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kittinSol -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:15:49 PM)
I don't think anybody denies that atrocities and genocides were and are committed worldwide (and still are to this day, unfortunately). However, we cannot compare the concentration camps (did you know it was the British who invented those, during the Boers war in South Africa?) with slavery in North America. Each and every one of these shameful episodes of human history have their specifics; and this is, after all, a thread about the USA.

Alumbrado -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:17:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: joanus Um I don't remember any other insants in History where an entire race of people where hunted and killed simple because of the color of their skin. Try talking to the Native Americans sometime. KristallNacht (1938). Auschwitz, Dachau, Bergen-Belsen The Armenian Deportations of 1915 and 1916 Srebenicia Rwanda Darfur History, and not a bit of it American. Not to mention those living here before the so called 'Native Americans' came along and killed them off...[:D]

servantheart -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:21:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joanus quote: ORIGINAL: servantheart Oh, you mean those who chose to actually think for themselves? Also, try reading the daily world news. Plenty of examples of mass murder all over the world. Btw, all murderers are monsters and do not deserve to live amongst civilized people. No really? Um....you may want to keep a dictionary handy for those spelling issues. Genoside is a problem hardly unique to any one country or culture. You may want to do some catching up on world history. Um I don't remember any other insants in History where an entire race of people where hunted and killed simple because of the color of their skin. Try talking to the Native Americans sometime. Again with the spelling, but I digress. Regarding hygiene, speak for yourself. Some of us are quite picky about that particular topic. Tell that to the people at walmart, McDonalds, The local 7/11. Those people need to bath. I can't see why any one would hate America. Edited because I don't know how to use those stupid quotation features....grrrr [sm=ugh.gif] Its called the quote button. Yes really. And you still need to do some catching up on the history of mass murder and human cruelty. It exists everywhere. As to your suggestion that I speak to a Native American, well, I AM part Native American so you can save that argument for somewhere else. I never denied that Americans are capable of some horrific acts, but no more so than other human beings, whatever country they happen to live in. Regarding your suggestion that I talk to the employees of certain establishments about personal hygiene, I have a better idea. Why don't you tell them yourself, or better yet, report their poor personal hygiene to their employers. Too, nobody forced you to do business there, so the best advice here would simply be to avoid going to those places you find offensive. It remains clear to me that you are filled with hatred for the country in which you live. Feel free to leave anytime.

celticlord2112 -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:24:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol I don't think anybody denies that atrocities and genocides were and are committed worldwide (and still are to this day, unfortunately). However, we cannot compare the concentration camps (did you know it was the British who invented those, during the Boers war in South Africa?) with slavery in North America. Each and every one of these shameful episodes of human history have their specifics; and this is, after all, a thread about the USA. Why can't we compare? Who said? The concentration camps were a form of slave labor (how do you think Albert Speer kept the Nazi war machine going right up to the end). Stalin's Gulag system was at least as bad as slavery was in antebellum America. When Jonathan Swift wrote "A Modest Proposal," it caused an outrage because many people took it seriously. We can discuss the ills of the US all you like, but to discuss them as if they are unique to the US is intellectually dishonest as well as amazingly hypocritical.

Alumbrado -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:25:30 PM)
quote: It remains clear to me that you are filled with hatred for the country in which you live. Feel free to leave anytime. It isn't even clear that Joanus lives here, since he contradicts himself on simple facts so often. If you have time to waste, read some of the earlier stuff about his mercenary expertise as a teenager that got him laughed off the boards.

NorthernGent -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:29:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Berners-Lee did invent the things need to make the www. He is a Brit. He now lives with his family in the hated US of A. As said, the computer and the WWW are English inventions - the Internet and the PC may be American for all I know. Regardless, we're not saying anything on this thread that isn't common knowledge around the world - the English and the Americans have a history of inventing and exporting their ideas. Back to the OP. To say you hate someone thousands of miles away is bordering on the bizarre, and they quite probably need a head reading from the local quack. Then again, I think it's fair to say that the current US government is doing you no favours in terms of world standing. You may not care; frankly, I wouldn't care a jot if I were you. It's not particularly because the US government is on military adventures; I mean, they've been doing this for a fair old while (masquerading as "freedom" but fooling no one with the exception of themselves). It's more the case that both Bush and Reagan appear to have an IQ of 6. But, I suppose every cloud has a silver lining, and it shows that men of average intelligence can reach the top in your country - a double edged sword if ever there was one. Anyway, if there's any justice in this world, you'll invent a bomb that can take out every Mcdonalds in the world without inflicting civilian casualties.

kittinSol -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:30:07 PM)
Shall we talk about the Japanese Americans and their incarceration in camps during WWII? Seriously, if you wish to compare slavery with extermination, you can, but it makes little sense to me.

Politesub53 -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:30:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Celtic Lord and Alumbrado. I would think that the majority of people consider the WWW as the Internet. Im not re defining or back tracking on anything. This is just my opinion, rightly or wrongly. At least you admit you're wrong. This is progress. Its never a bad trait is it. Even id i didnt actually admit it [;)]

kittinSol -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:33:03 PM)
To hate an entire people because of their nationality is absurd anyway. To criticise their country is an entirely different matter, though. Nations suck.

FirmhandKY -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:33:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Celtic Lord and Alumbrado. I would think that the majority of people consider the WWW as the Internet. Im not re defining or back tracking on anything. This is just my opinion, rightly or wrongly. Your are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. The www is not the internet. It uses the internet. Firm

RealityLicks -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:34:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Stalin's Gulag system was at least as bad as slavery was in antebellum America. I'd like you to explain how.

Aubre -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:36:24 PM)
Stalin murdered many more people than there ever were slaves in the United States.

shallowdeep -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:38:25 PM)
1990: A British engineer, working in Switzerland, using a machine designed and (gasp) manufactured in the United States, develops methods (naturally as outgrowths of previous ideas and infrastructure) for improving the ability of people to connect around the world. He calls his idea the World Wide Web. 2008: After many further developments from numerous people, the world's masses use the invention to argue amongst themselves about what nation deserves credit for what parts of what inventions. Exactly as was intended, I'm sure. On the topic of impressions of the US... From my experiences growing up in Silicon Valley I became accustomed to not only a wide diversity of people and ideas, but a ready acceptance of them. That attitude is something I tend to associate with the US, and one of the reasons I really like this country, despite its flaws both past and present. The national attachment didn't come at the expense of appreciation for the rest of the world, quite the opposite - something I'm also glad of.

Gwynvyd -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:41:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tantriqu Back to the original thread title. We don't hate you. We appreciate your hospitality, your drive, and willingness to help; you're generally one of the first in when a natural disaster strikes outside your border; so thank you. If you paid for health care and education, I'd be down there like a shot. But we wish you learned some history of other nations. How many Americans know we burned down the first White House? Less than 20%, I bet. WWI started in 1914, WWII started in 1939, and historically, 'Saving Private Ryan' was a crock of US bullshit; Spielberg, you little dumbass, read who else landed on D-Day. As for 'My country, drunk or sober' racism, how many Americans will flame for even suggesting such treasonous talk in the current climate, blah blah blah? More than 20%, I bet. you complain about your income taxes, yet you pay 1/3rd of what other industrialised nations pay, and professional athletes are paid what teachers should be paid. So, a little more empathy, a little less reactionary, you'd be loved again. Or maybe you could just let the Blue states vote to cecede; the south would implode itself back into the Stone Age, and we can deal with the more rational north. And while we're here, stop loudly complaining about the food/accomodations/public transport etc. when you're travelling. Just stop. Sheesh! I completely agree... however Florida gets to concede to be a Blue state and part of the North. ( We have enough Yankees down her for it anyways ) and we boot all the blue haired grannies and grandpas who want to drag us back to the 40's to Ga. ( it's the closest drop off point) Yeppers the Damn Brits smiles and winks tried to torch it back when it was called the Presidental Palace. shakes her head at how many people do not know that right along with ya Roosevelt changed the name. ( and many things) Gwyn

Alumbrado -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:42:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Celtic Lord and Alumbrado. I would think that the majority of people consider the WWW as the Internet. Im not re defining or back tracking on anything. This is just my opinion, rightly or wrongly. Your are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. The www is not the internet. It uses the internet. Firm And lest we forget, the point is basing an image of an entire nationality on inaccurate information.

RealityLicks -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:45:25 PM)
@ shallowdeep - I liked your comments on the web debate. Unfortunately, there does seem to be a bit of a gulf between your idea of Americans "appreciation for the rest of the world" and the reality. Unless, they changed the meaning of "appreciation" to "blithe disregard, bordering on condescension" while I was out.

NorthernGent -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:45:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Stalin's Gulag system was at least as bad as slavery was in antebellum America. I'd like you to explain how. I'm never one to refrain from interjecting, so why break the habit of a CM posting history. It's a grand statement, but I take the point. Both are examples of denying people their rights as human beings. I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that a gulag is not a form of enslaving people. Obviously, there are differences: one is bound up in economics, the other? I'm not sure - possibly political but certainly not economic.

Justme696 -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:49:39 PM)
People who dislike a whole country are ill... A few years ago..I had some problems with Americans, and they with me, concerning the subject " Irak". I almost got killed by them (not really of course). I couldn't stand the nationalisme..the blind following of the leaders. OF course..serving your county is a great thing....but when I mentioned the soldiers are there for oil..and not for national safety... the forum was a little to small. I always had a little problem with America trying to be "father" of the world....while beeing far away and safe themselfs....untill 9-11. It is sad to see that afther that the public opinion changed. That this was needed to change thoughts. On the other side...I am glad my country is loyal to the NATO and the USA..and I support that fully...because the USA does a lott of good things also in the world. And with out them...(Even though long ago) Europe would have been different. LEts be glad..we are all so different...and lets learn from eachother...but to hate a whole country is stupid...(hate their leaders lol)

celticlord2112 -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:49:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Stalin's Gulag system was at least as bad as slavery was in antebellum America. I'd like you to explain how. 10% of Gulag populations died each year. Those that did not die were given inadequate food, shelter, clothing, and medical care. It was an reincarnation of Russian serfdom that had existed under the Tsar's. Moreover, anyone could be sent to the gulags at any time, with no warning and no trial. When you enslave an entire nation....in my book, yes, that's worse than pre-Civil Wad slavery.

Politesub53 -> RE: ouch- USA people hated (2/1/2008 12:51:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Celtic Lord and Alumbrado. I would think that the majority of people consider the WWW as the Internet. Im not re defining or back tracking on anything. This is just my opinion, rightly or wrongly. Your are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. The www is not the internet. It uses the internet. Firm No argument from me there Firmhand. I would still love to know how many people consider the www and the Internet as the same thing though. Alumbrado.... I was arguing purely about the issues of the Internet. Nothing else.

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