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ORIGINAL: urtoy

I'm not sure that Japan's low crime rate can be explained solely by a strict criminal code or by capital punishment. Japanese culture (and the lack of diversity thereof) likely play a role as well.

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

Earlier it was said that the United States was the only western democracy to employ the death penalty, yet Texas uses the death penalty more than all the other states with the death penalty combined.  The Unites States has a cupcake judical system compared to almost every other country in the world, yet we are the only one hounded for employing "cruel and unusual" punishments for criminals.  In most cases, it seems like the criminals have more rights than the victims.  It makes me sick.

I like Japan's method of hanging.  Criminals understand that if you fuck up in Japan, China, or even Singapore (remember the kid who was caned for vandalism), you are going to be punished.  I bet the kid in Singapore doesn't vandalize anything again.  The US needs to employ stricter punishments for criminals, including more creative methods for executions.  I say follow our Asian and African counterparts lead and employ some of their methods of punishment for criminals.  If you're caught stealing, your hand is chopped off.  If you murder someone, the government gets to kill you back.  Sounds like a plan to me!

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_on_re_as/japan_executions

I hear all the time how the U.S. is the only western democracy that still has the death penalty, which is true.  But I have always thought that was an ethnocentric, racist thing to say.  Japan is the world's second wealthiest country, but no one ever mentions the fact that they have a strict criminal justice system.  They also have one of the world's lowest crime rates.  But apparently it doesn't matter.  They aren't included in the discussion.  I guess they are just nothing but slant-eyed savages in the minds of death penalty opponents.

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ORIGINAL: urtoy

I'm not sure that Japan's low crime rate can be explained solely by a strict criminal code or by capital punishment. Japanese culture (and the lack of diversity thereof) likely play a role as well.

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If there was any logical basis for having the death penalty in today's society then maybe it would be more widespread. But I think the simple fact that the majority of countries in the world having abolished the death penalty tends to speak for itself.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

Earlier it was said that the United States was the only western democracy to employ the death penalty, yet Texas uses the death penalty more than all the other states with the death penalty combined.  The Unites States has a cupcake judical system compared to almost every other country in the world, yet we are the only one hounded for employing "cruel and unusual" punishments for criminals.  In most cases, it seems like the criminals have more rights than the victims.  It makes me sick.

I like Japan's method of hanging.  Criminals understand that if you fuck up in Japan, China, or even Singapore (remember the kid who was caned for vandalism), you are going to be punished.  I bet the kid in Singapore doesn't vandalize anything again.  The US needs to employ stricter punishments for criminals, including more creative methods for executions.  I say follow our Asian and African counterparts lead and employ some of their methods of punishment for criminals.  If you're caught stealing, your hand is chopped off.  If you murder someone, the government gets to kill you back.  Sounds like a plan to me!

Rubberpet:
I have heard that it is against the law to chew or posses gum in Singapore.
In another thread concerning caining in Singapore their is a video showing how it is done and the recovery room for the recipients of the caining.  Given that it is an ongoing process and Singapore is a really small country it does not seem to have had any effect on the crime rate.
As far as cutting of peoples hands for theft, are there any other parts of the constitution you disapprove of?  If you do not like the constitution of my country why do you live here?
thompson

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

I will tell you one thing, buddy. 

First off we are not buddies...I do not even know you.

My father is a Vietnam vet with the Marine Corps and he was wounded defending this country.
The fact that your daddy was in the suck means nothing.   He was not wounded defending this country.  Should you ever decide to read a little history you would find out that we attacked them not the other way around.
By the way who was he with?


I would enlist and defend this country myself if I were physically capable, but due to permanent injuries and other defects in my life, I am unable to serve MY country.
Are you saying that you are so disabled that you cannot serve in VISTA or the Peace Corps?


How dare you get high and mighty against me because I don't share the same pussy-fied views you do!?
 
Those pussified views happen to be the constitution. 
I will get high and mighty with you or anyone else who seeks to denigrate it. 


I was born here and it is the greatest country on the face of the earth and the freedoms given to us by the spilled blood of patriots are something I would die to defend.  I would give my life to defend this country no matter if I disagree with some of the laws and punishments of this great land.  I have my opinions and I have my views and no one shares every single, exact view.  So before you decide to start spitting out bullshit like you just did, remember who you are spewing it out to.
That would be some  flag waver who does not like the constitution of my country.

I'm someone who is willing to go overseas and die to protect this great nation.
Willing to die for it but don't approve of the constitution.  That is a curious position.  Are there any other parts of the constitution you don't approve of?


.the nation that give you the fucking freedom to criticize not only our elected officials, but also anyone you choose over the internet.
Yes that is why I like the constitution just the way it is.

So with all due respect, fuck you!
Enjoy your chat with Mod 11...be sure to tell her I said hi.

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

I will tell you one thing, buddy. 

First off we are not buddies...I do not even know you.

My father is a Vietnam vet with the Marine Corps and he was wounded defending this country.
The fact that your daddy was in the suck means nothing.   He was not wounded defending this country.  Should you ever decide to read a little history you would find out that we attacked them not the other way around.
By the way who was he with?


I would enlist and defend this country myself if I were physically capable, but due to permanent injuries and other defects in my life, I am unable to serve MY country.
Are you saying that you are so disabled that you cannot serve in VISTA or the Peace Corps?


How dare you get high and mighty against me because I don't share the same pussy-fied views you do!?
 
Those pussified views happen to be the constitution. 
I will get high and mighty with you or anyone else who seeks to denigrate it. 


I was born here and it is the greatest country on the face of the earth and the freedoms given to us by the spilled blood of patriots are something I would die to defend.  I would give my life to defend this country no matter if I disagree with some of the laws and punishments of this great land.  I have my opinions and I have my views and no one shares every single, exact view.  So before you decide to start spitting out bullshit like you just did, remember who you are spewing it out to.
That would be some  flag waver who does not like the constitution of my country.

I'm someone who is willing to go overseas and die to protect this great nation.
Willing to die for it but don't approve of the constitution.  That is a curious position.  Are there any other parts of the constitution you don't approve of?


.the nation that give you the fucking freedom to criticize not only our elected officials, but also anyone you choose over the internet.
Yes that is why I like the constitution just the way it is.

So with all due respect, fuck you!
Enjoy your chat with Mod 11...be sure to tell her I said hi.

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Muttling as I understand it, in most of Europe and the world, it is the norm that once arrested one is considered Guilty untill proven innocnet.  The opposite of what we have in the USA and England (Commonwealth).

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ORIGINAL: stella41b


What has the death penalty got to do with crime rates?

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Interesting to see also the effect that the American Medical Association's stance on medical professionals who take part in executions is having on the death penalty and its significant drop in the number of executions being carried out. States are finding it increasingly difficult to find technicians or medical professionals prepared to train prison staff for the 'IV 101' procedure which forms an essential part of the execution protocol for lethal injections. They are also finding it extremely difficult to find physicians willing to attend executions to carry out examinations of executed prisoners.

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Incidentally China has also adopted lethal injection as its main method of execution and these executions are carried out in mobile death units such as ambulances and buses.

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However I fail to see any sort of logical connection between the death penalty, crime rates and the wealth of a nation.

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As for the poster above who's advocating more diverse and 'peculiar' methods of execution in the US there are already five different methods of execution legislated for - how many more methods do you need? However there's such a thing known as the Eighth Amendment of the US Constitution protecting people against 'cruel and unusual' punishments.

The whole purpose of the death penalty is to carry out sentence of death as quickly and humanely as possible, if ever you can have such a thing as a humane execution. ***I worry about the mentality of these people calling for more diverse and peculiar executions. I really do.*** 

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Heard on NPR not long ago that there is doubt that lethal injections are painless and do not cause suffering.

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ORIGINAL: Shawn1066

I'm for the death penalty.  Even if it doesn't specifically deter crime(I've seen stats to support both views, I dunno what to believe).  I just think some crimes should have a supreme price.  I also believe that it's not debasing a person's humanity in any way.  It's holding them accountable, to the highest degree, for their actions as a human being.  It actually reaffirms their humanity.

Of course, I can perfectly see the logic of people who think that the death penalty is an archaic idea that should be abolished.  So, I really won't tell them that they're wrong.  It's a person viewpoint that I can't/won't try to change.

DV's Fox

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

Be gone...I'm done with you!  Poof!
Poof....now ain't that just sweet as cake.

Edited to add this:  First off, how dare you come at me, disrespecting my father's service to his country?
No one was being disrespectful of  your fathers service.  I said that your father being in the suck had nothing to do with our discussion.  I further corrected your position that he was defending our country.  He was not, he was involved in an assault on a sovereign nation in contravention of agreements our government had signed.


It may have been an unpopular war, but at least he went overseas with a rifle in his hands and put his life on the line in service to his country.
And your point here would be?


Where was your old decrepit behind?
I corps 65,66 and 67.


You were probably out dodging the draft somewhere.  For your information, jerkwad, he was with the United States Marines.
Unless he was with 1/9 he was just another pogue.


Feel free to get high and mighty with a criminal that, God forbids, ever does you or your family harm.  I hope you never have to experience the lack of justice that so many citizens endure because of a weak judicial system.  How many rapists and murderers get out of jail early or get short prison sentences?  Too many, if you ask me. 
Seventy percent of the people in the joint are there for drug related crimes.  If you cut them loose there would be room for real criminals.


Read this carefully as I'll type this slowly so you and your selective reading ass can understand this...I never said I don't approve of the constitution.  I may not agree with the way the punishments for criminals are handled, but I certainly believe in the constitution.  Big difference, buddy.
As I mentioned before you ain't my buddy cuz I don't know you.  The constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.  You advocate cutting off peoples hands for stealing.  That is against the constitution.


Now I'm done with you!  Be gone!
Ain't you just sweet as cake.

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

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ORIGINAL: Shawn1066

I'm for the death penalty.  Even if it doesn't specifically deter crime(I've seen stats to support both views, I dunno what to believe).  I just think some crimes should have a supreme price.  I also believe that it's not debasing a person's humanity in any way.  It's holding them accountable, to the highest degree, for their actions as a human being.  It actually reaffirms their humanity.

Of course, I can perfectly see the logic of people who think that the death penalty is an archaic idea that should be abolished.  So, I really won't tell them that they're wrong.  It's a person viewpoint that I can't/won't try to change.

DV's Fox

I don't care much about if or if not the Death Penalty deters crime. I also don't think that it debases dignity nor is archaic. I am definetly for the Death Penalty under most circumstances.

The only problem I see with the Death Penalty is that new technology and DNA testing procedure is proving convicted murderers to be innocent. Having wittnesses and or being caught on tape is one thing. Using circumstancial evidence and DNA traces, finger prints, etc... to convict and sentence the Death Penalty is another.

Some DNA crime labs have already been busted for inncorrectly examining evidence. Machines where not properly caliberated with the right chemicals and such. Some of these mistakes where not caught untill years later after someone has been convicted of the crime.

If found guilty based on evidence alone,  I'd rather see the convicted get life in prison for the sake of new technology or evidence having the chance to change the ruleing. Untill such time, the person is still guilty according to what we currently have.   

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

That's nothing, China executes them by the dozen.
"Ten gallows, no waiting."
No tickey, no shirtey.