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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/6/2008 8:09:34 AM   
GregorianChant


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Goodness gracious me. Are we all really replying to an ignorant "I am the uber Godezz" imbecile for 11 pages?

I'm 22. I just got a job where I'll be managing a call center with 120 people in it. Clearly I have no idea how to be a leader right?

Excellent Dominants are by and large natural leaders- and natural leadership is something you are born with- not something that comes with time. The one common characteristic is our ability to make people WANT TO FOLLOW US after initial contact with us. Hopefully we are also responsible, caring, and loving. Beyond that though we are simply the people who are naturally looked at to lead. Why? Who knows...

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/6/2008 8:18:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GregorianChant

Goodness gracious me. Are we all really replying to an ignorant "I am the uber Godezz" imbecile for 11 pages?

I'm 22. I just got a job where I'll be managing a call center with 120 people in it. Clearly I have no idea how to be a leader right?

Excellent Dominants are by and large natural leaders- and natural leadership is something you are born with- not something that comes with time. The one common characteristic is our ability to make people WANT TO FOLLOW US after initial contact with us. Hopefully we are also responsible, caring, and loving. Beyond that though we are simply the people who are naturally looked at to lead. Why? Who knows...


wow wow wow

No one tells you to post here..so calling her an imbecil is not needed.
There here also people leading companies..that are subs and slaves..so that doesn't mean anything either.

The way you react is not very adult..and might justify her question. And yes..I can understand your reaction..but it is not sexy :)

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/6/2008 8:21:13 AM   
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Unsexy and untolerant damn !!!! two much for just one guy

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/6/2008 8:53:05 AM   
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I would be more impressed if you managed 120 call girls.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/6/2008 9:00:28 AM   
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I'd be impressed if he noticed that this thread was dead for a while, only to be resurrected by more 20-somethings telling us how uber-domly they are.  I guess if no one else will beat your drum for you...

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/6/2008 11:05:59 AM   
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Chicky are you going to switch and Dom his ass.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/6/2008 3:23:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

but he is a musician...he is propably in love with the old composers. (don't misundersand me..they are propably great). But soemtimes people give idols superpowers for no reasons.


...this is why I usually don't discuss music with non-musicians.


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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/6/2008 3:24:33 PM   
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Please oh please oh please, edit your posts. It is very difficult to read such a heavily layered posting.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/6/2008 6:37:06 PM   
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I'm patiently waiting for the "How can a Lesbian own male slaves" thread to start up soon. 

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/6/2008 9:48:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GregorianChant

Goodness gracious me. Are we all really replying to an ignorant "I am the uber Godezz" imbecile for 11 pages?

I'm 22. I just got a job where I'll be managing a call center with 120 people in it. Clearly I have no idea how to be a leader right?

Excellent Dominants are by and large natural leaders- and natural leadership is something you are born with- not something that comes with time. The one common characteristic is our ability to make people WANT TO FOLLOW US after initial contact with us. Hopefully we are also responsible, caring, and loving. Beyond that though we are simply the people who are naturally looked at to lead. Why? Who knows...


Actually, natural leaders tend to possess leadership qualities - logistics, people skills, management skills - and those are more often found in submissives than dominants. It goes to follow that the best leaders are submissives.

You don't seem to be very good at making people want to follow you...

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/7/2008 2:10:48 AM   
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Briefly, as I've said before,

Dominance is a trait that one might possess from childhood.  One needn't be skilled at dominating, to have dominance.  I believe the longer one practices the responsible use of dominance, the more skilled they become.  If they start this practice at an early age, they can easily be 'good' owners of slaves at the age of 18.  I believe this is the exception, not the rule.

I usually get a chuckle at people who would put down a 21 year old Master, yet would snap up a 21 year old female submissive/slave in order to show them the twue way.  The point is that ignorance, poor etiquette, and arrogance isn't the exclusive domain of the young.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/7/2008 2:37:38 AM   
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The point is that ignorance, poor etiquette, and arrogance isn't the exclusive domain of the young

 
agree, asses come in all ages.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/7/2008 2:39:30 AM   
Justme696


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ORIGINAL: variation30
..this is why I usually don't discuss music with non-musicians.


with all respect.....that is a sad excuse

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/7/2008 6:57:48 AM   
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In contrast, I've encountered hundreds of men in their 40s to 60s whom I'm absolutely convinced are not at all dominant (just confused and claiming it for themselves).


Agreed. Alot of men, and in my experiance this seems to be more prevalent in older men rather than younger men, have alot of ego invested in the idea that they are dominant/alpha/whatever. It's just machismo masquerading as strength. It happens all over the place, not just in BDSM situations.  

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ORIGINAL: GregorianChant
Excellent Dominants are by and large natural leaders- and natural leadership is something you are born with- not something that comes with time. The one common characteristic is our ability to make people WANT TO FOLLOW US after initial contact with us. Hopefully we are also responsible, caring, and loving. Beyond that though we are simply the people who are naturally looked at to lead. Why? Who knows...


Being able to take control of a given situation is a developed skill. Like anything else, some people are more naturally adept at it than others by reasons of genetics or upbringing. But having a knack for something doesn't actually make you good at it. That takes time and practice.  

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/7/2008 2:59:16 PM   
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well if people are still reading this, i am 22 and i call myself a Dom, and no i do not have much exp, but ya gotta start somwhere. Atleast im honest

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/7/2008 3:55:50 PM   
Justme696


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ORIGINAL: Jrc6

well if people are still reading this, i am 22 and i call myself a Dom, and no i do not have much exp, but ya gotta start somwhere. Atleast im honest


yes you are..and that is the best for every one...makes it all clear...and raises no false expectations.
FInd that respectfull. And as you said..we all have to start once...and we grow in time.


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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/9/2008 7:20:55 AM   
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I feel the same as most here, if a person not old enought to vote, drink, or buy cigarettes, no way that person could understand the TPE of a slave or sub, the mental and physcial ability it takes to control and gain the trust of a fully willing slave/sub to ur Dominance

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/9/2008 8:10:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Stephann

Q:  "How old do you need to own a slave?"

A:  "Old Enough."

It isn't the responsibility of the outside observer to judge the validity of a private, consensual relationship.

A young dominant might not necessarily equate with skilled, experienced, or even good dominant.  Yet the same is true of a submissive.  If a man or woman wishes to assume the mantel of dominance, it will be by their actions with their partners that they are judged by.

If I had learned of the lifestyle at 18, I would have sought out other partners of similar age to learn with.  Not from, with.  This is no different than the lessons I learned about relationships at the age of 18.  D/s relationships are just that; relationships.  Touting them as the holy grail of relationships speaks more of inflating one own's ego than anything about others in D/s.

Note, of course, we can exchange the words 'old' with 'young', and '18' for '80' and these statements still apply.

Stephan




You know, this might have been an entirely different thread had it been taken from the perspective I highlighted above.

I've been reading a lot of the responses since I posted last on this thread.  There have been a lot of people younger than I that have made wonderful points.  I fully acknowledge the fact that a general rule doesn't apply to everyone.  Some people are the exception to the rule.  Still, there are reasons that those generalizations exist.

Personally, I don't know a single 21 year old that I would agree with the particular title of "Master".  Which is ok, considering I know some 40 year olds who slap the title on themselves without especially being worthy of it, either.  In both age groups, there just really isn't enough real life experience in the lifestyle to warrent it.    Yep.  Sorry.  This is another one of those areas that I don't equate what one has done on the net to be on the same level as the real time deal. 

I suppose what I'm getting at for the sake of the discussion is, what has a person done to be considered a Master?  Have they actually owned a slave, and be responsible for their existance?  What skills have they Mastered?  What experience have contributed to them thinking they should assume the title?  Are they in control of themselves?  Do they have the ability to control someone else?  Yes, I know it's not everybody's thing, but how about their exposure to the leather community?

There is the slightest possibility that it takes more to be a Master, than simply being a dominant personality, or being the leader in a relationship.

Edited to fix a spelling mistake.


And to add, yes, experience counts for a lot.


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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/9/2008 11:34:04 AM   
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goddess,

simply put / he/she cannot.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 3/9/2008 1:26:10 PM   
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You can be young and motivate people, lead and make people feel good about themselves. Thats a master. Or if you're good in bed and you like to control in bed you can be a great Top Master.

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