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thetammyjo -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 6:57:39 AM)
My students can't figure out my political philosophies, I doubt any of you could though I'm sure some might try. Why should that matter compared to my experience in BDSM? It only matters to me when I'm thinking of adding someone new to the household because I want as much of a community feeling as possible.

Shawn1066 -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 7:02:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticHeart It never ceases to amaze me that people who are choosing to live an alternative lifestyle would vote for a member of a political party that would stop them from living the way they want to, if they found out about it. It makes no sense, whatsoever. Rosemary Don't confuse certain aspects of the religious right wing for the entirity of the religious right or the Republican party as a whole.(Which I'll assume you're referring too) A core conservative principle is that the Government should let us live our lives how we want to, basically. Which is why I disagree with the part of the Republican Party who wants an outright ban on Gay Marriage, for example. While I see how it fits into the ideaology...I don't think it's necessarily compatable with how I view the values of the party. I do agree, however, with a lot of the party when I believe it's something that's up to the states to decide individually, and not the Supreme Courts. As a closer. I find politics is only divisive if you -let- it be divisive. All of my friends are liberal Democrats. We get along fine, even if things tend to get a tad tense every November or so. Most of the time, however, we have nice, mature discussions. As I said in my previous post, I think... My Owner and I really don't discuss politics too much. She knows how I feel, and I really don't have a desire to shove it down her throat too much. I know sometimes she'll just tolerate discussion, though, to make me happy...and I love her for it. If this somehow doesn't make any sense, please excuse me. It's still early... DV's Fox

thetammyjo -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 7:09:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticHeart It never ceases to amaze me that people who are choosing to live an alternative lifestyle would vote for a member of a political party that would stop them from living the way they want to, if they found out about it. It makes no sense, whatsoever. Rosemary People who have authority and power often succumb to the corruption of wanting to control other people's lives with force if necessary. That isn't unique to any party. However my bigger confusion is why someone would back a party that makes contradictory claims. You can find examples of this in all parties. I don't back parties, I support individuals who seem to agree with what my own philosophy of government is.

OmegaG -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 7:14:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jackriddle Hi, I confess, I'm a social disaster... can't keep my mouth off 'bad' topics after dinner, namely religion, politics... and sex of course. People end up fighting, but hey, if it's not to talk about things that matter to us, why talk at all! So I've had for a long time a question nagging me, mainly because I -for different reasons- never had access to any 'community' where I could exchange views with other like minded folks: Is the D/s community leaning towards a specifical political side ? Logically, I'd say that a man who likes to be served by a submissive woman should be having a more right wing/conservative state of mind... but that's my case and I'm rather on the other side. I'd particularly love to hear views from anyone having had interactions with a wide range of people within the BDSM community... Did you notice anything? Are certain profiles clearly ideologically defined? Thanks for any imput ! Jack I'm fiscally conservative, but I also lean more towards the Jeffersonian model of Republicanism and I am socially Libertarian.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 7:20:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub We are a male dom/fem sub couple and are both very liberal. He firmly believes that a woman should be able to be whatever she wants, otherwise her decision to be his doesn't mean as much. Actually...the idea of a woman being what she wants to be while still acting in a "traditional" submissive manner is more in line with the conservative ideal. Witness all the "liberated" feminists' who are not submissive who just do not seem to get the "submissive" woman and who see her as somehow abused...they want to save her from her "abusive" dominant and/or herself. I tend to be a rather weird mix...conservative in many areas, moderate in many areas. I want my partner to be all that she wants to be and I want to help and guide her and yes, dominate her. I feel that it is an interesting paradox...most women who are submissive made a conscious choice to be so and is that not truly the whole idea behind "liberation"? The freedom to choose?

OmegaG -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 7:28:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub We are a male dom/fem sub couple and are both very liberal. He firmly believes that a woman should be able to be whatever she wants, otherwise her decision to be his doesn't mean as much. Actually...the idea of a woman being what she wants to be while still acting in a "traditional" submissive manner is more in line with the conservative ideal. Witness all the "liberated" feminists' who are not submissive who just do not seem to get the "submissive" woman and who see her as somehow abused...they want to save her from her "abusive" dominant and/or herself. I tend to be a rather weird mix...conservative in many areas, moderate in many areas. I want my partner to be all that she wants to be and I want to help and guide her and yes, dominate her. I feel that it is an interesting paradox...most women who are submissive made a conscious choice to be so and is that not truly the whole idea behind "liberation"? The freedom to choose? Conservatives has one ideal for women and they think all women should fit into that mold. Liberals have another and expect all women to rejoyce in that role. Neither side sees that true feminism is about individual choice, that the woman who chooses to stay home and raise children has the exact same worth as the woman who chooses to be childfree and run a fortune 500 company and both of them need to get off their high horses and understand that women who choose to work or need to work while raising a family are just as good as they are. When people get out of their "once size fits all" paradigms, the world will be a happier place.

subtee -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 7:40:13 AM)
Hi John; As usual, excellent post and acroamatic writing. I've been to your Web site--thedomsview.com--and I dig it. However, I think it's valid to wonder if perhaps those who might be considered "sinners that are doomed to eternal damnation, [or] misogynists, abusers and victims in need of mental health treatment and long prison sentences" might also be liberal in the more austere definition of the word, or more conservative in espousing what would certainly be at least a troubling dynamic for what I would asume would be a not insiginificant percentage of NOW members. So perhaps the question the OP is asking is not what the polititical bodies (as they exist) might do or not do for us, but what our individual choices are in terms of politics and whether those choices are informed by WiiTWD, and/or do our political leanings inform the path we take in WiiTWD. [Edited because I don't get my first wind until around 2 p.m.]

breatheasone -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 9:03:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Littlepita I'm a conservative republican and he is a conservative Independent Right -on, [sm=applause.gif]

gorgeous1 -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 9:21:06 AM)
We are a Male Dominant/female submissive married couple. We are both registered Republicans, but I call myself an "Angry Republican". When I take political profile quizzes, I always come out leaning hard on the Libertarian side. I don't like to be labeled, and I don't vote the party line, although I must confess, I have NEVER voted for a Democrat. I believe that what people do in their homes is their business, and if it isn't hurting anyone, they should be left alone. Once you set your foot out into the public, I believe there should be rules and a certain pattern followed to keep order in society- that's where I disagree with libertarians- complete freedom will lead to chaos, I think. My ideal presidential candidate would be a mixture of Alan Keyes, Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo. I think that BOTH parties really suck and have lost sight of what their supporters want and value. They are too caught up in doing whatever is politically expedient, and they owe people too many favors. BOTH parties are guilty of screwing up this country royally. They BOTH are irresponsible with our money. The Democrats want to tax us to death and redistribute our wealth and spend it the way that they see fit. The Republicans have a play now, pay later attitude. They keep spending money and borrowing against our future. Neither way is working, is it?

Shawn1066 -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 9:25:28 AM)
That's very true. The two party system is rather bad...but I can't help but support what I see as the lesser of two evils. And, from my point of view, it's generally the Republican Party. Though I'm sure there's a Democrat out there I could vote for... I just haven't seen him or her yet, by any stretch of the imagination. DV's Fox

Rover -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 9:27:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subtee Hi John; As usual, excellent post and acroamatic writing. I've been to your Web site--thedomsview.com--and I dig it. However, I think it's valid to wonder if perhaps those who might be considered "sinners that are doomed to eternal damnation, [or] misogynists, abusers and victims in need of mental health treatment and long prison sentences" might also be liberal in the more austere definition of the word, or more conservative in espousing what would certainly be at least a troubling dynamic for what I would asume would be a not insiginificant percentage of NOW members. I'm not entirely sure of the question you're asking here, tee. I was simply using two stereotypes from opposite ends of the spectrum (one of conservatives, the other of liberals) in order to demonstrate that intolerance of BDSM is not limited to any one party or ideology. quote: So perhaps the question the OP is asking is not what the polititical bodies (as they exist) might do or not do for us, but what our individual choices are in terms of politics and whether those choices are informed by WiiTWD, and/or do our political leanings inform the path we take in WiiTWD. I can surely understand how and why our own views on life impact WIITWD on a personal level, and our choice in politics. I can further understand how and why WIITWD shapes how we view ourselves, and our values, and that in doing so that can impact our political choices (though WIITWD is far from the only factor that shapes our choices in this manner). However, my points are that we should not delude ourselves into thinking that those political choices will positively impact BDSM, that those choices will influence legislation favorable to BDSM, that those choices will make BDSM any more acceptable to the greater society, or that any political party uniquely embodies ideology that is either BDSM friendly or BDSM ufriendly (they all share elements of both). *In other words, there is no political party that is the* BDSM party (which is something that I often hear espoused, particularly by "leather leaders"). John**

gwendolyn -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 9:35:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticHeart It never ceases to amaze me that people who are choosing to live an alternative lifestyle would vote for a member of a political party that would stop them from living the way they want to, if they found out about it. It makes no sense, whatsoever. Some of us feel that our personal life is just that: personal. Master is a Republican (registered). We're also both Pagans. I've never seen a clash between the life we lead and our personal or political views. I'm a registered Democrat with rather conservative tendencies. It takes all kinds to make the world go round. Gwen

GreedyTop -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 9:41:33 AM)
VOTE FOR BARTLETT!!

gorgeous1 -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 9:48:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shawn1066 That's very true. The two party system is rather bad...but I can't help but support what I see as the lesser of two evils. And, from my point of view, it's generally the Republican Party. Though I'm sure there's a Democrat out there I could vote for... I just haven't seen him or her yet, by any stretch of the imagination. DV's Fox It's funny you used the term, "lesser of two evils". That's why I'm an angry Republican. I am sick of settling for mediocrity. Where is a leader that truly inspires us? Are either sides offering up a man or woman that truly inspires? That isn't afraid to say what they REALLY think rather than say what they think we want to hear? Will we ever see another Lincoln, Kennedy or a Reagan? This country is CONSTIPATED, folks. We have a log jam up there on Capitol Hill. We need some major changes over there, SOMETHING to stir up this country and quicken us once again, because the American people have been content to sleep in apathy while a handful of people run the show. I say, if you're evil, you're evil, and I will write my own name in AGAIN on the ballot this year unless somebody really inspires me.

Gwynvyd -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 9:54:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OmegaG quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub We are a male dom/fem sub couple and are both very liberal. He firmly believes that a woman should be able to be whatever she wants, otherwise her decision to be his doesn't mean as much. Actually...the idea of a woman being what she wants to be while still acting in a "traditional" submissive manner is more in line with the conservative ideal. Witness all the "liberated" feminists' who are not submissive who just do not seem to get the "submissive" woman and who see her as somehow abused...they want to save her from her "abusive" dominant and/or herself. I tend to be a rather weird mix...conservative in many areas, moderate in many areas. I want my partner to be all that she wants to be and I want to help and guide her and yes, dominate her. I feel that it is an interesting paradox...most women who are submissive made a conscious choice to be so and is that not truly the whole idea behind "liberation"? The freedom to choose? Conservatives has one ideal for women and they think all women should fit into that mold. Liberals have another and expect all women to rejoyce in that role. Neither side sees that true feminism is about individual choice, that the woman who chooses to stay home and raise children has the exact same worth as the woman who chooses to be childfree and run a fortune 500 company and both of them need to get off their high horses and understand that women who choose to work or need to work while raising a family are just as good as they are. When people get out of their "once size fits all" paradigms, the world will be a happier place. Bingo! very well put. Regardless of what you chose to do as a woman you should be respected. I believe in being allowed to chose our own paths, period. Be that Mother and house wife ( which my other half is.. and I value her contribution to our home as much as if she were out busting her ass in the work force she is busting it here at home) or of a exec, or hard worker. It should all be equaly seen as long as She decided that was best for her. ( if in a family situation both halves came to the decison. ) If a woman decided to submit, or be a dominant I think she should be viewed as equaly worthy, and valued. ( same for males or anyone ) Just my two ducats.. keep the change Gwyn

SailingBum -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 9:55:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jackriddle Thanks for those great inputs... However, I'm seeing several posts implying that there's no real link between the lifestyle and political convictions. Difficult for me to believe... Call me naive, but political convictions reflect deeper human values. So I ask: how can our personal values NOT be linked to such a deep life choice as D/s? I'm ready to believe that different outlooks on D/s (and there are so many, from what I read here!) can lead to different takes on life. I'm just curious to know whether there's a trend here. Jack PS: Sorry, I'm new... but how come I've got a vanilla Ice cream near my name??? I also want the handcuffs !! Ok your naive, somewhere around 50 % of the ppl don't vote in the pres elections far fewer in the in other ones. That should tell you something right there. BadOne

Gwynvyd -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 9:59:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop VOTE FOR BARTLETT!! Gods if there was such a person out there that would be that good... sighs I miss watching the West Wing damn it. The only one I ever got really excited about was Howie (Dean) If only they had let me put a mic in his ear and been his Jimmy Cricket... The moment he spoke from the heart 100% with out the normal political filters we knew it was all doomed. Gwyn

PanthersMom -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 10:00:26 AM)
we're both conservatives. PM

sexyred1 -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 10:01:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jackriddle However, I'm seeing several posts implying that there's no real link between the lifestyle and political convictions. Difficult for me to believe... Call me naive, but political convictions reflect deeper human values. So I ask: how can our personal values NOT be linked to such a deep life choice as D/s? Because: some of us did not make a "deep life choice" about how we are wired for our sexuality. And yes, some of us view D/s or BDSM as a sexual expression, not a service or lifestyle expression. Therefore, there is no personal value proposition within my sexual choices. So, when I make an informed choice on political and social issues, I am using my brain and intellect to decide what candidate may or may not help whatever issues are most important to my life and to the world in general. None of that has anything to do with my sexuality, which is intricately and forever tied to my interest in BDSM.

Dnomyar -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/1/2008 10:04:33 AM)
Im a gypsy. I wander all over the place. Take your political correctness and shove it.

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