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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 1/30/2008 10:44:43 AM   
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As for myself I'd have to say that I do enjoy the power but something I heard once wrung very true. Guys get absolutely addicted to being f*ed up the a** by a woman. Men in general who have had it positively crave it when they don't have it. Once they experience it , it's impossible to get rid of them. If you look at the numbers, it makes sense. Just guestimate how many women actually do strap on play. I'd say it's a very low number. It's not something most people put in a yahoo personals ad or something you see on e harmony or J date. lol. Ultimately you can't "rule" anyone with sexual power but you can most certainly feel that power while in that activity.

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 1/30/2008 11:37:13 AM   
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I truly enjoy the way some questions bring lots of people to share their thoughts and experiences!

This particular thread does show a few assumptions that will not apply to many people.

What "Dommes get out of" ANY kind of play depends on the particular Domme.
No one style or interest applies to all.

Yes some women enjoy "taking away" a male sub's masculinity, just as some subs crave having this done. For one dildo fucking him tickles her fancy, for another putting lingerie on him does this, for others "making" him service her orally during her most taboo times does this.

LOL it is funny because if the sub craves one of these she'll enslave through his joys not from emasculating him, whether that is her desire or not.

Many women love their men to be very masculine, and this for many has little effect upon their ability to submit. Other women do enjoy taking the shortcuts to dominance of tearing down his masculinity. Actually this might tear down his ability to Please her in some ways.

it is strange that almost all male dominants with female subs turn on to enhancing her femininity and enjoying that! Rarely does one seek to masculinize a female sub. He may humiliate her in various other ways if this is consented to, but he WANTS her feminine surrender. By the same thought, many female dominants want that very male total surrender of a male sub.

Some like getting or giving strap on play for a lot of reasons, which need not be symbolic. It can be sweet, hot, fun, exciting, humiliating, orgasmic and loving too. The Domme may be jacking herself off in his ass and loving this.

As a sub or slave, whatever my Mistress craves most is what I need to give her, whether I like or enjoy that action or not. And for a Mistress to be a good partner for me, I love it when she loves bringing me joys too.

When I dominate a woman, I certainly enjoy ways she pleases me, but the more happy I am with her, the more likely it is that I shall take time to see she gets stuff she REALLY loves, even if these may not be my most favorites. My need is her craving, her responses are some of my joys. And if I need her to fuck my ass with a vibe or dildoe, she'll crave that because it pleases me!


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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 1/30/2008 12:08:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SPOILEDOMINA

As for myself I'd have to say that I do enjoy the power but something I heard once wrung very true. Guys get absolutely addicted to being f*ed up the a** by a woman. Men in general who have had it positively crave it when they don't have it. Once they experience it , it's impossible to get rid of them. If you look at the numbers, it makes sense. Just guestimate how many women actually do strap on play. I'd say it's a very low number. It's not something most people put in a yahoo personals ad or something you see on e harmony or J date. lol. Ultimately you can't "rule" anyone with sexual power but you can most certainly feel that power while in that activity.


lol - I have heard that a way to a man's heart is not through his stomach, but up his ass



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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 1/30/2008 1:45:05 PM   
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kyang777,

This is a little flippant, but I'm just in that kind of mood today.

quote:

What a strap-on dildo training can bring to a dominate mistress?


Well, for starters, I hope it brings nouns, adjectives, and adverbs, as opposed to just verbs.  To dominate (verb)... the dominant (noun)... or dominant person (adjective)... must dominate (verb)... their charge dominantly (adverb).

quote:

I read an interview with a well known mistress and she said that "nothing works better than strap-on dildo training to remove all the manhood a male sub still feels he has".  Do you mistresses agree with this?  Overall, what fun, excitement, satisfaction, orgasm, etc. can a good strap-on session bring to mistresses themselves?


I don't agree with the assertion that strap-on training removes manhood.  Many submissives I know enjoy having a strap-on used on them and none, to my knowledge, are eunuchs as a result.  (Oh, alright... perhaps I should say "symbolic eunuch" for accuracy's sake because eunuchs are castrated as opposed to having their manhood removed.)

If by "manhood" you mean that such training is emasculating, I'm not sure I agree with this either.  The dynamics between a Domina and her submissive are unique.  Thus, for one coupling, the act might work as a mechanism of humiliation and objectification, while for another, it may be the case that the two just enjoy sharing a damn good rogering.  For myself personally, ass play sometimes triggers a submissive headspace, but just as often I simply enjoy the intimacy of being taken and of sharing closeness with my partner.

Lashra's thoughts resonated with me (and with others).  These words are a while back so I'll quote Lashra here for providence:

quote:

Lashra:
No I don't agree with the statement that Mistress made.  I don't want to remove my submales manhood, I happen to really like men a lot.  What I want to do is have my fun with him and send him flying out into subspace.  Part of my fun is taking his ass with a strapon it gives me a feeling of power, power over him, power over his pleasure and power to use him as I will (within our limits).


This works just fine for me. :-)

Elan.

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 1/30/2008 1:49:47 PM   
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I dunno.  A dildo is superior to the majority of human phalli in many respects.  Most of them are larger, thicker, and more durably tumescent than a human penis, regardless of how many orgasms the wielder may have--and if you happen to be a straight man, there's the inestimable benefit of the toy being wielded by a deliciously soft, sweet-smelling, curvaceous yum-yum female. 

A strap-on doesn't have to represent "manhood", in other words--it represents a use of technology to stimulate pleasure/pain.  The power involved doesn't necessarily have to be the assumption of the masculine role.  That can be part of it for some players, but it can also just be the intensity of the stimulation, and the intimacy of penetrating such an extremely sensitive taboo orifice.

Anyway, I think "dildo makes you a man" is a childish point of view.  Saying you shouldn't use a toy to stimulate the nerve bundles of the vagina, prostrate, anus etc. is like saying you shouldn't use an implement to strike people--it isn't "real" power unless you hit with the hand or fist.  BS!  Welcome to Homo sapiens, a species of tool users.  I don't think I'm "pretending to be an eel" if I use electricity, "pretending to be a rabbit" if I use a fur mitt, or "pretending to be a man" if I use a dildo.  I'm just being a human being, and using whatever tool is suited to the job at hand.

This is not to say, of course, that there can't be a lot of potentially amusing emotional freight associated with being penetrated for men, being as how afraid most of them are of the Gay.  There are a lot of other D/S games that can flirt with that homophobic/homoerotic taboo, including forced bi, cuckoldry, etc..  *shrug*  I see nothing wrong with any of it, if it turns you on, but strap-on play doesn't have to go there.

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 1/30/2008 1:55:22 PM   
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ShaktiSama

quote:

I dunno.  A dildo is superior to the majority of human phalli in many respects.  Most of them are larger, thicker, and more durably tumescent than a human penis, regardless of how many orgasms the wielder may have--and if you happen to be a straight man, there's the inestimable benefit of the toy being wielded by a deliciously soft, sweet-smelling, curvaceous yum-yum female. 

A strap-on doesn't have to represent "manhood", in other words--it represents a use of technology to stimulate pleasure/pain.  The power involved doesn't necessarily have to be the assumption of the masculine role.  That can be part of it for some players, but it can also just be the intensity of the stimulation, and the intimacy of penetrating such an extremely sensitive taboo orifice.

Anyway, I think "dildo makes you a man" is a childish point of view.  Saying you shouldn't use a toy to stimulate the nerve bundles of the vagina, prostrate, anus etc. is like saying you shouldn't use an implement to strike people--it isn't "real" power unless you hit with the hand or fist.  BS!  Welcome to Homo sapiens, a species of tool users.  I don't think I'm "pretending to be an eel" if I use electricity, "pretending to be a rabbit" if I use a fur mitt, or "pretending to be a man" if I use a dildo.  I'm just being a human being, and using whatever tool is suited to the job at hand.

This is not to say, of course, that there can't be a lot of potentially amusing emotional freight associated with being penetrated for men, being as how afraid most of them are of the Gay.  There are a lot of other D/S games that can flirt with that homophobic/homoerotic taboo, including forced bi, cuckoldry, etc..  *shrug*  I see nothing wrong with any of it, if it turns you on, but strap-on play doesn't have to go there.


I like the way you think, both internally and out loud. :-)

Elan.

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 1/30/2008 2:14:06 PM   
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A woman can get most male subs to do anything for strapon training....


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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 1/30/2008 8:48:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AtlantaMistress


lol - I have heard that a way to a man's heart is not through his stomach, but up his ass



I really wish I could somehow get away with putting this on a t-shirt.


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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 1/31/2008 1:42:14 AM   
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*fast reply*
I think it all depends on the Domme and her sub and what kind of dynamic is explored.  My guys are masculine men when we start the session and when we end the session.  Occasionally, during a session, a little humiliation play is in order; maybe a little crossdressing or cuckolding. At those times, using a strap-on with them can be a bit emasculating.  Add some verbal humiliation to that and bingo! All their humiliation switches are tripped. Other times, they just really enjoy reciving it because it feels so damn good.  I honestly think I never hear them howl as loud when they cum as they do while I'm using the strap-on on them.  Love that sound!  Sometimes it makes them feel a deeper sense of submission.  Some of them have told me that being fucked with the strap-on makes them feel the "sluttiest" - the total release to enjoy the pleasure and savor the experience without any apprehension.  To be able to experience something society sees as taboo and relish it.  Almost without fail, they're deepest into subspace during this activity, over others.  What does it do for me personally?  I get most into Domme/top space from the control I have over my guys and from the energy and reactions they have to anything I do with them or to them.  With this particular activity, I am most definitely in control and it produces some of the strongest energy and reactions from them.  'Nuff said!

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 1/31/2008 6:57:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra

No I don't agree with the statement that Mistress made. I don't want to remove my submales manhood, I happen to really like men a lot. What I want to do is have my fun with him and send him flying out into subspace. Part of my fun is taking his ass with a strapon it gives me a feeling of power, power over him, power over his pleasure and power  to use him as I will (within our limits).

~Lashra



Perfectly stated! now, to try to get up to the Baltimore area *thinking*

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 1/31/2008 8:41:08 PM   
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for all those who love strapon play like myself  once your mistress has you loving strapon play see if she will fist you next  i think her fisting you is much better then strapon because its actually a part of her going inside you ..once she slides in that feeling is amazing  must warn you being fisted can be very addicting ..cant believe how much i crave it  now   and talk about the power exchange ...WOW ..have fun and enjoy ..my mistress has trained me well   mal

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 2/1/2008 8:33:16 AM   
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DianeB269,

quote:

A woman can get most male subs to do anything for strapon training...


Some subs yes, others no.  For many people (myself included), this depends highly on who is on the other end of the strap-on. :-)

Elan.

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 2/1/2008 10:56:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hands0n0knees

A more interesting dispute is whether female dominants feel that appropriating the male shape in order to feel sexual power contributes to the diminution of their innate power as women.

But I think that's been asked a thousand times as well.



More interesting to you, perhaps. Yes, it's been asked a thousand times, and it seems like beating a dead horse at this point.

Frankly, I think you've misinterpreted the purpose of most female dominants who enjoy "appropriating the male shape", as you put it. I don't think they do it to "feel sexual power", because they feel that already. The purpose of the strapon is much more attuned to the feeling of the sub they're using it on. The actual physical penetration and invasion of his body can be a very humbling or even humiliating experience for him.

Can this enhance the female dominant's feeling sexual power? Sure, indirectly, but it's not something that she needs to feel sexual power. It's merely one weapon in a large arsenal.

When a sub feels humiliated or emasculated by this invasion, it's more a reflection of his situation than hers. He's forced to struggle with the recognition that the male-on-top stereotype generally promoted by our society doesn't apply to him. Again, strap-on activity isn't the only way the female dominant can accomplish this, but it's often one powerful way, and it doesn't mean that she's abandoning her femininity.

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 2/1/2008 12:41:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

DianeB269,

quote:

A woman can get most male subs to do anything for strapon training...


Some subs yes, others no.  For many people (myself included), this depends highly on who is on the other end of the strap-on. :-)

Elan.



True, but it does bring some STRONG incentive. Particularly if She is skilled and does not go for something 3" thick straight away.

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 2/1/2008 12:58:10 PM   
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solvr70,

quote:

DianeB269:
A woman can get most male subs to do anything for strapon training...

ElanSubdued:
Some subs yes, others no.  For many people (myself included), this depends highly on who is on the other end of the strap-on. :-)

solvr70:
True, but it does bring some STRONG incentive.  Particularly if She is skilled and does not go for something 3" thick straight away.


Not meaning to be argumentative here, but everyone has different tastes and different life experiences.  For myself, no matter how skilled she is, if the person behind the strap-on isn't attractive to me, I have little motivation to do much for her or to accept her phallus.  And as for starting with something 3 inches thick... *drools*.  (Oh, alright.  I suppose a warm-up with 2 to 2.5 inches would be a nice preface to the main course. :-)

Elan.

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 2/1/2008 1:10:38 PM   
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I couldn't have said it better myself.  Its the power not man hating that I am my slave get out of anal play.

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 2/1/2008 1:36:28 PM   
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To put it simply: the joys of fucking someone, or the joys of being fucked, really don't have much to do with gender. If you really think that those thousands of strap-on harnesses being sold in shops across the country are only going to lesbians, well, you need to do some more research! (I remember coming across a sales figure from a company that was running a booth at AAE this year, and they alone stated that they had sold over 10,000 harnesses in 2006, and dildoes to go with them. They are only one of hundreds of manufacturers world wide, I'm sure.)

It sounds to me from the quoted interview, that the Domme in question might not know exactly what she's doing. I've been taken that way by at least a half a dozen women over the years, some in rather brutal style, and I've never felt the urge to scream... unless she wasn't using enough lube. Typical newbie mistake: when it comes to strap ons and fisting "a little dab will do ya" is definitely NOT the creedo to have. Slather that sucker up like the Exxon Valdeez!

Anyway, in my experiences, being taken with a strap on is NOT something that makes me feel like my manhood is being taken away. Rather, it makes me feel like I am the center of attention, and that I'm giving myself up to my dominant partner. Not the same thing as emasculation at all! It's a more intense version of subspace, sure, but it doesn't really screw with my identity as a male. And to answer you question about what the Domme gets out of it? The partners that I've had have told me that it gives them a sense of control over me, or anyone that they are penetrating. It's a very powerful act, to enter someone else's body. (Something that women understand inately, while men tend to take the act of doing so as a matter of privlidge.)

The other thing that it seems this thread hasn't realy recognized is, that males can wear these things too. Does that make them somehow "super-male?" Hardly. (With me, it just means I want to keep going after the third round that night...)

Might I suggest picking up a copy of "The Strapon Book?" (A.H. Dion, Greenery Press) It deals with your questions far more completely than anyone could on this thread. Available at most upscale adult palaces and slightly disreputable bookshops everywhere. 

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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 2/2/2008 8:51:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kyang777

Lashra, I like your opinion better.

Here is the original interview note: (I left out th interviewer and mistress's pen name)

Interviewer: Do You offer strap-on training?

Mistress-xxx: Oh yes I truly enjoy having a sissy or a boy bent before me holding his ankles for dear life as I fuck him until he screams for mercy! I feel it is truly important when training male pets who still think they have a little manhood left. Nothing takes that away like being ass raped!


This quote really bothers me.  Just the concept of being raped whether by a man or a woman isn't part of what I feel consensual BDSM is all about. 
 
Prostate issues aside, the anus contains a very large bundle of nerve endings which can be very pleasurable for either a male or female when properly stimulated.  Anal sex, or strap-on play IMO shouldn't be painful.  If it is, it's potentially causing harm to the recipient.  If anything, I believe it should be pleasurable.
 
It can also be a very intimate sharing between a Mistress and her submissive.  An alternate way of making love might be one way of describing it.  Yes, it can also be very empowering for the Domme, and I'm pleased to provide that for her.  It also can put me deep into sub-space while providing that sense of empowerment.  Do I feel less of a man?  Absolutely not!  If anything, I sometimes feel like more of one.  I've acknowledged a part of my sexuality that some men erroneously associate with homosexuality, which I view as being their problem with homophobia and denying a part of their body's natural response to anal stimulation.
 
Yes, there are many variations on what strap-on play can look like according to your particular dynamic and within the same dynamic of each couple depending on their mood.  It's something that taps deep into both my sexuality and the core of my submissive being.  What exactly is touched and released during our play, depends on how it's done.  There's no doubt a Domme can turn me into her complete and total slut if she wants to and knows how to.  Regardless, at the end of the day, I still feel like a man and a human being who hasn't been diminished as a person.  If I didn't, I wouldn't be with that woman as my Domme.
 
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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 2/2/2008 11:37:32 AM   
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Excellent post....Thanks


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RE: What a strapon dildo training can bring to a domina... - 2/2/2008 12:35:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave
Do I feel less of a man?  Absolutely not!  If anything, I sometimes feel like more of one. 
 - pixel

Not everyone is the same pixel :)
One feels this, and another one feels that.

you sure you wouldn't want a good straponfucking laddie? *EG*

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