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slaveboyforyou -> Japan hangs three death-row inmates (1/31/2008 7:00:14 PM)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_on_re_as/japan_executions

I hear all the time how the U.S. is the only western democracy that still has the death penalty, which is true.  But I have always thought that was an ethnocentric, racist thing to say.  Japan is the world's second wealthiest country, but no one ever mentions the fact that they have a strict criminal justice system.  They also have one of the world's lowest crime rates.  But apparently it doesn't matter.  They aren't included in the discussion.  I guess they are just nothing but slant-eyed savages in the minds of death penalty opponents.




PrizedPosession -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (1/31/2008 7:05:07 PM)

i know this isn't your point, but i am anti-death penalty and being part Japanese i don't think that at all...
Besides Japan has been known for having..."peculiar' methods on how to deal with things. Beheading WW2 POWs even though most just did the firing squad and seppuku.






popeye1250 -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (1/31/2008 7:11:11 PM)

That's nothing, China executes them by the dozen.
"Ten gallows, no waiting."
No tickey, no shirtey.




FangsNfeet -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (1/31/2008 8:39:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

That's nothing, China executes them by the dozen.
"Ten gallows, no waiting."
No tickey, no shirtey.


Gallows in China? The only exicutions I've seen in China where done with being blind folded, forced to your knees, and shot in the head from behind.




popeye1250 -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (1/31/2008 8:48:25 PM)

Fangs, no, they hang them there too.




Arpig -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (1/31/2008 9:09:21 PM)

Good point slaveboy, I was unaware that Japan even had a death penalty, even though I went to high school there.




Muttling -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (1/31/2008 11:27:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

That's nothing, China executes them by the dozen.
"Ten gallows, no waiting."
No tickey, no shirtey.


Gallows in China? The only exicutions I've seen in China where done with being blind folded, forced to your knees, and shot in the head from behind.



Actually, China also executes them by "other methods" as well.   Specifically methods that provides them with the best opportunity to harvest the organs for transplant.




popeye1250 -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (1/31/2008 11:50:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

quote:

ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

That's nothing, China executes them by the dozen.
"Ten gallows, no waiting."
No tickey, no shirtey.


Gallows in China? The only exicutions I've seen in China where done with being blind folded, forced to your knees, and shot in the head from behind.



Actually, China also executes them by "other methods" as well.   Specifically methods that provides them with the best opportunity to harvest the organs for transplant.


Correct Muttling.
No-one wants a brain with a bullet hole in it now do they?




Leatherist -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 12:05:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

quote:

ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

That's nothing, China executes them by the dozen.
"Ten gallows, no waiting."
No tickey, no shirtey.


Gallows in China? The only exicutions I've seen in China where done with being blind folded, forced to your knees, and shot in the head from behind.



Actually, China also executes them by "other methods" as well.   Specifically methods that provides them with the best opportunity to harvest the organs for transplant.


Correct Muttling.
No-one wants a brain with a bullet hole in it now do they?


Decapititation works well. Organs and not viable for transplant if too much trauma is introduced into the endocrine system.




meatcleaver -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 12:46:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_on_re_as/japan_executions

I hear all the time how the U.S. is the only western democracy that still has the death penalty, which is true.  But I have always thought that was an ethnocentric, racist thing to say.  Japan is the world's second wealthiest country, but no one ever mentions the fact that they have a strict criminal justice system.  They also have one of the world's lowest crime rates.  But apparently it doesn't matter.  They aren't included in the discussion.  I guess they are just nothing but slant-eyed savages in the minds of death penalty opponents.


The reason the US is criticized by many western countries over the death penalty is because the US sees itself as the leading western democracy in the world, claims to be christian, claims to have the best judicial syatem in the world and claims to fight for civilisation (Most western countries don't see state murder as civilised anymore). An American friend who lives over here, witnessed the publicity surrounding an execution of a young black man (in Texas I believe) who appeared not to have a fair trial in the sense that his defence team appeared to be totally incompetent and even the prosecuting evidence appeared weak and the man was too mentally deficient to assess and protest about his incompetent defence team. My friend was shocked and declared the US does appear cold, uncaring and unjust when shown in those terms.




rubberpet -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 5:32:57 AM)

Earlier it was said that the United States was the only western democracy to employ the death penalty, yet Texas uses the death penalty more than all the other states with the death penalty combined.  The Unites States has a cupcake judical system compared to almost every other country in the world, yet we are the only one hounded for employing "cruel and unusual" punishments for criminals.  In most cases, it seems like the criminals have more rights than the victims.  It makes me sick.[:'(]

I like Japan's method of hanging.  Criminals understand that if you fuck up in Japan, China, or even Singapore (remember the kid who was caned for vandalism), you are going to be punished.  I bet the kid in Singapore doesn't vandalize anything again.  The US needs to employ stricter punishments for criminals, including more creative methods for executions.  I say follow our Asian and African counterparts lead and employ some of their methods of punishment for criminals.  If you're caught stealing, your hand is chopped off.  If you murder someone, the government gets to kill you back.  Sounds like a plan to me!




Aubre -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 5:44:53 AM)

Yeah, but China is the king. They can sentence you to death for 68 different crimes. They perform 90% of the the world's executions, and they make big bucks selling organs to the highest bidder around the world. Some have even suggested that orders for organs determine when people get executed so that the organs are fresh.

"Yay, I got the organ I needed to live, and it came from someone who was sentenced to death for protesting the lack of freedom of speech in China!"

Wheee




stella41b -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 7:28:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_on_re_as/japan_executions

I hear all the time how the U.S. is the only western democracy that still has the death penalty, which is true. But I have always thought that was an ethnocentric, racist thing to say. Japan is the world's second wealthiest country, but no one ever mentions the fact that they have a strict criminal justice system. They also have one of the world's lowest crime rates. But apparently it doesn't matter. They aren't included in the discussion. I guess they are just nothing but slant-eyed savages in the minds of death penalty opponents.


What has the death penalty got to do with crime rates?

This is a logical fallacy supporters of the death penalty have, that people commit capital crimes knowing they're going to get the death penalty. This is quite naive when you consider the two stage capital trial process after Furman 1976, the work of the NCADP, the DPIC, and a few dozen American Supreme Court judgments such as Lockett vs Ohio, Edmunds vs Florida, and so on.

Yes, 38 states have the death penalty in their legislation, but only about six or eight states actively use it, including Texas and Virginia which together account for nearly half of all the executions carried out in the US, and there are only three counties in the entire country where state prosecutors routinely seek the death penalty, one is in Pennsylvania and the other two in Texas, one of which is Harris County.

Interesting to see also the effect that the American Medical Association's stance on medical professionals who take part in executions is having on the death penalty and its significant drop in the number of executions being carried out. States are finding it increasingly difficult to find technicians or medical professionals prepared to train prison staff for the 'IV 101' procedure which forms an essential part of the execution protocol for lethal injections. They are also finding it extremely difficult to find physicians willing to attend executions to carry out examinations of executed prisoners.

Some of these 38 states have already moved firmly in the direction of abolition - Illinois, New York, and New Jersey to give but three examples.

Incidentally China has also adopted lethal injection as its main method of execution and these executions are carried out in mobile death units such as ambulances and buses.

However I fail to see any sort of logical connection between the death penalty, crime rates and the wealth of a nation.

As for the poster above who's advocating more diverse and 'peculiar' methods of execution in the US there are already five different methods of execution legislated for - how many more methods do you need? However there's such a thing known as the Eighth Amendment of the US Constitution protecting people against 'cruel and unusual' punishments.

The whole purpose of the death penalty is to carry out sentence of death as quickly and humanely as possible, if ever you can have such a thing as a humane execution. I worry about the mentality of these people calling for more diverse and peculiar executions. I really do.

If there was any logical basis for having the death penalty in today's society then maybe it would be more widespread. But I think the simple fact that the majority of countries in the world having abolished the death penalty tends to speak for itself.




thompsonx -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 8:00:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

Earlier it was said that the United States was the only western democracy to employ the death penalty, yet Texas uses the death penalty more than all the other states with the death penalty combined.  The Unites States has a cupcake judical system compared to almost every other country in the world, yet we are the only one hounded for employing "cruel and unusual" punishments for criminals.  In most cases, it seems like the criminals have more rights than the victims.  It makes me sick.[:'(]

I like Japan's method of hanging.  Criminals understand that if you fuck up in Japan, China, or even Singapore (remember the kid who was caned for vandalism), you are going to be punished.  I bet the kid in Singapore doesn't vandalize anything again.  The US needs to employ stricter punishments for criminals, including more creative methods for executions.  I say follow our Asian and African counterparts lead and employ some of their methods of punishment for criminals.  If you're caught stealing, your hand is chopped off.  If you murder someone, the government gets to kill you back.  Sounds like a plan to me!

Rubberpet:
I have heard that it is against the law to chew or posses gum in Singapore.
In another thread concerning caining in Singapore their is a video showing how it is done and the recovery room for the recipients of the caining.  Given that it is an ongoing process and Singapore is a really small country it does not seem to have had any effect on the crime rate.
As far as cutting of peoples hands for theft, are there any other parts of the constitution you disapprove of?  If you do not like the constitution of my country why do you live here?
thompson









seeksfemslave -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 8:09:18 AM)

Any jurisdiction that imposes a hard but fair sentencing policy can expect crime to diminish.
Any jurisdiction that does the opposite is asking for trouble...and gets it.

The problem is defining both hard and fair.
I think the soft sentimental idealists who have control especially here in the UK should have the intellectual honesty to recognise their methods have failed and allow different approaches to be made.

Ohh the death penaly: I'm for it in principle. I think people do things for which they deserve to be "got rid of".
I even apply this to those defined by psychiatrists as being mentally ill.In this situation the  defining factor for me is how they have conducted their lives.

My general solution is Hard Labour backed up by corporal punishment as a last resort. Kick the "do gooders" in to touch and use the squillions saved to give financial help to those emerging from the prison system. If they then offend again a very long prison sentence is to be expected.




Shawn1066 -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 8:10:41 AM)

I'm for the death penalty.  Even if it doesn't specifically deter crime(I've seen stats to support both views, I dunno what to believe).  I just think some crimes should have a supreme price.  I also believe that it's not debasing a person's humanity in any way.  It's holding them accountable, to the highest degree, for their actions as a human being.  It actually reaffirms their humanity.

Of course, I can perfectly see the logic of people who think that the death penalty is an archaic idea that should be abolished.  So, I really won't tell them that they're wrong.  It's a person viewpoint that I can't/won't try to change.

DV's Fox




joanus -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 9:01:43 AM)

I thought every one knew that Japan had the Death penalty. Being japanese or (in my case) part japanese has no baring on what people think. Yes Japan does have some of the lowest crime in the world. Maybe America could learn a thing or two.




Moloch -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 10:02:37 AM)

Beats Saudi  "Justice" system....
Vagina = Guilty....




Muttling -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 10:03:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joanus

I thought every one knew that Japan had the Death penalty. Being japanese or (in my case) part japanese has no baring on what people think. Yes Japan does have some of the lowest crime in the world. Maybe America could learn a thing or two.



The Japanese criminal justice system as a whole is rather questionable.   Suspects can be held for up to 23 days without being charges, without right to legal counsel, and without right to contact individuals outside the prison.

There is no right to a jury trial in Japan, but that will be changing in 2009.

And then you have the aspect of beauracracy and politics in Japan.   A guilty verdict is a foregone conclusion when a case goes to trial there and the conviction rate is over 98%.  There have been a great many discussions concerning forced confessions in Japan with several such cases coming to light (including capital punishment cases.)

On the subject of low crime rates and learning a thing or two, perhaps Japan should be taking notes from Saudi Arabia who's crime rate is roughly 1/10th that of Japan's.




urtoy -> RE: Japan hangs three death-row inmates (2/1/2008 10:12:34 AM)

I'm not sure that Japan's low crime rate can be explained solely by a strict criminal code or by capital punishment. Japanese culture (and the lack of diversity thereof) likely play a role as well.




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