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RE: money - 2/3/2008 8:07:51 AM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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Some men unfortunately will always be left with one option to get a femdom to play with him -- he will have to pay her. It is this way because he is otherwise undesirable. Just as some men can't get laid unless they go to a hooker.

Akasha



I can't believe you're spouting this line again. This "Just World" stuff is a load of crap. I can only shake my head and wonder where you come up with this stuff.

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Cyberdude, professional Femdoms exist because of supply-and-demand factors: namely the steep ratio difference between femdoms to malesubs.

If malesubs had to be losers to pay for professional dominatrix services, than that would mean everyone in Aakasha's training class was a loser. I'm sure she's not in business to spend her time with losers.

Of all the pros here who post on CM, Aakasha is the only one peddling this cockamanie "malesub is a loser" so-he-has-to-pay-for-it shit.


Just because I said some subs are losers and have no options but to see pros does not mean ALL SUBS that visit pros are losers. That's in invalid conclusion (ie, if penguins are birds and penguins don't fly, then all birds don't fly)

For the record, subs on my site are the highest quality subs hands down.  Why? Because my site demands subs that are thinkers (no pictures and no video on my site, just text).  When I started having photos and videos on my site it attracted the WORST group of demanding losers.  I went back to all text and continue to enjoy hosting the most intelligent, classy readers on the web. 

That's also why the subs that visit my site are in the company of more NON pro femdoms and more femdoms find partners on my site in my chatroom or via my trainings.  The women know that the quality subs, the ones that use their brains, hang out there. Now, before you use some more incorrect logic in your interpretation, I am NOT saying that all subs that enjoy video or pictures in their femdom porn are morons.  I realize now I have to make everything especially simple for you.

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RE: money - 2/3/2008 8:21:05 AM   
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... Now if it is true that you do this money...Fine! I have no problem with it. But say so! Don't put up this sharade and fake personality that you actually enjoy it when the primary motivator depends on how much profit you can make.


Absolutely fucking bullshit. I count several dozen pro-dommes amongst my many friends. Without exception they do it because they enjoy it; they charge money, because if they did it for free they could not cope with the demand - and would soon be starving and homeless.

But a jerk like you, with your stupid, misogynist and self-centred concerns will never get the time of day from dommes like that; they can spot you coming a mile off and will take avoiding action.

They have friends and clients with whom they can have fun and make a living, without your whinging, whiney, loser's moaning.

I am not, for a moment, saying that there are no pro-dommes who relish the money; but as it is obvious to one and all that the only pleasure in having anything to do with a total loser like you will be counting the money afterwards, that's the only sort you'll come across.

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RE: money - 2/3/2008 8:27:52 AM   
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Do male doms expect their subs to pay for the price of the equipment?


Many would if they could, but there seem to be more of them than there are female submissives.  Supply and demand.

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RE: money - 2/3/2008 8:31:26 AM   
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I don't know if cloudoy is really dim, or he purposely tries to manipulate my intent to make me look bad.


Well, I'll just let you do the talking, then.

Some men unfortunately will always be left with one option to get a femdom to play with him -- he will have to pay her. It is this way because he is otherwise undesirable. Just as some men can't get laid unless they go to a hooker. Your chances of getting a relationship for "free" increase as your desirability increases. Your desirability can be measured by your selflessness, your class, your sense of humor and wit, intelligence, physical appearance, etc. There are some subs that are simply so demanding, so unrealistic, and so unappealing, that they not only are limited to paying, they happily pay. If you do not want to be one of these subs, work on increasing your desirability -- trust me, you will never have to worry about paying. There are a lot of undesirable sub men out there, and it's easy to stand out if you have class, charm, and work hard with what you have.


You're the pro who denies she's a pro. So, it does not surprise me you'd write such a thing. You don't want people to think you associate with losers for money.

See also:

My theory is that the subs with something to offer will never have to pay. Those with class, personality, self esteem, tact and charisma. As you go down the scale and the subs become more bitter, more demanding, more self righteuous, they more likely they are going to have limited options. They will have to pay, because no one will want to engage with them or spend time with them, because they are not likable. Then you go to the lowest scale, and that's the men that won't even get a woman to dominate him even if he pays. Yes, there are men that bad. Mostly it's attitude and the vibe they throw off. The more demanding, the more self righteous, the more bitter = the less likely they will get a woman to want to seduce him.

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RE: money - 2/3/2008 8:47:27 AM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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I don't know if cloudoy is really dim, or he purposely tries to manipulate my intent to make me look bad.


Well, I'll just let you do the talking, then.

Some men unfortunately will always be left with one option to get a femdom to play with him -- he will have to pay her. It is this way because he is otherwise undesirable. Just as some men can't get laid unless they go to a hooker. Your chances of getting a relationship for "free" increase as your desirability increases. Your desirability can be measured by your selflessness, your class, your sense of humor and wit, intelligence, physical appearance, etc. There are some subs that are simply so demanding, so unrealistic, and so unappealing, that they not only are limited to paying, they happily pay. If you do not want to be one of these subs, work on increasing your desirability -- trust me, you will never have to worry about paying. There are a lot of undesirable sub men out there, and it's easy to stand out if you have class, charm, and work hard with what you have.


You're the pro who denies she's a pro. So, it does not surprise me you'd write such a thing. You don't want people to think you associate with losers for money.

See also:

My theory is that the subs with something to offer will never have to pay. Those with class, personality, self esteem, tact and charisma. As you go down the scale and the subs become more bitter, more demanding, more self righteuous, they more likely they are going to have limited options. They will have to pay, because no one will want to engage with them or spend time with them, because they are not likable. Then you go to the lowest scale, and that's the men that won't even get a woman to dominate him even if he pays. Yes, there are men that bad. Mostly it's attitude and the vibe they throw off. The more demanding, the more self righteous, the more bitter = the less likely they will get a woman to want to seduce him.


You forgot to promote my site in your monthly rant!  www.akashaweb.com

I stand by everything I said. It kills you that not only can a femdom have a successful loving relationship and make additional income (in addition to her non kink career), but have other subs serve her also.  You work very hard to discredit me, but those that read my site and have for 10+years know what I am about.  Guess what? When I do phone sessions, I don't take money from classless losers who call me and want me to tell them their fantasy - I tell them to take a hike.   There will always be a subset of submissives who are classless and tacky.  Not all subs are.  Good subs will always find partners.  My site is full of the best of the best, because it's all text, and it attracts the intelligent ones; that's why I never went to video or pictures for money.  It's great being able to surround myself with quality. That's why so many femdoms are regulars on my site also.

Akasha


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RE: money - 2/3/2008 1:28:52 PM   
cloudboy


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What's it going to be:

There are many very capable, attractive, classy men who visit pros.

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My theory is that the subs with something to offer will never have to pay. Those with class, personality, self esteem, tact and charisma.

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It kills you that not only can a femdom have a successful loving relationship and make additional income (in addition to her non kink career), but have other subs serve her also.


No, what "kills me" is you and your posting. On some core level, you have real issues with malesubs. There's no other way to explain these diatribes of yours.

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RE: money - 2/3/2008 3:06:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

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Do male doms expect their subs to pay for the price of the equipment?


Many would if they could, but there seem to be more of them than there are female submissives.  Supply and demand.



Yup. Also, when I was in the better position money-wise, I did buy all the toys.

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RE: money - 2/3/2008 6:16:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


What's it going to be:

There are many very capable, attractive, classy men who visit pros.

or

My theory is that the subs with something to offer will never have to pay. Those with class, personality, self esteem, tact and charisma.

quote:

It kills you that not only can a femdom have a successful loving relationship and make additional income (in addition to her non kink career), but have other subs serve her also.


No, what "kills me" is you and your posting. On some core level, you have real issues with malesubs. There's no other way to explain these diatribes of yours.



Hey genius! The classy, capable subs never HAVE to pay but they CHOOSE to.  What a concept!   They prefer pros for a variety of reasons  -- they don't choose pros out of desperation.  A lot of very quality subs visit my site not out of desperation, but out of choice.  Quality men will always have options -- subs who are unreasonable, unrealistic, selfish, unclean, unpleasant, or unclassy have less options. 

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RE: money - 2/3/2008 8:32:34 PM   
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Go out and price those fetish outfits you expect her to wear. And the high heeled boots. Not to mention all the toys. Or are you willing to  have cbt done with a shoelace and a spanking done with a wooden spoon while she wears sweats and bunny slippers?


i'm still waiting for someone to tell me where amateurs get BDSM gear for free   And for what it's worth, a creative Dominant Women can do lot with no tools other than the ones she was born with.


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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

im just LOL at this thread


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RE: money - 2/3/2008 9:01:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I was a pro, you BET I needed some of that seed money for gear!  These days, I have lots of gear, AND continue to cruise the dollar store for excellent pervertibles. 

Des!  I have shoelaces, and I have these awesome fleece lined crocs, and I will totally play while dressed in loungewear!  You are like, a genius!

OP---just don't write to the chicks who want cash.  If the rest of us won't talk to you, work on your personality.  I can pay my own way, and often do, but not if I don't like who I'm with!

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RE: money - 2/3/2008 9:12:13 PM   
AAkasha


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OP---just don't write to the chicks who want cash.  If the rest of us won't talk to you, work on your personality.  I can pay my own way, and often do, but not if I don't like who I'm with!



(Emphasis mine)
Bingo!!  Some subs never have to worry about being left with only the "pay for play" option -- those who have attractive personalities and don't come with a huge laundry list or unrealistic expectations.  It doesn't matter how good looking you are or how great your body is, either, if you have a rotten personality, lack class or are unclean, you won't make the grade for femdoms who are seeking personal partners for BDSM.  Pros will be your only option.  The good news is that you CAN work on the qualities that femdoms seek, and you can make yourself quite desirable. Those subs that have the personality traits that femdom seek are in high demand and have more options.

I'm with LadyHibiscus - I pay my own way and even pay the sub's way if I am into him.  Right now I have a couple of hot prospects who I am currently pursuing quite aggressively...complete with sending them toys and paying their way.  It's my first steps toward poly after being in a 6-year relationship and it's going even better than I thought, actually enhancing my primary relationship rather than causing strain, as I had feared. 

Akasha


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RE: money - 2/3/2008 11:27:22 PM   
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All I did was ask a simple question: everyone makes this big deal about how expensive it is to buy BDSM equitment. And that is the reason why dommes have to charge hundreds of dollars an hour to maintain it.
But I dont ever see male doms charging their subs for money in order to pay for the equitment. Male doms pay out of pocket from money made during their day job.

Most pro-dommes would probably not be doing this if there is no money to be made. You look around the internet and most seem to be quite interested in turning a profit.
"I dont do this for free."
"My time is important."
"If you write me, you better not be poor."
You will find phrases like this all over CM profiles. Phrases like that pretty much says they care more about the profit than the activity. Psychologically your motives for doing the activity is controlled by an external force (compensation). Not by internal forces (interest, for the fun of it, etc..). Now if you remove the compensation or the external force....would you still be doing this activity?

Also take a look at the quality of the relationship between a pro-domme and a sub. It's business-like. There is no intamacy. And neither side truely cares for the other (as a close friend would). The relationship is cold. You remove the cash and there is no bond. You then compare that to a male dom and a female sub relationship and you have intimacy. You have a relationship where they care for each other even if they arnt lovers.
There is a clear difference. And I've been to BDSM events and I have personally witnessed this difference quite vividly. And you will notice it to if you pay attention.

This isn't much debate on this...it's rooted in basic social psychology. Money destroys relatedness.

Now if it is true that you do this money...Fine! I have no problem with it. But say so! Don't put up this sharade and fake personality that you actually enjoy it when the primary motivator depends on how much profit you can make.

I'm not quite sure if the young man who posed the original question has enough experience to know the difference between lifestylers & professionals. I think, perhaps, that you also may not have had enough close interaction with each type, either. Although I'm lifestyle, I have done pro sessions; happens approximately twice a year. It's usually when a pro with whom I'm friends needs a 2nd for a longtime client. For the few hours I'm "working", I indulge in tender feelings for the sub; same as I do for any sub during any playtime. It makes it fun for me. The pro has organized a scene designed to suit the client's fetishes, which, by the way, do not happen to be her particular fetishes. The sub client does not wish to have a girlfriend, does not want to come to the pro's home & help clean her gutters, does not wish to be beholden to her. He wants HIS fantasy catered to. That's okay; it's a negotiated scene. In return, he gives her money; thus is his obligation ended. This same pro may come to a fetish party & after a scene with a sub, may have him rub her back. Either way, it's a power exchange.
I do not wish to sound like a know it all, but perhaps if you make friends with some of the local dommes, professionals & lifestylers, you would have a closer understanding of why we do what we do the way we do be do be dooooooo........


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RE: money - 2/3/2008 11:33:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Go out and price those fetish outfits you expect her to wear. And the high heeled boots. Not to mention all the toys. Or are you willing to  have cbt done with a shoelace and a spanking done with a wooden spoon while she wears sweats and bunny slippers?


i'm still waiting for someone to tell me where amateurs get BDSM gear for free   And for what it's worth, a creative Dominant Women can do lot with no tools other than the ones she was born with.


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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

im just LOL at this thread


Nobody likes a sore winner


LOL!! Only free equipment in my toy bag is the lovely set of hands on the ends of my arms; they work great! Next price up is $1 for almost anything my wicked mind can dream up a use for; doggy chains, clothespins, chip clips, tablecloth clamps, scratchy stuff, hairbrushes, wooden paddles, wax candles, an endless supply of MadeinChina pervertibles!!!

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RE: money - 2/4/2008 7:14:49 AM   
cloudboy


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Status: offline 		Right, now that you half acknowledge being a professional, it seems rather benign of you to admit that someone other than a loser might seek professional services.

That poly carrot you keep dangling will keep a lot of your guys stringing along for your grand prize as well. That's a stroke of genius.



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RE: money - 2/4/2008 8:24:55 AM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Right, now that you half acknowledge being a professional, it seems rather benign of you to admit that someone other than a loser might seek professional services.

That poly carrot you keep dangling will keep a lot of your guys stringing along for your grand prize as well. That's a stroke of genius.




Wow I should have never told anyone I was married, then think of how many men I could scam!

You are so jaded, it's very sad.  If I wanted to scam men into joining my all-text web site, I would be the champion of every kink, not daring to take a stand on anything I am not into, not daring to possibly insult poor, lowly idiot subs, instead embracing all subs with a charming, "there, there" attitude and insisting ALL subs had a chance - if they only joined my web site and did as I said.  
Yeah, I purposely, for 6 years, stated that I was not interested in *anything* outside of my primary relationship, only to come out at this very moment this year and state I am moving in a new direction - just to get men to sign up for my web site! How genius.  And for those men I pursue on a personal level, I have no "requirements" that they "read my site for a few months to get to know me" -- I give them accesss immediately and tell them what to read. I pay for the toys and all expenses to avoid obligation.  I dry the line so painfully clear that I don't even allow sub men to entertain they may have a chance with me -and I could do that with ease.  You must think I make a *killing* on that web site.  I wish you knew how successful I was in my normal career, as that would shut you up once and for all.

Even you admitted something in another thread, which I am sure you will deny.  When people pay for something, they value it.  When my site was free for 10 years, it invited harrassment and headaches. By the tenth year, I was a commodity, I was treated like crap by my readers, I was contacted by minors, I was regularly seeing my material stolen and published (sometimes, sold). Making a decision to go to a pay site so my content was given value was the best legal decision I ever made, and it eliminated 90% of the harrasment and headaches.  I should have done it five years earlier.

You can go on trying to discredit me.  I have such a visible reputation, you think this board and others would be swarming with men claiming I ordered them to sign up for my web site to have a chance to meet me.  You won't see that.  It doesn't happen.  When I pursue someone on a personal level, I make it clear up front who pays - and who is in charge.  And I love it!

Edited to add:  by the way - this genuis idea you had about me using my interest in poly to get guys to sign up for my web site -- why would I do that and never MENTION it on my site?  Try to wrap your head around that one for a moment.  There's no mention of me entertaining potential new partners on my site anywhere.  I would consider that *misleading* to people who read my site. 

Akasha

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RE: money - 2/4/2008 1:44:40 PM   
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Its true, I don't really trust you, and I suspect your motives. Its not a matter of being jaded as much as its a matter of reading your posts and seeing how you respond to bona fide challenges.








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RE: money - 2/4/2008 3:11:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Go out and price those fetish outfits you expect her to wear. And the high heeled boots. Not to mention all the toys. Or are you willing to  have cbt done with a shoelace and a spanking done with a wooden spoon while she wears sweats and bunny slippers?


Do male doms expect their subs to pay for the price of the equitment?
If they are Pro Dom's, you bet your ass they charge. Of course there are not a lot  of them around. Supply and demand I guess.

If a sub brings his own toys to a pro-domme, does he get a discount?
That would be between you and the Lady, go ahead and ask at your next session and see how it goes.

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RE: money - 2/4/2008 5:59:41 PM   
AAkasha


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Its true, I don't really trust you, and I suspect your motives. Its not a matter of being jaded as much as its a matter of reading your posts and seeing how you respond to bona fide challenges.










Well, so at least you admitted it IS a personal vendetta against me for personal reasons.  I see no reason to even respond to your garbage in this or any other thread - it's a waste of peoples' time to read, since your only purporse is to discredit me - that's very selfish of you.  You see no submissives coming around here complaining that I have mislead or mistreated them.  You should focus on your own relationships instead of working so hard to discredit mine.   Good luck finding happiness.  I'll be on my merry way.

Akasha


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RE: money - 2/4/2008 6:35:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		yeah to me it's pretty pathetic......i dont agree with it and never will.

Topping isn't a job, it's an act and not one that is worth money or a price....

I'm sure that's going to piss alot of people off but, I'm not sure that I actually care either.  I work my ass off everyday, and so do many others on this site, You dont see Dom males going Pro and you definitly dont see subs and slaves going Pro now do you?  Who the hell do these women think they are?  You might as well call it prostitution in an x rated sense.

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RE: money - 2/4/2008 6:49:07 PM   
TracyTaken


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I'm sure that's going to piss alot of people off but, I'm not sure that I actually care either.  I work my ass off everyday, and so do many others on this site, You dont see Dom males going Pro and you definitly dont see subs and slaves going Pro now do you?  Who the hell do these women think they are?  You might as well call it prostitution in an x rated sense.


I don't think there is anything wrong with prostitution. 

This might be a truth-in-advertising issue though.  It sounds like these pro-dommes advertise in personals.  If they were upfront that they charge for their services in those personals ads, they'd likely get many fewer, if any, replies.

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