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AquaticSub -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/29/2008 7:47:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OmegaG quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: OmegaG And the IUD is covered by many insurances, and you don't have to think about it on a daily basis, AND your period becomes lighter or non-existant. Though I still have cramps and other symptoms of my period every month. Really? That is wonderful. I've given some thought to using one but we will probably want to start our family sometime within the next five years. It can be removed, if I remember correctly and the effects reverse fairly quickly. Yup. According to my information, once the IUD is removed you are able to have a baby as soon as you hop off the table.

thornhappy -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/29/2008 5:18:42 PM)
So why not a diaphragm? I used one for decades with no problems (pills make my blood pressure go up and my brain swell; I have migraines to boot). It's less of a timing issue than condoms, and are less expensive to boot. (IUDs are almost always administered only for people that've had their ums already.) thornhappy quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty I had asked my gyn for the BC method least likely to cause weight gain and he said my pills were it- junel fe. But I want to try this instead- http://www.birth-control-comparison.info/capinfo.htm my gyn did not tell me about that and that for sure would not fuck up my body.

sexyred1 -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/29/2008 5:24:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty the last pill i took made me gain 10 lbs in about 10 days. i am really hoping that this one does not have the same effect. i don't know why, but if a pill has a side effect, i will feel it. i hate fucking my body up with pills. i am not allowed to gain weight. it's Master's body but if he gets a vastectomy, i'm out the door. i know i should please him by making my bare cunt available. it's still hard though. If you "know" you should make yourself available in this way, then do so. Choose to obey your master. If you believe his choices are putting your health at risk, risks you do not wish to take, then choose to disobey your master. The one thing every slave owns is her own choices. Choose...and own the choice. You know, I have been trying to resist, but I cannot take it anymore. Your pompous proclamations about what a slave should do or not do is just annoying. I feel sorry for anyone you are with if god forbid there was a choice between obeying YOU and their own health and safety. It seems to me, that your version of relationships is simply black and white while most of the world understands the fluid shades of grey.

fluffyswitch -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/29/2008 9:05:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty quote: Depending on how long you intend to wait to have kids, you can even have a temporary piece of plastic (VERY tiny so don't freak out) slipped inside you that simply prevents the eggs from doing their thing and will be pulled out when desired, making you instantly fertile again. what is this called? i'm sure that someone has already answered this for you...but it's an IUD. the nice thing about them too is that they're not a hormonal so it shouldn't affect your weight if that's your main concern, as well as having less of a chance of causing blood pressure or clotting issues. however they can make your periods heavier and give you more cramping, at least temporarily.

celticlord2112 -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/29/2008 9:16:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty the last pill i took made me gain 10 lbs in about 10 days. i am really hoping that this one does not have the same effect. i don't know why, but if a pill has a side effect, i will feel it. i hate fucking my body up with pills. i am not allowed to gain weight. it's Master's body but if he gets a vastectomy, i'm out the door. i know i should please him by making my bare cunt available. it's still hard though. If you "know" you should make yourself available in this way, then do so. Choose to obey your master. If you believe his choices are putting your health at risk, risks you do not wish to take, then choose to disobey your master. The one thing every slave owns is her own choices. Choose...and own the choice. You know, I have been trying to resist, but I cannot take it anymore. Your pompous proclamations about what a slave should do or not do is just annoying. I feel sorry for anyone you are with if god forbid there was a choice between obeying YOU and their own health and safety. It seems to me, that your version of relationships is simply black and white while most of the world understands the fluid shades of grey. And still the choice before her remains the same: obey, and take the pill. Disobey, and do not take the pill.

AquaticSub -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/29/2008 9:30:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch i'm sure that someone has already answered this for you...but it's an IUD. the nice thing about them too is that they're not a hormonal so it shouldn't affect your weight if that's your main concern, as well as having less of a chance of causing blood pressure or clotting issues. however they can make your periods heavier and give you more cramping, at least temporarily. Really? I could swear it said lighter but I could be misremembering. And I'm currently too lazy to grab the book. [:D]

fluffyswitch -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/29/2008 9:47:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch i'm sure that someone has already answered this for you...but it's an IUD. the nice thing about them too is that they're not a hormonal so it shouldn't affect your weight if that's your main concern, as well as having less of a chance of causing blood pressure or clotting issues. however they can make your periods heavier and give you more cramping, at least temporarily. Really? I could swear it said lighter but I could be misremembering. And I'm currently too lazy to grab the book. [:D] i'm pretty sure that it said heavier, at least initially, though i could be wrong. i'm looking at getting one myself as neither myself nor Sir have any interest in children and i can't take any hormonal whatsoever.

AquaticSub -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/29/2008 9:56:04 PM)
I really don't know off the top of my head. If I get the energy to go pick up the book I'll let you know what it says. [:)]

fluffyswitch -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/29/2008 10:02:41 PM)
okay just because i'm hypercaffinated and can't sleep... according to PP (which i realize not everyone likes but i at least personally tend to trust their information) one of the possible side effects is heavier flows depending on what type of IUD you actually use but that should clear up within six months or so... http://www.plannedparenthood.org/birth-control-pregnancy/birth-control/intrauterine-devices.htm

AquaticSub -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/29/2008 10:07:21 PM)
Good to know. And yay for people who aren't feeling lazy! [:)]

idontknowdou -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/30/2008 3:48:29 AM)
if u are going to take birth control i suggest the shot or the newest pill. i was on the shot for years and didnt gain any weight and my neice takes the newest and hasnt gained.

ladyeleanor -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/30/2008 7:28:40 AM)
This is such a personal issue, you have to make your own choices with this one. Although regarding the acceptable risk argument, I would just like to point out that the long term effects of the pill are not actually known fully yet and there is a difference between knowing a risk and accepting it and not knowing...but thats the problem with most meds. I use the Implanon implant, its just under the skin in my arm, it was recomended to me because my weight and blood pressure made the pill unsuitable and I have never looked back. Don't even get periods any more! (although that only happens to 25% of ppl who use it)

OmegaG -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/30/2008 8:01:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch i'm sure that someone has already answered this for you...but it's an IUD. the nice thing about them too is that they're not a hormonal so it shouldn't affect your weight if that's your main concern, as well as having less of a chance of causing blood pressure or clotting issues. however they can make your periods heavier and give you more cramping, at least temporarily. Mine were lighter at first and non-existant now. Really? I could swear it said lighter but I could be misremembering. And I'm currently too lazy to grab the book. [:D]

meticulousgirl -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/30/2008 8:10:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: takenbyjohnr07 Why are you with someone you feel will leave you if you gain weight? i dont recall her actually saying that He would leave her over gaining wait, she just doesn't want to displease Him by doing so. There is a big difference. It's like me, i cant take birth controll pills as they litterally make me suicidal and caused heavy cramping, the last i tried was the depo shot which completely illiminated my period (beautiful thing) but also made it easier for me to loose weight, i moved and havn't had the insurance to go to the doctor or get the meds since so as a result i havn't done the depo shot in almost two years, and the result, i've got a sex drive again which makes me not want to go get the shot again but, the downside is i'm back to heavy cramping at that time of the month, and i'm gaining back everything that i lost when i was on the depo and loosing weight.... there are downsides to everything, do your research but, dont take the information for granted, you know what's best for your own body, and a guy (unless He's experienced) like a pharmasist or gyno isn't going to know your reaction the way that you do. Dom or no Dom do what's best for you because it's your body and you have to live with the side effects from it.....even as a slave i have the right to choose in that situation because i know what's best for me in that sense and He knows that, understands that but, also takes the time to know me. ~meticulous~

OmegaG -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/30/2008 8:15:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty the last pill i took made me gain 10 lbs in about 10 days. i am really hoping that this one does not have the same effect. i don't know why, but if a pill has a side effect, i will feel it. i hate fucking my body up with pills. i am not allowed to gain weight. it's Master's body but if he gets a vastectomy, i'm out the door. i know i should please him by making my bare cunt available. it's still hard though. If you "know" you should make yourself available in this way, then do so. Choose to obey your master. If you believe his choices are putting your health at risk, risks you do not wish to take, then choose to disobey your master. The one thing every slave owns is her own choices. Choose...and own the choice. You know, I have been trying to resist, but I cannot take it anymore. Your pompous proclamations about what a slave should do or not do is just annoying. I feel sorry for anyone you are with if god forbid there was a choice between obeying YOU and their own health and safety. It seems to me, that your version of relationships is simply black and white while most of the world understands the fluid shades of grey. And still the choice before her remains the same: obey, and take the pill. Disobey, and do not take the pill. So are you the type of person that makes up his mind and closes it to any additional information that could be beneficial to making a better decision? Since it has not been established if this couple has talked about the forms of BC and the side effect nor has it been established that the Dom researched on his own, who is to say that he wouldn't welcome the oppurtunity to make an informed decision?

celticlord2112 -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/30/2008 1:44:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OmegaG quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty the last pill i took made me gain 10 lbs in about 10 days. i am really hoping that this one does not have the same effect. i don't know why, but if a pill has a side effect, i will feel it. i hate fucking my body up with pills. i am not allowed to gain weight. it's Master's body but if he gets a vastectomy, i'm out the door. i know i should please him by making my bare cunt available. it's still hard though. If you "know" you should make yourself available in this way, then do so. Choose to obey your master. If you believe his choices are putting your health at risk, risks you do not wish to take, then choose to disobey your master. The one thing every slave owns is her own choices. Choose...and own the choice. You know, I have been trying to resist, but I cannot take it anymore. Your pompous proclamations about what a slave should do or not do is just annoying. I feel sorry for anyone you are with if god forbid there was a choice between obeying YOU and their own health and safety. It seems to me, that your version of relationships is simply black and white while most of the world understands the fluid shades of grey. And still the choice before her remains the same: obey, and take the pill. Disobey, and do not take the pill. So are you the type of person that makes up his mind and closes it to any additional information that could be beneficial to making a better decision? Since it has not been established if this couple has talked about the forms of BC and the side effect nor has it been established that the Dom researched on his own, who is to say that he wouldn't welcome the oppurtunity to make an informed decision? Information may alter which path is chosen. It does not alter the nature of the choice itself. After all the talking is done, the alternatives remain as they are: Obey, or Disobey; Do, or Do Not.

fluffyswitch -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/30/2008 2:13:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: OmegaG quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: kitttty the last pill i took made me gain 10 lbs in about 10 days. i am really hoping that this one does not have the same effect. i don't know why, but if a pill has a side effect, i will feel it. i hate fucking my body up with pills. i am not allowed to gain weight. it's Master's body but if he gets a vastectomy, i'm out the door. i know i should please him by making my bare cunt available. it's still hard though. If you "know" you should make yourself available in this way, then do so. Choose to obey your master. If you believe his choices are putting your health at risk, risks you do not wish to take, then choose to disobey your master. The one thing every slave owns is her own choices. Choose...and own the choice. You know, I have been trying to resist, but I cannot take it anymore. Your pompous proclamations about what a slave should do or not do is just annoying. I feel sorry for anyone you are with if god forbid there was a choice between obeying YOU and their own health and safety. It seems to me, that your version of relationships is simply black and white while most of the world understands the fluid shades of grey. And still the choice before her remains the same: obey, and take the pill. Disobey, and do not take the pill. So are you the type of person that makes up his mind and closes it to any additional information that could be beneficial to making a better decision? Since it has not been established if this couple has talked about the forms of BC and the side effect nor has it been established that the Dom researched on his own, who is to say that he wouldn't welcome the oppurtunity to make an informed decision? Information may alter which path is chosen. It does not alter the nature of the choice itself. After all the talking is done, the alternatives remain as they are: Obey, or Disobey; Do, or Do Not. no there is a third, which i realize that she has not stated as being interested in: she could decide it's her body her choice, and they are not compatible and disband the arrangement depending on his reaction. take him completely out of the equation and you have a new choice. it's not as simple as black and white and simply repeating that over and over isn't going to make it true.

OmegaG -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/30/2008 2:24:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Information may alter which path is chosen. It does not alter the nature of the choice itself. After all the talking is done, the alternatives remain as they are: Obey, or Disobey; Do, or Do Not. yes, it may be that He is unaware of side effects, it may be that he doesn't know what else is available, he may decide after a conversation that he spoke hastily and he may withdraw the directive. Would you rather a slave follow you without conversation even if she had better information then you and knew that what you were asking wasn't the best path or would you rather her share her knowledge so that you could make a better decission? Personally I would not follow one who closed his mind once it was made up. I appreciate that I can communicate with him and he will listen to new information, then when he's given an informed directive I have no problem obeying.

celticlord2112 -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/30/2008 2:30:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch no there is a third, which i realize that she has not stated as being interested in: she could decide it's her body her choice, and they are not compatible and disband the arrangement depending on his reaction. take him completely out of the equation and you have a new choice. it's not as simple as black and white and simply repeating that over and over isn't going to make it true. Your "third" option is disobedience restated--she's not conforming to his wishes, ergo it is disobedience. The dissolution of the relationship is not choice but consequence (which produces new choices as you pointed out). Repeating over and over that there are shades of gray will not produce shades of gray. Gray is black and white viewed at a distance. Move closer and gray resolves to black and white. This is the order of things.

celticlord2112 -> RE: It's hard to obey some things. (1/30/2008 2:51:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OmegaG quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Information may alter which path is chosen. It does not alter the nature of the choice itself. After all the talking is done, the alternatives remain as they are: Obey, or Disobey; Do, or Do Not. yes, it may be that He is unaware of side effects, it may be that he doesn't know what else is available, he may decide after a conversation that he spoke hastily and he may withdraw the directive. Would you rather a slave follow you without conversation even if she had better information then you and knew that what you were asking wasn't the best path or would you rather her share her knowledge so that you could make a better decission? Personally I would not follow one who closed his mind once it was made up. I appreciate that I can communicate with him and he will listen to new information, then when he's given an informed directive I have no problem obeying. In my house, I make it a practice to gather as much information as is available before making a decision. The rule in my house is that medical conditions and especially medical emergencies are to be brought to my attention without fail and without exception. When the information is gathered, it falls to me to make a decision. I choose a direction to take, and command my slave accordingly. Such is the practice in my house. Does the OP's dominant follow a similar path? I do not know--that information is not contained within this thread. What I do know is that, based on the original post, a command has been given. It falls now to the OP to choose her response to that command--of which by definition there can be only two options: obey or disobey. The dominant chooses the command he gives his slave. The slave chooses whether or not to obey that command. That is the core of power exchange.

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