it safely means both parties need to have experience dealing with scenes that go tragically wrong, how to deal with a hurt and pissed off submissive without letting your overly inflated ego get in the way. 

You need to really really understand your partner and have done some serious emotional play together, both play that went well and some that went south.  It can be a bonding experience but for all to many, it would just be a disaster.




cainssub -> RE: Abandonment play (1/29/2008 8:02:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sweetpuppy77

"Or emotional abandonment - "I'll call you when I feel like it, but don't ever call me."


emotional abandonment - these are words that came out of my online Master all the time when he called me, I'll call you, i'll summon you, i'll message you.......but i cant EVER contact him or its over.....  i couldnt serve like that so we werent a good fit.........




youngsubgeoff -> RE: Abandonment play (1/29/2008 8:24:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sweetpuppy77

"Or emotional abandonment - "I'll call you when I feel like it, but don't ever call me." Or abandonment for life - "I'll first enslave you so deeply that you can't live without me, and then I'll release you and replace you with the next slave."

Both are very popular. No thanks.


My first domme did the latter to me. I never saw it coming. It also brought alot of things out of me... 2 weeks after she did this, I found myself hiding in her bushes with a knife. It was then I realized, I had let her, and was continuing to let her, get the best of me. In the end, I rang the doorbell and talked to her new boy. I told him exactly what she planned to do, and told him the signs to watch for. Not even a week later, he was leaving her house, under his own accord. I know I am the better person for taking the high road and not allowing this other guy, who has actually become a good friend, to get hurt.




HeidiAnn -> RE: Abandonment play (1/30/2008 1:38:10 AM)

Wow, what an interesting topic. :)

I too have abandonment issues, and making me feel abandoned is the fastest way to get rid of me. I quess I've had D's like that too, who promise to contact on a certain day and then contact two weeks later than agreed. I usually have told almost every time that it's over, without giving a second chance to them.

I think abandoment play could be a nice experience for me too, but it would have to be PLAY, something done when the relationship is already on a solid foundation, not something done before the first rl date.

I'm really glad to read about the positive experiences julietsierra has had. It's something I have no way relating to right now, but it's always nice to hear of two people complimenting each other. Thank you for sharing your experiences.:)

heidi




sunshinemiss -> RE: Abandonment play (1/30/2008 5:39:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: julietsierra

Abandonment play...

Y'know, I never considered it "play" per se, but yup... depending on how you define it, we've done this. And it hurt like hell. No two ways about it. It HURT.

But guess what...

As time went on and 1) he continued this process and 2) he always came back, I stopped being the "victim" of my emotional insecurities regarding this process. Each and every time, he did what he said he'd do. I mean EACH and every time. And what seemed like the worst thing in the world slowly became something that just made me angry. This gave way, over time to being frustrated, and eventually, it all just became time. I had learned to KNOW (not just hope, but KNOW) that he'd always be back and that nothing would change from the moment he left till the moment he returned.

Every now and then these days, I hit upon a glitch. But when I examine why, I generally find that it's not the abandonment issue anymore, it's other things, whether they be a tough day at work, difficulties in other areas of my life or just the unwarranted expectation that I'd be seeing him (usually at an emotionally less manageable time of the month.) And when I realize what they are, I can adjust my thinking so that it's no longer a painful process.

Oh...and my own personal definition of this is when other things have come up in his life, or he's simply chosen to do other things rather than see me, and I'm sitting there feeling left out or wondering if he still cares. (And the "abandonment" can be for a day, a week, a month or a few months, depending on what's going on in our lives.)These days, that wondering just doesn't happen anymore. I guess, in essence, he's helped me to overcome my insecurities this way.

I don't know if that's what you define "abandonment play" as, but the stuff we do is very tricky. He has to know just when I'm about at the end of my rope and when it's one day over the line. So far, he's never ever gone over the line and each time that I get all weepy about what's been happening, he reminds me that nothing is going to change and he laughs... and then, I laugh and all is right with my world. And each time, I learn more how to trust myself instead of simply living my life waiting for him. Believe it or not, all this helps me to live my life more fully than I ever imagined. I get to FEEL everything.

And no, it doesn't make me desire him less, build walls more or anything like that. It's just time. We have plenty of that.

So, is it positive or negative? Well, when it's happening, it seems like it is significantly negative. However each time I learn more about myself, him and our relationship, I have to conclude that overall, it's been a positive experience.

(Oh yea... I should mention that I'm an emotional masochist  -  in a good way, contrary to public opinion regarding emotional masochism, so my view of the merits of abandonment play may well be a part of that. If you are not or can not manage that kind of play, then of course, all bets are off. However, from my point of view, I love the challenge. There is no "warm up" involved in emotional play and through emotional masochism/sadism, I get to explore depths of me that would never be possible when engaging in only the physical side of things.)

So to me, it's all good.

juliet


Thank you so  much for your explanation.  You have really gone out on a limb and made something confusing clear.  I for one appreciate it deeply.

peace.




ExtremeOwnerIL -> RE: Abandonment play (1/30/2008 6:00:10 AM)

juliet - for what it's worth, I think you wrote an extremely POWERFUL positive post that shows the wonderful effect that a good energy flow and an honest, really solid relationship can have. You definitely have good karma today.

Regards,
EO




Lucylastic -> RE: Abandonment play (1/30/2008 6:03:42 AM)

I think most humans have/had abandonment issues, dominat or sub, wether they admit it or not.
Its definitely not somethingI could or would play with, I couldnt even threaten it.
While I have trust in spades with  my partner, it wouldnt be productive for us. I am certainly not in Juliet's Doms position of  being able to be there thru such a thing, Im very glad you (juliet) have  a positive reaction to it. Im just not cut out for it
I love a mind fuck, but along with humiliation  play, abandonment is an edge Im not willing to push. Maybe if I were in a long term 24/7 relationship, I would look into it, discuss and learn the intricacies. Until then tho, I like his mind where it is.
Lucy




SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Abandonment play (1/30/2008 6:48:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HeidiAnn

Wow, what an interesting topic. :)

I too have abandonment issues, and making me feel abandoned is the fastest way to get rid of me. I quess I've had D's like that too, who promise to contact on a certain day and then contact two weeks later than agreed. I usually have told almost every time that it's over, without giving a second chance to them.


So, that was it - abandonment play after only meeting once. Silly man - I hadn't given myself to him yet; I just thought he was irresponsible, and I told him off (politely but firmly).

My siblings and I were abandoned by our biological parents - left at an orphanage, and we didn't know where they were until 28 years later. Fortunately I was young enough to think that every kid gets a second chance at parents, and my adoptive parents (the ones I call my real parents) sheltered and protected us until we became adults.

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I think abandoment play could be a nice experience for me too, but it would have to be PLAY, something done when the relationship is already on a solid foundation, not something done before the first rl date.

I'm really glad to read about the positive experiences julietsierra has had. It's something I have no way relating to right now, but it's always nice to hear of two people complimenting each other. Thank you for sharing your experiences.:)

heidi



Juliet, I, too, appreciated reading your positive experience. I'm glad there are people in this world who have the strength of trust and character to test themselves in this way and pass with flying colors.




Leatherist -> RE: Abandonment play (1/30/2008 1:52:01 PM)

Don't call them for two whole days-watch as thier entire world falls apart.




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