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CelticPrince -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 2:31:50 PM)

BH,

So at core you believe that being "human" property is a accepted cognzant state of mind?

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 2:34:19 PM)

Rabbit,

That is one of the few observations that I might agree with SM.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 2:37:30 PM)

DiVamp.

So for you it is a accepted state of mind that does not truely infringe on the physical property concept?

CP




MadRabbit -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 2:39:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

For me, I consider both my boys property becasue that is how they like being considered. Angel enjoys the feeling of being owned, but the label of his being property means nothing to either of us as far as how he is to be treated. The same with Fox. Fox considers himself property, and is as extension of me. It hasnt changed how he s treated or viewed, but the feel of being owned and claimed excites him and makes him feel whole.



Same here. I tend to stress the Ownership aspects in my dymanic, because that is where the psycho-head trip is for me.




porcelain26 -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 2:44:14 PM)

LordandMaster,

that's a good question and one i'm not sure i can answer intelligently. i guess...submissives have a choice in who they submit to, how they submit, when, where, why, etc...slaves have a choice in who they belong to and how far they'll let their limits be pushed...and property is just that. Property - an extension of the One that owns them. Cared for absolutely, cherished and valued without question....but still, something their Master/Mistress owns, to be used as seen fit. Again, many will argue that this means the subject in question is mindless in some way or will obey without question, comment or concern, but that's again where trust comes into play. I was property to my first Master (He'd taken 3 1/2 years to build up the trust needed for that relationship however), i did whatever He told me, whenever He told me, however He told me and no, i didn't question Him, simply because i knew Him and trusted Him enough to know He was never going to do anything to damage me...afterall, you can't play with a broken toy very well. But i also knew that while i was property and He loved me like you love your favorite shirt, i could always tell Him my thoughts, fears, concerns and desires and He would always hear them (what He did or didn't do about them was another subject altogether). i wasn't an object like a chair or a car without a mind of my own...but i trusted my Master to do what was best for me, and to use me to please Himself.

again, i don't know if that answered your question or not.




breatheasone -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 3:24:46 PM)

I know I am owned mind and body. (my soul is already spoken for) Would I be so owned by anyone else but my Master?....thats hard to say...but i doubt it...I belong TO HIM.....whether it fashionable or not I don't know, but it is what it is. 




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 3:25:32 PM)

Well, never having been property..and not being of a Dominant mindset..my definition of property would be ..owned by X..purchased for the purpose of Y..level and maintenance up to the owner...getting property insured ,again up to the owner and all warranties expire within a year unless warranty extension purchased..I am not sure if I find the concept of being property appealing, usually owning property is based upon more of an economic, or money basis then anything else...Tempting




collaredncontent -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 3:48:05 PM)

I'm not sure I'm up to 'property' level just yet. I feel a bit too independent to allow myself to be owned in that context. I am my Master's pet, but just like you own a cat it doesn't mean it will always do what you say. There's always that small level of aloofness from cats that I can relate to. I'm affectionate with my Master, of course, and I seek to please him and make him happy with what I do, but I'm not like a dog, I don't do tricks on command very well. Not to say that other submissives are dogs, not at all. I still have that small part of me I want to keep as my own, and to me to be 'property' means I have to give that last shred of independence up and I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet. I am Jack's and I am no one elses, that is first and foremost to me. I do as he commands me to on every issue, though there are times when I balk or disagree. Hey, ever try giving your cat a bath? In the end the cat gets cleaned one way or another but it's a mess of fur and claws on the way there. I don't quite feel like property and Jack has yet to show an interest in using the term.

-Brian.




Sirsinini -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 3:57:31 PM)


Let me begin my addition to this thread, by admitting 3 things ~~

1. While I was with a dom who didnt call me property, I felt (from about the 5th month on in our "relationship") much like your response to Lashra CP ~~ "can you further question that sub as to her feelings if she were set aside like an old car, there but no attention paid!" ~~ something used, abused,and then paid no attention to.
He called me slave. I felt imprisioned and nearly died in that shame.

2. I did not want a man who would capture my mind and then my body only to be put in the same position.  So as your profile indicates CP, I took much longer healing, which consisted of screaming my bitter misery, denying my pain and the truth, until finally I took my place in the course of things and found myself.  (Much thanks to my sister and therapist.)
I took my time getting to know him, as I seemed to have a tendency to drop into situations.  If I were to be in relationship again.... I wanted and needed a man
who could find characteristics in me and I in him ~~~~~~~~~~~~

Characteristic = A feature that helps to identify, tell apart, or describe recognizably; a distinguishing mark or trait. (Elaboration would greatly lengthen this post!)
Property =
1. a. Something owned; a possession.
b. A piece of real estate: NOT!!
c. Something tangible or intangible to which its owner has legal title: NOT !! but maybe eventually
d. Possessions considered as a group. NOT !! No poly or swinging as I knew it.
2. The right of ownership; title.
3. An article, except costumes and scenery, that appears on the stage or on screen during a dramatic performance. NOT !! My life is not a play/drama or theater
4. a. A characteristic trait or peculiarity, especially one serving to define or describe its possessor. Submissive
b. A characteristic attribute possessed by all members of a class. See Synonyms at quality.
5. A special capability or power; a virtue

Qualities =
1. a. An inherent or distinguishing characteristic; a property.
b. A personal trait, especially a character trait: submissive
2. Essential character; nature: He finds many in me that please him.
3. a. Superiority of kind: an intellect of unquestioned quality.
b. Degree or grade of excellence: He tells me I am an excellent submissive
4. a. High social position.  not !  lol
b. Those in a high social position  I am high in his social agenda.

3. I had no need to identify myself as other subs/slaves need to or to be given a name that I felt did not equal who I know I am. 

Sir and I have both struggled in the relationships arena, and if I were to say that being his has been a bowl of black raspberry custard, I would be knowlingly lying.
That being said, I dont give a flying leep if people question me if I have "a high level of conscienceness or is it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?"  Fashionable is not what I, nor my Sir is about. I will admit to a higher level of concienceness about who and what I am.

I am Sirs devoted property.  I am wanted and fully aware that I am his ONLY want.
He desires me and only me to satisfy his needs.  I am his prized precious possession, words I have been assured of more than I ever was before. I am his submissive. When reading blogs of others, I seem to fall into their category of "slave", but I am his property. Nothing more nothing less.

When his cat gets cold and lonely without him, he could care less. He cares of those needs in me. When his sofa gets damaged, it is not his couch that worries him, it is me. When his oak table shines to a wonderful gleen, he doesnt find it nearly as supurb as myself.

I do as he requests, whether it be to rest, go home from work before the snow slows me down, bend over or wait for his bidding for my desire to swallow his cock, his control/my submission are the elements that make us D/s.

He knows his property so well that he could not use me to entertain his friends with their shabby use of me.  We are exhibitonists and to that end we have some private fun.  Others have requested use of me, they have not met his requirements.
There are requests I am allowed to make and he weighs them heavily for periods of time, I am submissive to his control.

The owner and the property are both loyal, committed, open with each other, honest, mindful, trustworthy, faithful and unlike any man before, a promise does not escape his lips if there is chance for take back.

I am his secluded "cabin" property to which he finds his rest, satisfaction and enjoyment.  He is my owner, who knows where his property is at all times and knows that the door to his property is open to only himself.

He is a serious owner, mindful of how he keeps his property. I am his devoted property who takes the control of her owner seriously.
When responding to any public message, I am Sir's _____ property.  I am allowed to use the adjective


Sir's totally devoted  proudly owned property 




amayos -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 4:19:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince
I am seeing more and more descriptions by submissives that describe themselves as property of_____. Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or it it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?



I am quite certain it is the latter. People throw around self descriptors like "property of" and "slave to" with equal aplomb in the BDSM circle. Humans who have become property by way of fully conscious consent (and know what it really means) are rare. I suspect there is a very small fraction of the membership in this little underworld that is talking straight when such things are claimed. Most are dark romantics with a vivid imagination and a propensity toward ambitious self deception.




salilus -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 4:22:35 PM)

I really am property; I am his possession. He owns anything on, in, or of me.

There are always fads and there will always be fads. I can honestly say I hadn't noticed the term 'property' being a fad.




CelticPrince -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 4:26:36 PM)

Tempting,

Thanks for the analysis and chuckle!

CP




slavemaia -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 4:28:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Have you ever pondered the serious nature of being 'property" Every time that I have the time to sign on I always take the time to read the first profile that comes up on the list; thus this post!

I am seeing more and more descriptions by submissives that describe themselves as property of_____. Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or it it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?

CP


Property, slave, sub, whatever - doesn't matter what Master wants to call me - as long as He calls me. hee hee




CelticPrince -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 4:28:36 PM)

brian,

Many thanks for your input.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 4:33:56 PM)

Sirsinini,

*love to know the background on that nick!

*hands the sinini the Crown frof the most complete analysis and tyhought provoking reply I have read in years.

Thanks for your input and I hope others that the time to read it.

Good fortune

CP




IrishMist -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 4:35:45 PM)

quote:

Have you ever pondered the serious nature of being 'property

Never had to 'ponder' it. Lived it, felt it, accepted it.
quote:

Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or it it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property? 


I could not answer for anyone else; only for myself. And while property is never how I described myself; it is how I was treated by and introduced to others that my late husband knew. Of course, what I would consider to be property most often does not coincide with how others view it.

He never, with the exception of once ( when we got married ), used my name. He never introduced me to another by my name. There was no 'cuddling', no 'snuggling', no spontaneous kisses, no gifts on birthdays or holidays, no special dinners just for the hell of it....he treated me as something that he owned...a piece of property that he cared for well, but that was just another piece of property that he happened to own. The only difference being that this piece of property was breathing




CelticPrince -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 4:35:56 PM)

amayos,

Let me say this! I fully agree. Thanks for your input.

CP




CelticPrince -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 4:38:05 PM)

salilus,

I truely hope DrDark appreciates and cares for his possessions.

CP




salilus -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 4:39:55 PM)

He certainly does and I'm lucky he found me and blessed to belong to him :)




ownedgirlie -> RE: The Characteristics of being "property" (1/27/2008 4:52:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Have you ever pondered the serious nature of being 'property" Every time that I have the time to sign on I always take the time to read the first profile that comes up on the list; thus this post!

I am seeing more and more descriptions by submissives that describe themselves as property of_____. Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or it it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?

CP


It is my opinion that to be one's property is to be completely owned.  If one retains ownership of parts of oneself, ownership is not 100%.  It is my opinion that human property is a physical, mental and emotional state (while it can not be a legal state), and that the owner of said property has access to keep that property as he/she sees fit.  In my case, to be property means I do not make rules for myself; my owner decides all the rules.

It took a lot of energy, effort and time to reach such a state of ownership.  While on that path, it was my goal to reach such a state.  Simply because it was not reached did not mean it was an exercise in being fashionable.  While this may be the case for some, I do not believe it is the case for all.

I think it is easy to judge each other based on ultimate outcomes.  In other words, one may be working toward a goal.  This does not necessarily mean that while on the path to their goal, they are "fake", "wannabes", nincumpoops" or any other criticism. 




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