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Aswad -> RE: Sick, fucked up Motherfuckers (1/30/2008 5:17:35 PM)
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
If one had to decide between saving a cat/pet pig/dog/geiko/bunny rabbit, and a fellow human being, which creature would we choose, in all objectivity?
Depends on the animal, the human, and the definition of "save."
If GWB and my cat were drowning, it would be a no-brainer: save the cat.
Other cases are not necessarily quite as clear cut.
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Whilst I agree with Aswad that an ideal society ought to strive for harmony by showing respect to all living creatures, I wish to ask him whether he thinks that abattoirs should be closed down.
I think they should be set up differently.
Temple Grandin has done some work on that, for instance.
Major difference between killing for food and killing out of indifference, though.
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These places torture animals so that shoppers may be provided with nicely packaged meat at the supermarket.
Dunno about your place, but around here, there are reasonably frequent inspections to insure that an ethical standard is maintained. The weak spots are mostly associated with transportation. Not that I'm saying we don't have miles to go, but torture doesn't quite describe most of the meat industry here.
But, yeah, its only justification is logistics...
...can you imagine if everyone hunted for themselves, as responsibly as they drive cars or keep pets?
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Another point I'd like to raise with him is that this 'my belief/your belief' dichotomy only works up to a certain point.
It works all the way. But that's non-trivial to explain, and sort of off-topic.
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When it comes to organising society, we have to find compromises that take into account the general consensus.
Well, it's certainly the expedient route. Casualties along the way include jews, blacks, gays, and so forth. Oh, and pets.
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Thankfully, so far, the majority has NOT agreed to torture and execute individuals guilty of animal neglect (not that it's acceptable, I reiterate).
Which is also what I said: they shouldn't do such things.
My only difference was the corrollary that if they're gonna do it, it might as well be for this.
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OF COURSE it's all wrong, but what's up with the skewed priorities here?!
My priorities are pretty straight forward.
Whether they conform to the expectations of any given society, is a different matter.
Health,
al-Aswad.
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