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kc692 -> RE: sub/slave/property (1/31/2008 10:16:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lauren0221

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ORIGINAL: kc692


Yuuuuuuuck!!Who would want that job?????? It's thankless, and I know personally I'm not nice enough!!!!![sm=banana.gif]


I dunno KC - I could see you going all Domme on people's asses:)


Thank ya, Thank ya, lol



kc692 -> RE: sub/slave/property (1/31/2008 10:19:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: kc692

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

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when I see terms like "levels of submission" tossed around there is an underlying hint of "I'm at a higher level, look how great I am".


Well "Levels of submission "was never used. Unless it was typed in super CM invisable font I was unable to see. 
Why is it a question cannot just be read and answered?

Oh look she used the word level in her question- that must mean she thinks she's better. 

You know, too much thinking there is a underlying hint- assuming and disecting of words goes on which seems to lead certain threads down a path of distruction


Are  you in training to become a Mod?


Yuuuuuuuck!!Who would want that job?????? It's thankless, and I know personally I'm not nice enough!!!!![sm=banana.gif]


Is being nice a requirement of the job?


Let me rephrase that....no, being nice is not a requirement(actually I don't think it is possible with some people anyway) however,  being impartial and still observing the rights of regular people and idiots equally is, and that is something I am not able to do.....is why I don't answer on a lot of threads.....I know my mouth will take over and my impartiality would go out the window!!!



swtnsparkling -> RE: sub/slave/property (1/31/2008 10:22:39 PM)

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Nope but level was, which can easily be taken for "levels of submission".


Easily, really ?  Well I guess I'm not easy then. I read the question to mean from  personal perspective as cherry mentioned

I was not trying to figure out what the OP  must of meant  lol





SimplyMichael -> RE: sub/slave/property (1/31/2008 11:17:17 PM)

I lease mine but I am going to negotiate to buy it.



hisannabelle -> RE: sub/slave/property (1/31/2008 11:27:40 PM)

greetings takenbyjohnr,

i consider myself to be an owned slave, the property of my master. i know that for many being considered property is a difficult thing to swallow; for me it took a long time to understand that it's possible to be both human and to be property (consensually speaking). being property makes me no less a human being, a woman, or anything else - it simply means he has ownership of me (to us, at least), the same he does of his house, his car, etc. i'm just a bit more complex, is all ;)

i don't believe that there is such a thing as different "levels" of submission, although i think there are plenty of people who need different things. some people need submission but according to their preferences; some want submission only in the bedroom; some want submission except for their ums, their vote, their money, whatever. i choose not to set limitations, but that doesn't make me "subbier than thou," it just means that that's how i'm happy within relationship. lots of different dynamics are what make lots of different people happy in different ways. it isn't more or less.

respectfully,
annabelle.



MsPleasure -> RE: sub/slave/property (1/31/2008 11:39:15 PM)

I'm only interested in Obedience...for now.



eyesopened -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 1:51:00 AM)

i am a slave because Master says so.  i have seen how He takes care of His property so being His property sounds wonderful to me.  In my quest for my ideal Dominant, i said that 'He sometimes doesn't know which he loves more, me or his Harley but treats both with equal use and care.'  my Master says He loves me more than The Other Bitch but i'm sure it's close, very, very close.  Of course He wouldn't leave me outside on a cold, rainy day but my guess is if He could haul Her upstairs and park Her in the bedroom, He would.  When we move to our new place, she will have her own room (garage) and i won't, but then i'll get to sleep with Master and she won't.  He loves her, He cares for her every need, He defends her, He is mindful every minute for her safety.  Now, i can do things she can't.  All she can do is suck, bang, and blow, and give us both a fabulous ride.... but i can cook!



Rayne58 -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 2:23:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Probably the word level. Personally, when I see terms like "levels of submission" tossed around there is an underlying hint of "I'm at a higher level, look how great I am".

My .02


Yes that was my first impression and I apologise to the OP if I have got it wrong.  I have come across the "level of submission" thing before.  It makes me feel a bit inadequate sometimes [8|] 

That first marriage has definitely coloured my views on the concept of ownership and being property.  Ex was jealous, possessive and insecure and hated me even talking to other men.  I really felt trapped.  I don't ever want to feel that way again.




RCdc -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 3:06:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: takenbyjohnr07

Are all sub/slaves/property owned by their Dominants? i read that some think they are owned and somne say they are not no matter what title they use. So at what level would you consider yourself being owned if you would at all?


I got what you meant by level.[;)]
 
But regardless of that, it wouldn't matter to me.  What matters and is my concern is what Darcy desires.  When Darcy instructs - 'you are owned' - I am owned.  Once I submitted to him, I submit to what he decides I submitted to his authority and his decision.
 
When it comes down to other s-types and property, that is down to their individual relationship.
 
the.dark. 



camille65 -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 4:18:33 AM)

I couldn't tell you what level I am lol, all I know is that I belong to him. For awhile I tried to figure out what slot, what level, what lable I am supposed to be *shrug* then I realised that every single person without question has their own view of what those words mean. So.... I haven't a designated definitive definition except that I am his. Happily. [:)]



pettingdragons -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 4:45:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Zechriel
I thought I was a submissive b/c the word "slave" has such negative connotations for me, like the word "witch". 
Love,
Zechriel
-Master's slave angel


LOL  I am a proud Witch but no ones slave...LOL  :)

Pamela



sambamanslilgirl -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 5:06:41 AM)

~fast reply~

i'm owned by Daddy however SO's merely leasing me



AquaticSub -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 5:42:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

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Nope but level was, which can easily be taken for "levels of submission".


Easily, really ?  Well I guess I'm not easy then. I read the question to mean from  personal perspective as cherry mentioned

I was not trying to figure out what the OP  must of meant  lol





You took it one way. Others took it another. This is hardly a new concept on the boards nor is it worth getting upset about. It doesn't mean someone sat there, pondering every meaning of every word. It just means two people read something and came away with two different feelings.

If it upsets people to be misunderstood they can be clearer. After all, one of the first things I was taught when it comes to writing for others is that people are going to read it from their own perspective, not mine.

Since you didn't ask... no I don't think the OP really has a subblier than thou feeling to it. But I do understand how someone can get that feeling from it.



ravennfyre -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 5:50:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rayne58

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ORIGINAL: takenbyjohnr07

Are all sub/slaves/property owned by their Dominants? i read that some think they are owned and somne say they are not no matter what title they use. So at what level would you consider yourself being owned if you would at all?


Thinking about the bolded part - here's where I think it gets into the "subbier than thou" territory.  Because I am a submissive who doesn't consider herself owned, and doesn't want to be, how does that make me somehow inferior to someone who proclaims to be owned property? [8|]

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Isn't diversity great?  We're all different and there's plenty of room under the big BDSM tent for all of us.


 
slavegirljoy, thank you for that quote [:)]  With your permission I'd like to use it in my sig line on another site I frequent [:)]
 



I agree with you, Rayne...I'm not owned, not wanting to be owned, and you're right... the whole idea of "subbier/slavier than thou" makes me want to gag...I've been submissive to a couple of great Dominants, but it was my choice not to be owned by either... not everyone NEEDS to be owned...awesome thoughts, Rayne!



MissHarlet -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 9:37:58 AM)

As I read this all I think is <SIGH>  once again we get sidetracked on that the OP meant instead of shareing ideas and thoughts on a subject.  Perhaps we should stop assumeing and ask the OP if we arent sure what they mean.  When I read it .. I thought it meant "at what point in time do you feel you become property"....yet another meaning ... we each read into everything what we see based on our personal experiences.  Perhaps our answers would be clearer if we stated something to the effect.



swtnsparkling -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 10:26:15 AM)

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This is hardly a new concept on the boards nor is it worth getting upset about.

I agree   You really shouldnt.



BlackPhx -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 10:28:42 AM)

100% and semi-legally as well since we are married. Ok so the courts say you can't own a person and you have to divide things if you get divorced...it's still closer than you can get otherwise legally.

poenkitten



AquaticSub -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 10:56:04 AM)

Should I assume that was a general "you" and not directed specifically at me?



PrimeVector -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 11:08:51 AM)

Yes there are many definitions of "owned". 

I think the most "striking" instance of my experience regarding this was when I was at a local BDSM club with my then-current sub-slut girl.  We'd been seeing each other and scening together for several months at this point, were very familiar with each other and enjoying our relationship together. 

We'd made no formal "Owner/sub" contract or agreement or anything, but it was generally known in the local community that she was "with me", etc.

This particular night she was wearing my collar around her beautiful neck, and standing next to me as we were standing on the edge of the public play area, watching the action, when her OLD Top came up in front of us.  He greeted us nicely enough, but then decided that he still had the "right" to reach out and physically not only touch her, but to actually touch, grab, and proceed to "play with" the metal ring set into the leather of my collar, which of course was still around her neck.  Not anything rough or yanking it or anything... BUT the mere fact of his unexpected physicality and insulting mien
upon what I considered to be MY PROPERTY, AT LEAST FOR THE DURATION OF THE COLLAR AROUND HER NECK THAT EVENING, was very off-putting to not only myself, but also several of the individuals in the immediate area who witnessed it.

ONE of those individuals happend to be the director of the club who, of course was familiar with the situation.  Needless to say the "gentleman" who acted inappropriatley was given a warning as to his behavior.

As for me, I am VERY GLAD I held my temper and took the high road in my reaction to his insulting behavior. 

So, that incident brings me to what "property" can mean: it can be, like any other property, a temporary possesion, which nevertheless, while it is yours, you may do with it what you wish, including putting up "NO TRESPASSING" signs, so to speak, in the form of a collar or other tags.

People that come onto your property, so to speak, ignoring the "NO TRESPASSING" signs are rude and guilty of commiting infractions.



akisha -> RE: sub/slave/property (2/1/2008 11:19:24 AM)

~FR~

I have no problem being called His property as long as I'm treasured human property and treated as such, but in my relationship it will be two-fold. I am his but he is mine as well.



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