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wkdshadow -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/9/2008 1:11:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jackriddle Hi, I confess, I'm a social disaster... can't keep my mouth off 'bad' topics after dinner, namely religion, politics... and sex of course. People end up fighting, but hey, if it's not to talk about things that matter to us, why talk at all! So I've had for a long time a question nagging me, mainly because I -for different reasons- never had access to any 'community' where I could exchange views with other like minded folks: Is the D/s community leaning towards a specifical political side ? Logically, I'd say that a man who likes to be served by a submissive woman should be having a more right wing/conservative state of mind... but that's my case and I'm rather on the other side. I'd particularly love to hear views from anyone having had interactions with a wide range of people within the BDSM community... Did you notice anything? Are certain profiles clearly ideologically defined? Thanks for any imput ! Jack The problem with the pseudo-two party system is people try to identify with either one or the other, despite the fact that they likely don't believe in the traditional views of each party. This gos for us especially, where you'll likely find if you try to pin your beliefs and practices to any specific party, you'll find you end up in the middle, disagreeing with much of the groupthink from both sides, which are heavily driven by special interest groups(Think of Intelligent Design in the classroom(see http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=g230jlvbqn for a good lecture on ID), abortion rights, same sex marriage, both sides turning America into Orwell's 1984, and the general disregard for the idea of a minimalistic government). I'd have to claim I'm independant.

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/9/2008 2:53:09 PM)
It is an interesting question, but not one that is necessarily a meaningful statistic. There are studies that go into this question deeply to explain why someone votes Democratic or Republican. So for all our flowery idealism, the major factor is…drum roll… how your parents voted. The next major factor…how much money you make. So give me those two bits of information and I’ll bet even odds all day that I can predict an individual’s political preference no matter the other groups he/she is in.

breatheasone -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/9/2008 4:47:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain It is an interesting question, but not one that is necessarily a meaningful statistic. There are studies that go into this question deeply to explain why someone votes Democratic or Republican. So for all our flowery idealism, the major factor is…drum roll… how your parents voted. The next major factor…how much money you make. So give me those two bits of information and I’ll bet even odds all day that I can predict an individual’s political preference no matter the other groups he/she is in. Well....I'm poor....and my parents are HARD core dems..... I however am VERY conservative, and Republican [;)] Perhaps I just grew out of it?....LOL

tulitukka -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/10/2008 2:28:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amayos quote: ORIGINAL: jackriddle Is the D/s community leaning towards a specific political side ? As far as what political side the D/s community is leaning toward, I would imagine it to be democrat or libertarian. Since Jesus freaks hijacked the republican party, I would imagine most in the BDSM community find it abhorrent to side with, which is unfortunate, because I think the original core values of that party were good. I would imagine that a lot of kink people would score relatively high on personal liberty axis and would be all over the place on the economic axis. That would make most of us Left liberals, centrists, or libertarians. See the wikipedia entry for the smallest political quiz, especially the picture for clarification. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_Smallest_Political_Quiz

MissSCD -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/10/2008 6:07:57 AM)
*I definitely have noticed that the majority of males tend to be republican. Subs tend to be republican.* *Very few Dommes tend to lean towards Democrats.* Just off the top of my head, I think it has to do with the entire male orintated dom thing, and submissives who serve them. I see it in chat rooms. I see it on posts especially the anti democrat forum over on off topic. *The sad part is that we are so afraid of having someone different be in the White House that we could miss a really good leader.* *I thnk it will happen regardless of how this site feels.* *Did I say that?* *grins* Regards, MissSCD It is time for a party change in Washington. Any change will do. Out with the old, and in with the new.

ClassAct2006 -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/10/2008 7:46:05 AM)
Sometimes I haven't ended up going out with a man if your political views were too different - thinking of two very left wing but otherwise very nice men here. I'm very submissive and in UK terms at least reasonably conservative.

sirguym -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/10/2008 8:30:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tulitukka See the wikipedia entry for the smallest political quiz, especially the picture for clarification. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_Smallest_Political_Quiz Interesting, I'd not come across that before. It certainly explain why I find so much common ground with people who self-define themselves as extreme Conservatives, whilst I consider myself an extreme Liberal - we're both Libertarians!

TracyTaken -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/10/2008 8:49:10 AM)
quote: Interesting, I'd not come across that before. It certainly explain why I find so much common ground with people who self-define themselves as extreme Conservatives, whilst I consider myself an extreme Liberal - we're both Libertarians! It can be a fine line.

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/10/2008 11:11:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone quote: ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain It is an interesting question, but not one that is necessarily a meaningful statistic. There are studies that go into this question deeply to explain why someone votes Democratic or Republican. So for all our flowery idealism, the major factor is…drum roll… how your parents voted. The next major factor…how much money you make. So give me those two bits of information and I’ll bet even odds all day that I can predict an individual’s political preference no matter the other groups he/she is in. Well....I'm poor....and my parents are HARD core dems..... I however am VERY conservative, and Republican [;)] Perhaps I just grew out of it?....LOL Ah, let's examine this more closely. Looking at your profile, I can guess at your age, I also know that many in Virginia were yellow dog Democrats (that is not a derogatory term, but a historical one) about the time you were growing up. If you note in my post, I said I would use information about how your parents voted to determine your party affiliation, but I did not say I would pick you to be of the same party, given more information such as locale.

Level -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/10/2008 11:16:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissSCD *I see it on posts especially the anti democrat forum over on off topic.* There are as many leftists over in Off Topic as there are those on the right.

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/10/2008 11:44:44 AM)
I'm kind of perplexed why this thread was left up here on the General BDSM Board, but since it was, I decided to add my thoughts.

Level -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/10/2008 11:47:43 AM)
I am too, Ex, I guess because it had "D/s" in the thread title, it got to stay [:D]

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/10/2008 12:12:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level I am too, Ex, I guess because it had "D/s" in the thread title, it got to stay [:D] Level, ha, guess someone is curious about our politics.

TheMistressBlue -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/11/2008 9:41:00 AM)
I am a conservative, NOT Republican but conservative politically. I know most in the lifestyle tend to be liberal. But I like people to keep their noses out of my business.

breatheasone -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/11/2008 12:45:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone quote: ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain It is an interesting question, but not one that is necessarily a meaningful statistic. There are studies that go into this question deeply to explain why someone votes Democratic or Republican. So for all our flowery idealism, the major factor is…drum roll… how your parents voted. The next major factor…how much money you make. So give me those two bits of information and I’ll bet even odds all day that I can predict an individual’s political preference no matter the other groups he/she is in. Well....I'm poor....and my parents are HARD core dems..... I however am VERY conservative, and Republican [;)] Perhaps I just grew out of it?....LOL Ah, let's examine this more closely. Looking at your profile, I can guess at your age, I also know that many in Virginia were yellow dog Democrats (that is not a derogatory term, but a historical one) about the time you were growing up. If you note in my post, I said I would use information about how your parents voted to determine your party affiliation, but I did not say I would pick you to be of the same party, given more information such as locale. I am a 44 year old mother of three(26; 23; 22) and grandmother of two(6 year old; 7 month old) I have been married to the same man for almost 25 years(as of Dec10th) I am also a high school drop out(if that matters, I did completed 10th grade) but passed the G.E.D. when I was in my early thirties. I was born and raised in Flint Michigan(ALL of my family was/is U.A.W.) I Moved to Norfolk area of Virginia at age twenty, as a Navy wife, and mother of one and a half(had a 2 y/o and one on the way) My husband and I have lived in Virginia 25 years now. He is no longer in the Navy, but works at a local shipyard, he is a mechanical engineer.

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/11/2008 3:17:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone quote: ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone quote: ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain It is an interesting question, but not one that is necessarily a meaningful statistic. There are studies that go into this question deeply to explain why someone votes Democratic or Republican. So for all our flowery idealism, the major factor is…drum roll… how your parents voted. The next major factor…how much money you make. So give me those two bits of information and I’ll bet even odds all day that I can predict an individual’s political preference no matter the other groups he/she is in. Well....I'm poor....and my parents are HARD core dems..... I however am VERY conservative, and Republican [;)] Perhaps I just grew out of it?....LOL Ah, let's examine this more closely. Looking at your profile, I can guess at your age, I also know that many in Virginia were yellow dog Democrats (that is not a derogatory term, but a historical one) about the time you were growing up. If you note in my post, I said I would use information about how your parents voted to determine your party affiliation, but I did not say I would pick you to be of the same party, given more information such as locale. I am a 44 year old mother of three(26; 23; 22) and grandmother of two(6 year old; 7 month old) I have been married to the same man for almost 25 years(as of Dec10th) I am also a high school drop out(if that matters, I did completed 10th grade) but passed the G.E.D. when I was in my early thirties. I was born and raised in Flint Michigan(ALL of my family was/is U.A.W.) I Moved to Norfolk area of Virginia at age twenty, as a Navy wife, and mother of one and a half(had a 2 y/o and one on the way) My husband and I have lived in Virginia 25 years now. He is no longer in the Navy, but works at a local shipyard, he is a mechanical engineer. What am I supposed to do, pick this apart and show how it relates to political affiliation? You've already said you vote Republican. Okay, you said your entire family in Michigan were UAW. Interesting, that you would include the mothers, grandmothers and children as being UAW. Solidarity and all that. Okay, that leads me to believe you vote the way your husband votes. He is retired Navy, a mechanical engineer, thus probably fits the income demographic that I referred to. Plus, a career military background would be a strong indicator. Now understand, nothing is 100% in predicting voting preferences, but each category would give me a better then 50-50 shot. Add them up and they can be fairly significant statistically in a large population. By the way, I feel like I know Flint, MI so well from Michael Moore's movie, Roger & Me.... "Rabbits for pets or food"

Shawn1066 -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/11/2008 3:20:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: MissSCD *I see it on posts especially the anti democrat forum over on off topic.* There are as many leftists over in Off Topic as there are those on the right. I've always looked at it as 70/30...with the leftists being the majority. DV's Fox

UberSadistNYC -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/11/2008 6:00:01 PM)
I am just your average every day sadistic, dominant, agnostic, pro-life, libertarian, Republican, over educated, under employed, Mets Fan living in Da Bronx. While I think that most people in the BDSM scene, particularly in NYC, are liberal and/or democrats, there are conservative and Republicans as well. As is true I imagine for every registered Republican or Democrat, I do not agree with my party 100% of the time. While I believe strongly in sexual freedom, and would happily vote to legalize same sex marriage (does that put me to the left of Hillary Clinton?), there are many social and religious conservatives in the GOP that feel differently. But there is a significant libertarian wing in my party as well. Overall, because of issues of economics, strict constructionist judges, and national security, I am Republican. Of course sometimes foreign policy issues can involve BDSM. I really thought that the Bush Administration was wrong to “out” Jack McGeorge over Iraq. (For those that don’t know, McGeorge is a former Marine and was one of Hans Blix’s weapons inspectors in Iraq. He was also the founder of Black Rose in DC). So I despite a few differences, I am a die hard Republican as well as a sadistic, dominant, agnostic, pro-life, libertarian. At least I am not a dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac. If I was I would never get any sleep, staying up all night wondering if there is a dog.

thelastfirstborn -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/11/2008 6:09:04 PM)
i'm also a social anarchist but registered as a democrat. i can't say i entirely trust either side because both dem. and rep. alike lie through their teeth to get their hideous agendas carried out. and the threat posed by the conservative "christian" right scares the hell out of me. these idiots are hellbent on finding a way to enforce their particular mindset of "live by our values or die" on the american population as a whole. the whole system as is scares me.

Alumbrado -> RE: Political orientation of D/s practitioners ? (2/11/2008 6:10:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shawn1066 quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: MissSCD *I see it on posts especially the anti democrat forum over on off topic.* There are as many leftists over in Off Topic as there are those on the right. I've always looked at it as 70/30...with the leftists being the majority. DV's Fox Being leftist and anti-Democrat is the only way to go. I've been LWOP since before 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'.

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