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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:08:05 PM

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Have you ever pondered the serious nature of being 'property" Every time that I have the time to sign on I always take the time to read the first profile that comes up on the list; thus this post!

I am seeing more and more descriptions by submissives that describe themselves as property of_____. Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or it it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?

CP

It is my opinion that to be one's property is to be completely owned. If one retains ownership of parts of oneself, ownership is not 100%. It is my opinion that human property is a physical, mental and emotional state (while it can not be a legal state), and that the owner of said property has access to keep that property as he/she sees fit. In my case, to be property means I do not make rules for myself; my owner decides all the rules.

It took a lot of energy, effort and time to reach such a state of ownership. While on that path, it was my goal to reach such a state. Simply because it was not reached did not mean it was an exercise in being fashionable. While this may be the case for some, I do not believe it is the case for all.

I think it is easy to judge each other based on ultimate outcomes. In other words, one may be working toward a goal. This does not necessarily mean that while on the path to their goal, they are "fake", "wannabes", nincumpoops" or any other criticism.

I tend to agree. People put things like "24/7" "live-in" "full time" "total power exchange" on a pedestal and cast an eye downwards towards "24/3" "long distance" "part time" and "partial power exchange".

Well...hey....Rome wasn't built in a day.

Not to mention that since all this stuff is primarily psychological, it's arrogant to attempt to decide who is and who is not "playing" at it as an outsider.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:10:08 PM

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Have mercy on my soul, I agree with the bunny...

For me, describing property is to describe something that has no free will whatsoever, I can claim ownership over a dog or cat, but if I beat them, abuse them enough they can run away, but I can treat the car I own the title to like total garbage and the worst that can happen is that it will fail to function (usually when its the least convenient)

So when we describe a submissive as a "slave" we are referring to someone who's entire being is dedicated to the service of their owner, but willingly. While a slave is property if you explore the true meaning of the word, slaves used to occasionally run off, risking their lives rather than stay with their owner. So property when used to describe a submissive would, at least for me, indicate a level of submission beyond slave. An object that only exists for it's master's or mistress' pleasure and whim. As a result would have no rights or priviledges beyond servitude.

Do I believe that such people exist, yes. But I do not believe they are as common as internet fantasies would indicate... as the bunny says, they would have to be prepared to sacrifice themselves at the most trivial whim, even so trivial as their owner wanting to check the sharpness of a blade.... of course, most owners of such a commodity would probably not sacrifice such a valued item as a living breathing human being totally commited to their pleasure, that they can use at their discretion. Golden goose and what not. That level of trust I do believe to be attainable, and enviable.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:10:35 PM

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it depends on the relationship in which "property" is defined to those involved.

Daddy calls me His property time to time because indeed i'm owned but cherished, taken care of, loved etc as well. in a sense i do feel owned when i wear His collars and chains and it's a wonderful feeling to have.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:15:30 PM

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as the bunny says, they would have to be prepared to sacrifice themselves at the most trivial whim,

Except that I wasn't being serious in the least or even trying to suggest that this is something to be taken serious.

My point was that trying to determine who is "playing" and who is "real" is futile since if we take it to the most extreme scenario, nobody is going to qualify.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:25:22 PM

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as the bunny says, they would have to be prepared to sacrifice themselves at the most trivial whim,

Except that I wasn't being serious in the least or even trying to suggest that this is something to be taken serious.

My point was that trying to determine who is "playing" and who is "real" is futile since if we take it to the most extreme scenario, nobody is going to qualify.

While I realize you were being jocular, your point was valid, and never ever underestimate the lengths that folk can go... fortunately, such extremes are particularly seldom.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:28:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: Redoubt

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as the bunny says, they would have to be prepared to sacrifice themselves at the most trivial whim,

Except that I wasn't being serious in the least or even trying to suggest that this is something to be taken serious.

My point was that trying to determine who is "playing" and who is "real" is futile since if we take it to the most extreme scenario, nobody is going to qualify.

While I realize you were being jocular, your point was valid, and never ever underestimate the lengths that folk can go... fortunately, such extremes are particularly seldom.

While I will agree that it is possible (anything is possible) that someone will give up their kidney for their Master's dinner, it will take quite a lot for me to consider it as plausible.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:28:52 PM

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While I will agree that it is possible (anything is possible) that someone will give up their kidney for their Master's dinner, it will take quite a lot for me to consider it as plausible.

Well I do have two, after all.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:29:58 PM

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While I will agree that it is possible (anything is possible) that someone will give up their kidney for their Master's dinner, it will take quite a lot for me to consider it as plausible.

Well I do have two, after all.

If we're going to go down this road of overblown Internet insanity, then I am out of the discussion

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:42:30 PM

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Eventualy even if they dont recognise Mere men become become then property of their wives or be expelled or divorced and alone in life till another woman uses them for her benifit and pleasure.Much more when commited to a life serving a submisive wife or Mistress

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:44:21 PM

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Could I have the English version of that please? I'm so confused.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:44:23 PM

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i think it that every sub wants to become property, but it takes the right chemistry and being comfortable to adapt to the environment that there new life will take place. How many times we move houses and we feel that we don't like the area we live in and need to move, or the house isn't what we looking for. Of course there's always the prospect of the value of it to be too high and not be able to afford it, or the rent. Same is with a car, some maybe too high maintenance costs and we just cant afford it. Same works with the D/s relationships. Some cant work cause the requirements and standards are not up to reach. The sub has to be able to deliver the goods, and the D to be able to create that environment for the submissive to feel able to sustain and work to progress

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 5:59:07 PM

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Perhaps "being owned" is a very personal, and subjective thing for folks. I know I am owned. Master has made this very clear. (I hope this isn't misinterpreted) Master has told me I am His. Owned lock, stock, and barrel. He says I no longer have the freedom to desolve that. We have an understanding about who I am to Him, and He to me.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 6:02:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Have you ever pondered the serious nature of being 'property" Every time that I have the time to sign on I always take the time to read the first profile that comes up on the list; thus this post!

I am seeing more and more descriptions by submissives that describe themselves as property of_____. Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or it it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?

CP

Some people may have a more romanticized view of what being "property" means, while others may have a more hard-core view, and still others may fall somewhere in between. Who's right?

I think people should self-identify within their relationships in whatever way works for them and makes them feel good about themselves and the relationship, regardless of whether or not it matches up to my definition, or someone else's definition etc.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 6:36:20 PM

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I am seeing more and more descriptions by submissives that describe themselves as property of_____. Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or it it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?

I am quite certain it is the latter. People throw around self descriptors like "property of" and "slave to" with equal aplomb in the BDSM circle. Humans who have become property by way of fully conscious consent (and know what it really means) are rare. I suspect there is a very small fraction of the membership in this little underworld that is talking straight when such things are claimed. Most are dark romantics with a vivid imagination and a propensity toward ambitious self deception.

Bravo. I am glad someone said it.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 6:41:52 PM

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I am seeing more and more descriptions by submissives that describe themselves as property of_____. Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or it it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?

I think it is possible that in trying to prove their 'twueness' as a submissive a newbie just setting out could easily fall into the trap of feeling that being 'owned' and 'property' is the height of submissiveness. That other levels just don't quite measure up to being owned. I suppose someone who is not new to the scene could hold that opinion also. It was through a lot of thinking, reading and studying that I've come to realize where I feel most comfortable as a submissive (and am still doing a lot of thinking, reading and studying and now talking with Master, also!). And it sure as hell didn't have anything to do with what others thought a 'twue submissive/slave' is.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 6:43:39 PM

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Beautifully said Marie.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 6:53:51 PM

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Thanks!

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 6:57:31 PM

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So for you it is a accepted state of mind that does not truely infringe on the physical property concept?

CP

Not in the slightest. Fox is my property, always, no matter what his state of mind is. I am his owner first and foremost and I am everything else afterwards. Things are different with angel, our ownership/property definition is different, but still there

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 7:13:59 PM

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It can depend on how the Dom views property they may provide the basic necessities of care/ownership but it may not include love, nuturing , if it doesn't than it becomes a very tough role to fill. This was what my last Dom vision of property was, it was something he explained but more I had to figure out, and questioning him on things, I learned was a no-no. As I started figuring it out I realized it was not the idea of property I wanted to be.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/27/2008 8:10:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Have you ever pondered the serious nature of being 'property" Every time that I have the time to sign on I always take the time to read the first profile that comes up on the list; thus this post!

I am seeing more and more descriptions by submissives that describe themselves as property of_____. Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or it it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?

CP

It is my opinion that to be one's property is to be completely owned. If one retains ownership of parts of oneself, ownership is not 100%. It is my opinion that human property is a physical, mental and emotional state (while it can not be a legal state), and that the owner of said property has access to keep that property as he/she sees fit. In my case, to be property means I do not make rules for myself; my owner decides all the rules.

It took a lot of energy, effort and time to reach such a state of ownership. While on that path, it was my goal to reach such a state. Simply because it was not reached did not mean it was an exercise in being fashionable. While this may be the case for some, I do not believe it is the case for all.

I think it is easy to judge each other based on ultimate outcomes. In other words, one may be working toward a goal. This does not necessarily mean that while on the path to their goal, they are "fake", "wannabes", nincumpoops" or any other criticism.

I tend to agree. People put things like "24/7" "live-in" "full time" "total power exchange" on a pedestal and cast an eye downwards towards "24/3" "long distance" "part time" and "partial power exchange".

Well...hey....Rome wasn't built in a day.

Not to mention that since all this stuff is primarily psychological, it's arrogant to attempt to decide who is and who is not "playing" at it as an outsider.

to both owned and Mads replies..Tempting

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