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What happens to a slave when a master departs this life? - 1/28/2008 7:04:09 PM   
mastergcs


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Status: offline 		I was a bit disappointed to learn that a lot of Masters do not take the time to make arrangements for their slaves in case something happens to them. And after some thought I decided that this goes hand and hand with the changes I have seen in this lifestyle. More and more people are getting into this life style with the idea of being a “weekend warrior” or just for a little fun.

More and more I run into people who want this to be cheap, fast and easy. And from my experience it is none of the above, it takes a lot of work, good communication skills and heck of a lot of dedication (I will leave this thought for another discussion). I also know firsthand how hard it can be to add slaves to your will and to your life insurance. But it can be done.

So I would like to know what other Master’s are doing to protect their property (slaves) if something happens to them. And have other Master’s also run into the problems that I have had in getting there slaves health insurance?

I will not get into were the slave goes physically yet, unless this discussion moves in that direction. Needless to say there is a Master who has agreed to take my slaves if anything happens to me.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 7:14:53 PM   
KatyLied


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Status: offline 		Hopefully a slave knows how to be self-sufficient and isn't at a loss when a master dies.  Just a little common sense there.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 7:17:16 PM   
MasterFireMaam


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Status: offline 		My girl anne is one one my beneficiaries as well as the executor of my estate. I have made no arrangements as far as turning over her care for three reasons: 1) she is married and has her husband to rely on emotionally, 2) she is actually quite capable ot taking care of herself, even in mourning (I would not be the first Master she has lost in this life) and 3) she is already a member of an extended household who would have her if she did happen to need them.

I have friends, however, who have asked people to be the caretakers of their slaves should they die. I had one friend ask if I would caretake one of hers; I said yes. However, they are no longer together and the slave has moved on.

I have other financial and medical things in place that involve my girl. she has medical power of attorney and such. she also has copies of my living will and memorial wishes.

Master Fire

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 7:18:56 PM   
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Hopefully a slave knows how to be self-sufficient and isn't at a loss when a master dies.  Just a little common sense there.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 7:52:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mastergcs

I was a bit disappointed to learn that a lot of Masters do not take the time to make arrangements for their slaves in case something happens to them.


Slaves have some personal responsibility to ensure their care in the event of death or disability as well.  Even if you subscribe to the notion that a collared slave has no personal responsibility at all (with which I would fervently disagree), you'd have to agree that prior to being collared they have a responsibility to know and consent to those arrangements.
 
Having said that, there are plenty of folks in all walks of life, in all lifestyles, who fail to prepare for sickness, death, disability or retirement.  This is nothing unique to BDSM.

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And after some thought I decided that this goes hand and hand with the changes I have seen in this lifestyle. More and more people are getting into this life style with the idea of being a “weekend warrior” or just for a little fun.


Obviously, you are not well versed in the history of BDSM which is not steeped in a tradition that includes health insurance, life insurance, or long term disability insurance.  Nor are 24/7 power exchange relationships either the norm or the majority.  The "weekend warriors" (sensation players included) you disparage represent the majority of BDSM.  And historically, S/M represented the entirety of WIITWD for decades. 
 
There just isn't any historical basis for you to have observed the changes you claim to have observed.

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More and more I run into people who want this to be cheap, fast and easy.


What is the matter with cheap, fast and easy if that's what someone wants?  Seems rather intolerant and representative of a "one true way" to say that there's something wrong with that.

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And from my experience it is none of the above, it takes a lot of work, good communication skills and heck of a lot of dedication (I will leave this thought for another discussion).


That is your experience for the kind of relationship dynamic that you desire and works for you.  Newsflash... what you desire and works for you is not what everyone desires and works for them.  Your way is not *the* way.

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I also know firsthand how hard it can be to add slaves to your will and to your life insurance. But it can be done.


I also know firsthand how easy it can be to add slaves to my will and life insurance.  I have done so on several occasions now.  I phone my lawyer and tell him to draw up a new will, then phone my insurance agent and tell him to change the benificiary on my insurance policy.  Two phone calls... ten minutes.  Neat, clean and easy.  If you need their phone numbers I'd be pleased to recommend them as competetent and qualified professionals.
 
Health insurance can be another matter entirely.  All but one of my previous partners had their own health insurance through their employer.  In a single instance, I was able to procure health insurance through Blue Cross.  They're happy to take anyone's money and provide health insurance in return.

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So I would like to know what other Master’s are doing to protect their property (slaves) if something happens to them. And have other Master’s also run into the problems that I have had in getting there slaves health insurance?


Personally, I do take care to make sure that my partner is well taken care of in the event of my demise or disability.  Though I recognize that not everyone is nearly so responsible.  But that's the way of the world, and I would not single out "Masters" or BDSM in that regard. 

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I will not get into were the slave goes physically yet, unless this discussion moves in that direction. Needless to say there is a Master who has agreed to take my slaves if anything happens to me.


Personally, my girl would go wherever she wanted.  They have always been responsible enough and capable enough to make that determination all for herself, just as they have made the decision to become mine all by themselves.  They have submitted to me by choice, not by necessity (ie: they are all able to fully function in society without me, but have chosen to submit anyway). 

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 8:10:23 PM   
RedMagic1


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Status: offline 		What kind of man only has intimate relationships with women who are incapable of common sense and taking care of themselves?  What kind of man fosters and encourages helplessness?

I'm not even a wannabe Dom, because I don't want-to-be anywhere near such a style of life.

Am I the only person who has seen vanilla couples stay in unhealthy situations because they were economically unable to separate?  How much worse would that be in M/s D/s if the "s" were financially unable to leave and make her own way in the world?  I don't exactly see "consensual" written all over that situation. 

I've had two women ask me about the possibility of 24/7 with them.  This is before we ever met, mind you.  I told them both they needed to have either a job or savings, so they *could* leave, and stay only because they chose to.  That shut down those conversations fast.  Nothing like economic reality to get people to stop wanking.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 9:34:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Hopefully a slave knows how to be self-sufficient and isn't at a loss when a master dies. Just a little common sense there.


Not so common, actually. There are a number of vanilla spouses who are ill-prepared for what comes after their loved one passes. Why should it be different amoung D/s couples?

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 9:37:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Hopefully a slave knows how to be self-sufficient and isn't at a loss when a master dies. Just a little common sense there.


Not so common, actually. There are a number of vanilla spouses who are ill-prepared for what comes after their loved one passes. Why should it be different amoung D/s couples?


Because Master G needs to carry on his myopic delusions he went off about in the disintergating lifestyle thread a few rows down.

I second everything Rover said and thank him for saving me some typing.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 9:42:19 PM   
celticlord2112


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What kind of man only has intimate relationships with women who are incapable of common sense and taking care of themselves? What kind of man fosters and encourages helplessness?



It is surprisingly easy to foster dependency and helplessness. This was a mistake I made with my ex wife. Making decent money, I did not insist she work outside the house. Along the way, she came to take it as an article of faith that money to pay the household bills would just "be there". When the kids were in high school and no longer needed "Mom" to be there right when they got home from school, she was out of the habit of working, and out of touch with the demands of the working world. Getting her back into the workforce damn near took an act of Congress.

I doubt many dominants (or vanilla husbands for that matter) set out to foster dependency and helplessness; when it does happen, it is likely an unintended consequence of some misguided chivalry or similar noble ideal.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 9:54:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		FR:   Once again, all of you so called "wanna be" Dominants do not understand the ONE TRUE WAY of D/s that mastergcs has come down from the mountain to impart to you poor misbegotten souls.  I get it, of course, as I always do.  A REAL Dominant -- not just a weekend sensation player, no, but a REAL Dominant knows he needn't provide ANYTHING for his slaves on his death.  For they will each gather around the funeral ship, and once the pyre is set alight, they will run happily to the flaming bier and throw themselves on it, knowing that they will follow their Master into Valhalla and live eternally by Wodin's grace.

Uh...holly.  honey?  Uh....come back....no...really...I was just kidding...please baby?  please baby baby pleeeeeze?

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 10:09:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
Not so common, actually. There are a number of vanilla spouses who are ill-prepared for what comes after their loved one passes. Why should it be different amoung D/s couples?


Indeed, as I am still helping my mom with many, many things since my Dad died.

As for the OP's question, my Master has prepared me for his death.  Not to say it will be easy, but I will continue to live as he wants me to.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 10:15:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
I doubt many dominants (or vanilla husbands for that matter) set out to foster dependency and helplessness; when it does happen, it is likely an unintended consequence of some misguided chivalry or similar noble ideal.

Point taken, but as MR pointed out, the spirit of the OP's threads are a tiny bit different from your response to me.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/28/2008 11:51:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mastergcs

So I would like to know what other Master’s are doing to protect their property (slaves) if something happens to them. And have other Master’s also run into the problems that I have had in getting there slaves health insurance?

I will not get into were the slave goes physically yet, unless this discussion moves in that direction. Needless to say there is a Master who has agreed to take my slaves if anything happens to me.

MasterG
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At the moment... nothing. If he died tomorrow, it would not affect my bank account, ability to pay bills or where I live due to our personal circumstances. After a certain length of time... the standard husband/wife thing. We don't believe in giving your slave over to someone else after you die unless it's something you both discuss and both are entirely happy and comfortable with the person in question. He might ask someone to watch over me for a time but they would not own me.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/29/2008 12:15:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mastergcs
More and more people are getting into this life style with the idea of being a “weekend warrior” or just for a little fun.


You make having 'fun' sound so.. seedy. Not everyone wants a relationship. You're not more or less than anyone else. Really, you need to get over yourself.

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More and more I run into people who want this to be cheap, fast and easy.


If you're just now running into that, I'd say you've had your head buried in the sand for a good long while and/or you inhabit a microscopic universe. Cheap, fast and easy has always been part of BDSM.  Anonymous sex & SM, glory holes, rampant, unprotected fucking. Why do you think so many of the gay leather crowd contracted AIDS?

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And from my experience it is none of the above, it takes a lot of work, good communication skills and heck of a lot of dedication (I will leave this thought for another discussion).


Again, your experience sounds as if it has been very limited. It's been my experience that you can have amazing times with people whom you've known for 10 mins.

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I also know firsthand how hard it can be to add slaves to your will and to your life insurance. So I would like to know what other Master’s are doing to protect their property (slaves) if something happens to them. And have other Master’s also run into the problems that I have had in getting there slaves health insurance?


Psst. It's called individual coverage as opposed to group coverage and while it is much more expensive it's actually pretty damn easy to get albeit there may be some limits on what's covered especially if there are pre-existing conditions.

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I will not get into were the slave goes physically yet, unless this discussion moves in that direction. Needless to say there is a Master who has agreed to take my slaves if anything happens to me.



Personally, my Master isn't that fungible.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/29/2008 12:38:28 AM   
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I will not get into were the slave goes physically yet, unless this discussion moves in that direction. Needless to say there is a Master who has agreed to take my slaves if anything happens to me.

MasterG
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Interesting....either this gentleman is doing YOU a favor, in which case he views your slaves as a burden, which would not be in your slaves' best interest, or he desires your slaves for himself, in which case you need to make sure you have plenty of witnesses whenver you meet up with this gentleman....just to be safe!

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/29/2008 4:39:23 AM   
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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/29/2008 6:15:42 AM   
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Needless to say there is a Master who has agreed to take my slaves if anything happens to me.

MasterG
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I am just going to put them down like cattle.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/29/2008 6:27:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		currently, Daddy (nor SO) has nothing prepared (that i know of) however i do.  Daddy has a copy of my living will expressing my wishes for medical care etc in case i'm unable ...plus it includes a copy of a safe key in which i keep other important papers concerning my UMs.

gwad forbid if Daddy (or SO) should die before His time and He has my promise not to seek another to replace Him.


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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/29/2008 8:42:35 AM   
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Not so common, actually. There are a number of vanilla spouses who are ill-prepared for what comes after their loved one passes. Why should it be different amoung D/s couples?


Ditto Celticlord2112;

You don't have to be a slave/sub to be devastated by the death of a loved one. Even today many women struggle with the aftermath. When my Granfather died, my Grandmother was totally unprepared to deal with household accounts (he handled them), insurance (health, life and home) he handled them and many of the things than women today handle long before they get married and even afterwards. We may know where the will is, the insurance policies, etc, but that was not always the way and it may not be the way in a home that is striving for TPE.

Add to that being capable of handling things, is not the same as being able to handle things right after a loss. I am an extremely capable woman, but right after my son was murdered, you would not have known it. I couldn't even pull together enough to think of feeding myself, much less handle the funeral arrangments, death certificates, etc and I was pretty much in shock and deep depression for months afterwards. Losing my Master to death I suspect will devestate me, no matter how it happens. Plans he has in place and that I have in place pending such an occurance on either side, include support and guidance while dealing with the pain and grief.

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RE: What happens to a slave when a master departs this ... - 1/29/2008 8:59:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yanno it shouldn't be all that hard to add a slave to your will. Pick up phone call lawyer, give particulars, go down sign papers. You can include your cat, dog or favorite charity in a will, why is a slave so difficult?

Life Insurance is the same pretty much. At the approriate time in your insurance policies schedule you can change or add a benificiary through proper notification.

You can add someone as a reciepient in case of death on Bank accounts, Stocks, etc. they don't have to be related through blood or marriage. Speak to your banker.

Even homes can be bequeathed to a person you are not married to.

Powers of Attorney, Executors, Trustees and  other legal matters can be attended to, drawn up, filed  and placed with a lawyer to convey rights to a slave or a Master at any point, and canceled if you dissolve the relationship.

Health Insurance through a company is difficult. Most companies do not make allowances in their policies for SO's but you can get an SO inclusion/rider on Health Insurance you get for yourself. Common Law is recognized in most states, though not same sex.

Auto Insurance is not all that problematic either though it can be "expensive" since you get discounts for age, marital status, etc otherwise. Most companies require you list all other dirvers in the home, your vehicle can be insured to cover those people as well.

Marriage of course is the easiest way, but these things can all be in place.

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