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Lordandmaster -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 1:07:16 AM)

I gotta tell you--I don't agree. Asking why the situation was allowed to get as fucked up as it is doesn't interfere with the ongoing relief effort. On the contrary: I think it might spur the relief effort, which so far has left a lot to be desired.

The racism that is coming out is really shocking to me. When the FEMA director said that they are operating in conditions of "urban warfare," his message was that they are all a bunch of uncivilized half-breeds, and if they die, it's their own fault for not cooperating with the generous efforts to save them. When the director of the national emergency-relief agency has that kind of attitude, you can only expect chaos. It's been three full days. No wonder they're not cooperating.

Another thing I don't exactly understand. Why the hell are they busing people to San Antonio? There's no place closer than San Antonio? In the middle of a bus shortage they're going to bus people 500 miles away? And I know the Astrodome is full, but what about the other stadiums? What about Minute Maid Park? You'd think they could figure out a way to play baseball somewhere else if it means saving 30,000 people who are going to die without food and water.

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

There will be a time in the future when Monday morning quarterbacking will serve it's purpose, but right now the focus needs to stay on the people that have been enveloped by chaos.





Padriag -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 1:25:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

It's not really pointing fingers as much as asking why this is happening so slowly... It doesn't matter I suppose, since I haven't the money/resources to fly there and pick people up one by one... I just started crying when I saw the white woman on tv with a boy about the same age as mine, and the kid was losing consciousness because he's hungry, hot and dehydrated.. M

I'd hug ya if it would help. It is frustrating and part of why I'm trying to share some of what I know from my own experience is just to help people understand. Its not to talk down to anyone. And believe me, you aren't the only one crying, there are a lot of those relief workers who are crying too when no one is looking. Its so damn hard when you show up in a place like that and people rush to you looking to you to help them, expecting you to somehow fix everything an you can't. You can't help them all an you know it and it doesn't stop you from wanting to and that breaks your heart, do it long enough an it'll rip your soul apart. That's why I said earlier that those people doing the relief work don't just need our donations, they need our faith and support. They're going through their own special kind of hell just trying to help all these people.

The friend I have who is down there working. He's living out of his truck. He doesn't get a bath either or hot meals. There are no motels to stay in. No electricity for him either other than the portable generator they have. They'll be living like that for weeks, you don't do that folks if you don't care and care a whole lot!

Let me see if I can try to explain some of why the response has been so slow. The short answer is, because the devastation is just so incredibly wide spread, and that really is the main reason. But maybe it would help to explain some of how disaster response normally works.

Usually when you have a hurricane or a flood or whatever, you're talking a few counties, maybe 10, rarely a whole state. What we are dealing with now is 50% to 75% of three states hit hard. Normally there would be neighboring counties that could send first responders on the first and second day, that's your first response, it comes not form federal agencies but local ones. In this case, because the devastation is so widespread, there are no neighboring counties to help until you get far north, almost near the northern state lines of Loiusanna and Mississippi. So a lot of the manpower that would have been there with supplies and aid the first few days just wasn't available. That's the first thing I see that has made this so bad.

FEMA responded about the same as they usually do, that is, they normally start showing up on the 3rd or 4th day, they are not first responders and aren't set up to be. In this case, they came in and sometimes were the first responders whether they were prepared to be or not. In those situations you do what you can for people, but if you don't have the supplies and equipment... you're just limited in what you can do. I do think FEMA, even once they were there underestimated how much help they needed, but before anyone critcizes them for that, keep in mind they had no aerial photos and communications have been totally FUBARed down there. Usually by the time FEMA shows up, others have already made those assessments and they then organize and bring in extra help where its needed... in this case FEMA got overwhelmed having to do a lot more. Go easy on them, they're human like the rest of us an when you're staring at a few thousand people begging for help you don't always make the best decisions. Its a very chaotic situation right now and that is extremely tough to make decisions in.

While its great that there are now 30,000 national guard deployed or being deployed... the manpower is still a huge shortage. Want to know why so many are not seeing much in the way of relief workers. Consider this... you've got 30,000 national guard... 90,000 sq miles of devastation, that's an average of 1 guardsman per 3 sq miles. The manpower they have is spread really thin. An I know you're wondering why they don't move more in, they are. But also keep in mind that takes time. In the Gulf War, with full access to airports and roads and docks and things... it still took the US six months to build up 500,000 troops in Saudi Arabia. That's lest than 100,000 per month. Now consider the damage down there, the roads, everything else an that they've had at best just 5 days... 30,000 in five days isn't doing so bad. Sure, its not enough manpower, but like I said, under the circumstances is just about a miracle. 30,000 in one city is a beehive of activity... 30,000 spread over 90,000 sq mile an you'll hardly notice they're there. That's part of what they are up against.

One thing I find really interesting is that the Navy has dispatched so many ships. That's odd because normally they don't do that. Sending ships is way slower for getting supplies in than going by rail or road or air. So my guess is that they must have made an assessment of the roads and decided that its so bad that ships would be the fastest way to get all those troops, supplies and things in that everyone is begging for. I can't think of any other reason they'd be sending all those ships down there like that. Half the flottila are supply ships an you can bet they ain't carrying marbles folks. It'll be interesting to see what happens and I wouldn't be at all supprised if we wake up to see a small fleet off of New Orleans in the morning.

That's some of why things are taking so much time. I hope that helps ease the frustration at least a little bit. I know it doesn't make it go away, I'm frustrated too. All we can do is what we can do... and the sad news is, sometimes its not going to be enough.

I'm also sure a lot of lesson will come out of this and there will be changes in how things are handled. What those will be I could only guess at... it goes back to that tough job of who's going to be the guy who has to second guess the next disaster an how to be ready for it. If you get it right, you're a hero, if you get wrong you're crucified... but the truth is its just human beings just like any of us doing their jobs the best they can. An sometimes that just isn't enough.

One option might be to set up federal emergancy response teams spread out strategically over the nation. That would give you first responders that could get on site quickly no matter what the disaster. But it would cost a lot of money to do that an you have to get that into budgets somehow... that'll mean more taxes. I also imagine FEMA and other organizations will re-examine how they respond and try to be prepared to be more flexible and better able to put command and control in place in the future (one of the other things that has made this a mess has been the lack of communications, and without that you can't have command or control of the situation). These people aren't stupid, they do try their best, but like any of us they get caught by surprise too.

One more thing to remember... this hurricane really was one of those "storms of the century"... it was way bigger than I think most realize and even though it dropped to category 4 it was just so large. You had not just one state hit... it hit three simulataneously and with enough energy to do so much devastation. One person said it looked a lot like the aftermath of the tsunami that hit Thailand, and I tend to agree. They had the same problem there... a large area effected and just not enough manpower to cover it all. Could we do better in the future, sure an I imagine we will. People will learn from this. But for now, the focus is in what we can do for those who need the help right now. And for most of us, a donation is about all you can do.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 1:37:21 AM)

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When the FEMA director said that they are operating in conditions of "urban warfare," his message was that they are all a bunch of uncivilized half-breeds, and if they die, it's their own fault for not cooperating with the generous efforts to save them. When the director of the national emergency-relief agency has that kind of attitude, you can only expect chaos. It's been three full days. No wonder they're not cooperating.
I know what you mean.
What I'm hating are all the phucking jokes about looting (at my workplace), and wanting to ask the jokers, wouldn't you lose your mind if you were there? What would any of us do in such desperate circumstances. I'm not that afraid of death, but the way it's happening is so undignified.
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those people doing the relief work don't just need our donations, they need our faith and support. They're going through their own special kind of hell just trying to help all these people.

The friend I have who is down there working. He's living out of his truck. He doesn't get a bath either or hot meals. There are no motels to stay in. No electricity for him either other than the portable generator they have. They'll be living like that for weeks, you don't do that folks if you don't care and care a whole lot!
Thanks Padriag for trying.. M




UtopianRanger -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 2:16:35 AM)

Lam....

You are preaching to the choir. I would welcomely join you in bombarding this forum with countless examples of the lack of diligence when it comes to infrastructure preparedness, but I'm a little concerned about the timing right now.

As you have presented a few examples, here's another : Most Americans have no idea that the American tax payer will almost single-handedly foot the bill to a tune of 400k a piece, to compensate the Israeli settlers for relocating out of the Gaza strip. However, I'd bet anything that our own citizens who have been ravaged by the hurricane, won't even realize a quarter of that same compensation.




- The Ranger





Padriag -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 4:00:55 AM)

I don't know that its racism. I was listening to the Mayor of New Orleans (who is black himself btw), and he seems to think that the people responsible for the violence are drug addicts and gang members. That meshes with what I've heard some others, including evacuee's, describing. Most of the people are cooperative and just want a bus ride out of there and something to eat. So its not that these people aren't cooperating, most are. Its a violent minority that is causing the trouble for everyone else.

As for why you see so many black folks, umm... its New Orleans, it IS mostly black folks. White folks are the minority down there. That ain't racism folks, that's just plain old demographics.




lovingmaster45 -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 4:24:44 AM)

As this situation develops there a few facts which will come to the surface;
1. Our troops are spread very thin. Duh
2. The Corps of Engineers has been pointing out the problems with the levee system for years and this adminsitration has not only not increased funds to fix the system; they have cut funds and fired REPUBLICAN appointees who have disagreed with them
3. The National Guard is made up of citizens. It takes time to mobilize them.
4. "A country boy can survive". Almost all of the horror stories are about urban dwellers who do not have a clue of how to live with out electricity and all that it brings us.
5. Money talks. My buddy was at the Hyatt in NO. There was a party through the night; but the morning and the levee break sobered everyone up. He simply went to the roof and set his antenna to his laptop and ordered a helicopter. He is now in Miami; relaxing on the beach.
6. Give your money to the Salvation Army if you want it to actually reach the people. (This advice from an atheist)
7. It can happen in your community...I live on an island off the NC coast and the worst thing about hurricane Floyd to us was the thieves who were in the national guard wh sotle things...go figure.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 6:42:39 AM)

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5. Money talks. My buddy was at the Hyatt in NO. There was a party through the night; but the morning and the levee break sobered everyone up. He simply went to the roof and set his antenna to his laptop and ordered a helicopter. He is now in Miami; relaxing on the beach.
Yes, we know. If there were 10 people like him stuck in New Orleans (without his laptop) among the poor, those people would all be out of there by now. M




onceburned -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 7:08:27 AM)

The thing is - the federal government knew that the poor had no way to evacuate New Orleans. FEMA plans acknowledged that they would take the brunt of hurricane and its aftermath.

But no plans to evacuate the poor was ever devised. So when 80% of the city left before the storm, the 20% who stayed behind were mainly those who had no way to get out.

Here is an excerpt from a July 24th article in the New Orleans Times-Picayune (quoted in the Atlanta Journal-Consitution):

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"City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give the poorest of New Orleans' poor a historically blunt message: In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own."

"In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation."


That article appeared more than a month before the hurricane.




pollux -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 9:27:55 AM)

Pad, that's a really good post. Thanks for that.

We had 3 hurricanes blow thru here last year in the space of 8 weeks, and that's just a taste of what just obliterated the Gulf Coast. I saw first hand how frustratingly slowly everything starts turning. In Orlando we lost nearly 100,000 mature oak trees when Charley came thru. For 2 days nothing happened except tree removal because no one could get anywhere until all the roadways were cleared. Then the power company had to do an assessment to figure out what the hell had happened. They had to figure which lines were down where, which ones were still live, etc. so the repair people (and the neighbors) wouldn't get fried when they turned the power back on. That took another 2 days. It was day 5 before we started getting power back in any significant amount.

And we didn't have 0.1% of the problems that the Gulf is dealing with.

I know this is Monday morning qb'ing, but I don't understand why there wasn't an off the shelf plan to deal with this more effectively. This scenario was well-known to emergency planners. And I'm puzzled why we're not seeing a massive airdrop of supplies. Obviously you can't reach the survivors by road, and ships take days to get into place. The hospital ship won't be there for a week. Why don't they parachute food & water into these people, along with some paratroops & air support to provide security and help with distribution?




Lordandmaster -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 1:30:08 PM)

Oh, come on. Have you read this article? The mayor is pissed off at the federal response too.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html

I don't know whether it's OVERT racism, or just the passive sort of "let the black folk fend for themselves" kind of racism. But in effect it's racist, and I'm ashamed of my country. Really, this is a new low. My confidence in the federal government right now is approaching nil.

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

I don't know that its racism. I was listening to the Mayor of New Orleans (who is black himself btw), and he seems to think that the people responsible for the violence are drug addicts and gang members. That meshes with what I've heard some others, including evacuee's, describing.





GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 2:55:30 PM)

I don't feel it is racism at all. I just don't think that way. I agree with Padraig that it is pure demographics. And I am not ashamed of My country.
Perhaps we all place too much on the Federal government. Maybe that is part of the problem. We all immediately turn to the government to fix everything.
Yes, I'm sure things could have been done better. But I think that, considering the circumstances, things have gone very well. As to looting...I guarantee you that if I was caught, especailly with children, I would be in a store for food, possibly clothing or a pair of shoes...but I would not be grabbing electronics and weapons (including the ammo). I don't feel that trying to get some jiuce, or a dry T-shirt to be looting. Maybe I'm wrong about that one.
I don't disagree that perhaps food and water could have been dropped. But the manpower to keep order and distribute it? Doctors had to leave the Superdome because their lives were in danger. Lack of ability to communicate and organize is a huge problem. 20-20 hindsight is great. Everybody has it. It's not a good idea to be hard on everyone who is trying so hard to work under almost impossible conditions. The next time, in your neighborhood, people may not be so quick to jump in. Why should they if all that they get in return is a beating or a bullet?
Break it down into hours. And remember that the levee breaks did not occur until Tuesday morning., Yet on Tuesday afternoon I was already watching the Coast Guard lifting people off of rooftops.
And I am appalled at the rapes and murders. That isn't survival. That is taking violent advantage.
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. It's unfortunate that the bad (even though there is less of that) so overshadows the good.
It makes Me cry. All I can do is write a check.

*To the Ranger: I knew that "quarterbacking" saying was wrong. I guess I said Monday night. *W*




Lordandmaster -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 4:19:30 PM)

Even the President is no longer pretending that "things have gone very well."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050902/ap_on_go_pr_wh/katrina_bush

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

But I think that, considering the circumstances, things have gone very well.


Edited to add: This comment bothered me too.

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Perhaps we all place too much on the Federal government. Maybe that is part of the problem. We all immediately turn to the government to fix everything.


I agree that to rebuild the city, recreate communities and neighborhoods, and have a better plan in place for the next disaster, people will have to do a lot for themselves and not just rely on the government. But the things that had to be done this week--rescuing victims; providing food, water, shelter, and sanitation; controlling looters; and so on--could ONLY have been handled by the federal government. The government's response during these precious days was absolutely critical to the final death toll. And the government's failure has been just sickening to me. All these starched-collar bureaucrats patting themselves on the back and trying to explain in patronizing tones that the situation is more difficult than people imagine. Fuck that. We KNOW the situation is bad. That's why we have FEMA in the first place.




kisshou -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 4:35:11 PM)

I would have to say that lovingmaster45 hit the nail on the head with his reply. In cases like this it is all about the benjamins. I also hope people heed his advice regarding the salvation army.
We survived two direct hurricane hits last year and went a few weeks without power, running waters and toilets that backed up.
The big problem is them not having staging areas close enough to deploy food and water quickly. We learned that with the first hurricane last year and corrected the problem.
With the next decade forecasting unprecedented storm activity , I do not understand why I have heard reports that they are going to 'bail out' New Orleans and then rebuild.
I could start a pages long thread on water management and the army corps of engineers (Lake Okeechobee). I really have to wonder what the long term plan will be.
My prayers and as much money as can be spared is goes out to the people devastated by this tragedy and to their family members.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 5:29:32 PM)

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But the things that had to be done this week--rescuing victims; providing food, water, shelter, and sanitation; controlling looters; and so on--could ONLY have been handled by the federal government. The government's response during these precious days was absolutely critical to the final death toll. And the government's failure has been just sickening to me. All these starched-collar bureaucrats patting themselves on the back and trying to explain in patronizing tones that the situation is more difficult than people imagine. Fuck that. We KNOW the situation is bad. That's why we have FEMA in the first place.
I share your frustration and outrage, but dwelling on that right now doesn't help anyone, and for me, it's depressing beyond what my psyche can handle without drugs...
So, how can it be better in the future for the victims/easily victimized (because of vulnerable social status)? A couple of people have mentioned it's all about the benjamins; I want to say duh! That is why equality of opportunities, and a hand to those in need within our country, would be a much more Godly act (in my view), than say to Israel (a very wealthy country). What do I know though? After all, the playing fields are level, and fuck anyone who can't fend for himself. M




LadyAngelika -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 9:15:00 PM)

You all need not worry, the Canadians are on their way to the rescue ;-)

- LA




anopheles -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/2/2005 9:51:43 PM)

I hate to post this way because it's not really my style, but i'm a bit frustrated.

We can put a $1 billion B-2 bomber loaded with weapons over any target on the planet in a day or less, and we can send our sons and daughters to die in the desert on little notice, but it takes us days to get some trucks of food to people trapped in a flood on our own soil? We can spend hundreds of million to send some flying bucket of bolts to the space station, but we can let people live on highway overpasses in the heat and beg for help.

Yet and still, we're supposed to be the greatest nation on the planet with the greatest military, and we clearly have money to just burn.

Tell that to the folks in Mississippi.
Tell it to the folks holed up in the Superdome, or the Astrodome, and maybe i'll ask someone that when i'm helping the people that are coming to Austin.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/3/2005 1:02:24 AM)

Yup. And even with all the fanfare today, conditions at the Superdome are STILL atrocious and unlikely to improve until Sunday:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_superdome_hk1




Lordandmaster -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/3/2005 1:17:07 AM)

Will you be bringing Canadian bacon, eh?

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

You all need not worry, the Canadians are on their way to the rescue ;-)





Padriag -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/3/2005 5:54:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Oh, come on. Have you read this article? The mayor is pissed off at the federal response too.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html

I don't know whether it's OVERT racism, or just the passive sort of "let the black folk fend for themselves" kind of racism. But in effect it's racist, and I'm ashamed of my country. Really, this is a new low. My confidence in the federal government right now is approaching nil.

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

I don't know that its racism. I was listening to the Mayor of New Orleans (who is black himself btw), and he seems to think that the people responsible for the violence are drug addicts and gang members. That meshes with what I've heard some others, including evacuee's, describing.



I still don't see where you're getting the racism from, unless you just want to see it. And the more I learn about the situation and how this developed and spun out of control the less I am prepared to even consider that.

Fact, as of last night the superdome had been evacuated of all the people who had already been there. The 2,000 that are there now are people that have been brought in since from continuing rescue operations. So much for the report things won't improve til Sunday.

Fact, a relief convoy and security forces arrived at the River Convention Center which has been talked about so much. They did attempt to try an start moving people out by helicopter but by the time they could get the supplies unloaded, people fed and immediate needs taken care of, there wasn't enough time before sunset and the helicopters cannot safely land in the city at night (its dangerous trying to land around buildings in the dark). They will begin bussing those people out at 9 AM today (Saturday). Geraldo Riverra was claiming... in front of a very quiet crowd, that they were about to riot. Personally I think that moron was hoping they would riot just so he'd have something to get his face on TV with. The best thing Fox News can do is take that mic and shove it up his ass, cause the shit coming out his ass will make more sense than the shit coming out of his mouth. Those people never rioted, when relief came they stayed calm, did what they were told and a lot of them just looked relieved.

Fact, none of the people rioted. There have been isolated incidents of violence, but the vast majority of these people have been peaceful. Frustrated and angry yes, but peaceful. Its been the violent actions of a few that have caused a lot to suffer from delays in rescue operations. As I said, I think some of these reporters were actually hoping for a riot... just for the news.

Fact, its been reported that as much as 60% of New Orleans police force is AWOL... a mostly black police force. Gee, no wonder they were losing control. And where was their fine mayor during all this, hiding in a hotel. So much for local leadership. If anyone was leaving "the black to fend for themselves" it was the local government which is overwhelmingly black... explain to me how that is racism?

Fact, that same mayor stopped the loading of several busses yesterday so that 400 people he selected, including friends, staff and some tourist could be loaded and taken out AHEAD of all those people who had been stuck at the superdome for days!!! This is the same loud mouth calling Bush a coward because he wasn't in New Orleans sooner... the same mayor who hasn't been seen on those streets himself.

I've never said things have gone perfect... its chaos down there and things most definitely have gone way wrong. But if you want to start pointing fingers and laying blame, you damn well better get your facts straight. Where was the city government of New Orleans when that city needed them? Abandoning ship apparently. The night before the hurricane hit, people were partying in bars instead of obeying an evacuation order... where was the city government then? Why weren't those bars shut down and these people told they had to leave? If you want to look for a failure in leadership, start right there with that loud mouth mayor and make the governor of Louisianna your next stop. If Mark Brown, the regional FEMA director is doing such a lousy job, explain why Alabama is saying they've gotten everything they've asked for from FEMA. Maybe the reason FEMA hasn't organized more aid for New Orleans is because the incompetent local government hasn't asked for it. FEMA does not come in and take over... they work with local government to organize and bring in aid where needed. If you don't ask them for help, they assume you don't need it. Why hasn't that airheaded bitch they have for a governor asked for more help? Its her state, her people, why isn't she on top of things and letting FEMA know what the problems are and what they need. Alabama has its shit together, Mississippi has its shit together... so explain to me why this idiot mayor and idiot governor can't get their shit together.

Yeah I'm frustrated too. Yeah I've tried to focus on just helping people. But before I go pointing fingers, I've tried to understand what has happened and is happening and who was actually responsibile. I am fucking sick of talking heads like Al Sharpton... who is nothing but a vulture... crying racism, people blaming FEMA, blaming the federal government... but without ever having taken the time to find out what the hell really happened. Here's another fact for you. Did you folks know that BEFORE the storm hit busses were provided by the state of LA DOT to evacuate those too poor to get out and take them to shelters? Did you know most of those people refused to get on those busses. I just found that out this morning. My sympathy level for the people trapped in New Orleans just dropped a helluva lot. A lot of those people who are having to be rescued didn't have to be there... even the poor people... they had a way out, they just didn't take it. But I'm still in favor of giving money and sending help... that's the humane thing to do. They may be idiots... but they are fellow Americans an that makes them our idiots... we take care of our own... even the dumb ones.

BTW, while much credit goes to Texas for all they are doing, let me point out that Alabama is turning out to be an unsung hero in all this. Despite the damage that state has suffered and the problems they face they have still managed to take in thousands of people from Mississippi and Louisianna and give them shelter. Here's a state that has been hit hard and yet they have their act so together they can still offer help to their neighbors. The next time you hear Alabama referred to as the Great State of Alabama... I say believe it. Their governor ought to get a medal for all he's done to help so many people.

Here's another fact... don't laugh at the Canadians. Prior to 9/11 they were and for a long time had been the only country in the WORLD who had ever sent aid to the US after a disaster here. They've been good neighbors and still are, try saying thank you to them for that sometime, they've earned it.

One more fact... yes the Bush administration cut funding to the Army Corp of Engineers which maintains the levee's in New Orleans. People screamed about the military budget, so it got cut... gee... big surprise there. Here's what I want to know... its New Orleans levee's... why is the federal government paying for that in the first place. It was damn stupid idea to build part of a city below sea level in the first place. This is a huge country, we aren't Holland, its not like we actually need to recover land from the sea to have room to live... so who's brilliant fuck up was this in the first place. I've never gotten to go to Mardi Gras... and I was hoping to go this year (so much for that...). If my tax dollars have been helping pay for those stupid levee's all these years... where's my beads dammit, I want something out of it. It was levee's for the city of New Orleans... they ought to have paid for it an been responsible for it. If they can't afford it, here's a clue... don't friggin build what you can't take care of.

Yeah I'm pissed off... anyone else still want to accuse me of being a bleeding heart?




LadyAngelika -> RE: Military response to National Emergency (9/3/2005 7:10:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Will you be bringing Canadian bacon, eh?

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

You all need not worry, the Canadians are on their way to the rescue ;-)




Well it's just our little way of showing that we care, and that we want to help. In general, we are better with Ice Storms but we'll give this our best shot.

I can only imagine how hard it can be for Katrina victims. My heart goes out to them all.

- LA




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