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MistressFaye1 -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (2/16/2008 12:25:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

For Me, it's about the orgasms.
For the past 15 years, I've used the types with the vibe in the base: Gare Ron Teed orgasms for Me, usually for him, and without the worry of pregnancy, bladder infections or bleeding from vaginal intercourse for Me.  And having an alpha male like a cop or a suit beg Me to fuck him gives Me a major wide-on.
Strapon?  $70  Astroglide?  $10  Ribbed glow-in-the-dark condom?  $1.  Introducing a vanilla guy to his ass?  Priceless. 


Whew...ok, I'm calm now!  This is great.  I've been laughing my ass off since I read it.  And you are soooooooooo right!  It's priceless!!

It still amazes me how so many men (vanilla) swear they wouldn't do it and before they realize it have gotten so hooked on the woman (dominate)  they become open to more than they ever thought possible. 

The need to please is in us all when we really care for someone and I guess it's that need that makes them forget the slanderous things they call men that enjoy strap-on play. Or maybe it's the sexual dominance (mine) they feel and become willing to get past the hang-ups.  (I refer to it as a hang-up because of the negative labling that goes on with this type of play in the vanilla world.)

They have to take back all they said and I make sure they do just that before they get the "treat" again or even better; while they are bent over repeating any damn thing I tell them to.

Faye




MistressFaye1 -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (2/16/2008 12:40:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

Similarly, that fringe of beard that older women sometimes grow after the mid-life hormonal shift was a symbol of mystical power and authority, among the peoples of the Northwest Coast--chieftain masks in British Columbia are depictions of the bearded Goddess Dzonoqua, and men would hold that depiction of Her face over their own before standing to speak in public gatherings.  So for the Kwakawakh mindset, Older + female = power.




Shakti,

This is an interesting fact.  I am now at that "age"!  You raise interesting and quite valid points in your post as always. 

Faye




MistressFaye1 -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (2/16/2008 12:44:57 PM)

To answer:  It isn't needed for me to show my dominance nor to emasculate a man.  Like so many others have said, there is something about a big, strong, man secure enough to go there with me. I find that especially true with vanilla men that swear they would NEVER be in that position!  Total turn on for me!

Faye





chezzy52 -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (2/17/2008 3:07:48 AM)

Mistress Faye and all others whom are reaching "that age"Please don't put a razor to your face whatever you do.You'll start looking like Ernest Borgnine if you do.Just a word of advice from a sub who began shaving at the first sight of a dark hair.




Tantriqu -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (2/17/2008 9:06:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressFaye1

(I refer to it as a hang-up because of the negative labling that goes on with this type of play in the vanilla world.)

They have to take back all they said and I make sure they do just that before they get the "treat" again or even better; while they are bent over repeating any damn thing I tell them to.



If they could bottle the sensations I feel the first time an alpha vanilla man moans and arches with pleasure from a strapon, after he admits his denied fantasies about it, guiltily expecting punishment instead of fulFILLment:  the gift of submission indeed.





chezzy52 -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (2/18/2008 1:53:31 AM)

Ok some if not most of ya'll have claimed this doesn't make You any more dominant than what you already were but the question is,is the act of using the strap-on inherently dominant???Cause i got to tell ya that shoving a foreign object into my elementary canal is not something i ride the wave of emotion over and as a recipient of two barium enemas and a half dozen endoscopies in the last twelve years,you would think i'd be used to it but that gleam in the nurse's eye and smile with the proclamation as she is holding a bag full of the "white river" that"this is for you"still makes me feel a tad indifferent...but wait..that would be medical play huh??..LOL




solvr70 -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (2/18/2008 4:06:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressFaye1

To answer:  It isn't needed for me to show my dominance nor to emasculate a man.  Like so many others have said, there is something about a big, strong, man secure enough to go there with me. I find that especially true with vanilla men that swear they would NEVER be in that position!  Total turn on for me!

Faye


that sounds close to exactly how my "first" introduced me to strapon play/use.

in hindsight, it was very well thought though. started with just a finger, then two (unable to deny the physical effect it had on me). then three i remember was a big step (and streatch..pun intended).

but the most astounding step, was moving from Her fingers to a dildo of Hers. i really pushed back on that (even though i did want to try it sooo much, but worried how i would be perceived if i said yes).

then, after that, the next step was a strapon, and there was no denying what i craved at that point. thow in some verbal abuse, and Her having me say certain things while being taken, and i was totally "there" so to speak.




malloves69 -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (2/18/2008 4:33:24 AM)

strapon sex is awesome [:)] lookout guys once the ladys start playing with your ass with first her fingers and then bigger things wow can it become addicting [:)] when my mistress walks in wearing her 10 in strapon we both know where thats going [:)] love ladys who wear strapon pics ...i think they are very sexy and erotic and i gladly bendover for her anytime she wants to take my ass [:)] and for those really into strapon play ..try being fisted by her ...once she slides in that feeling is amazing [:)]she has trained me well ....have fun and enjoy ..mal [:)]




barrieboytoy -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (2/18/2008 4:48:10 PM)

It's part toy, part humiliation.

For me, it doesn't have anything to do with the phallus as a male symbol of power... it has to do with being forced to do something socially taboo. It's a direct challenge to heterosexuality, which in the male world is the centre of power. After all, the worst insult to a man is to question his heterosexuality, right?

Speaking in general terms, of course.




LadyHathor -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (2/19/2008 12:31:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: chezzy52

Ok some if not most of ya'll have claimed this doesn't make You any more dominant than what you already were but the question is,is the act of using the strap-on inherently dominant???...


No, does taking it make you inherently submissive? No
 
Does making him shoot his brains to the moon and back with out leaving home make Me the Goddess--hell yes!




LadyPact -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (2/19/2008 3:00:19 PM)

Why do I have this sudden urge to bend My sub over while he's peeling potatoes in the kitchen?




devoT -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (4/7/2008 3:10:35 PM)

Great thread, with some interesting issues.

There IS a symbolic meaning to the strap-on, but it's not based on "psychobabble", rather actual physical facts.
Throughout most of the mammalian world, from apes and monkeys, wolves and dogs, right down to rats and mice, in any species that construct some sort of dominant hierarchy or pecking order, sex and penetration are used as a means of showing who's "boss". The Alpha, usually a male, but not always, will mount and anally penetrate all the subordinate males in his group. Any male that does not immediately submit is perceived as a threat to the Alpha's dominance, and is then either fought (with the prize being the "kingship"), killed or driven off.

In some monkeys that appear to have a 'matriarchal' social structure, the Alpha female will do the mounting, and thrusting, despite not having the equipment to actually penetrate.

The female hyena carries more testosterone than the male, which results in her being bigger, stronger, more aggressive, and her clitoris grows to a size bigger than the male's penis. She will only allow a male to mate during the breeding season, the rest of the year it's she who anally penetrates the male, just to show him who's in charge. Early human observers of this initially thought there were no female hyenas, as they assumed that the bigger, stronger animal doing the mounting and penetrating was male, and myths grew up about the "male" hyena giving birth!

In human societies where men are alone together, such as in prison, anal sex is used amongst prisoners, who often don't identify as gay or bi, as a means of establishing hierarchies in gangs. Sometimes, outside prison, men will rape other men merely to dominate, not for sexual pleasure.

The point to all this, is that it seems clear that males have a very old, going back through our entire evolutionary history, psychological predisposition to accept and respond to this form of dominance. If a man isn't an Alpha himself, then he will usually submit to an Alpha male or female to avoid conflict. In today's society, that submission can take many other forms than anal penetration of course, such as playing golf with your boss instead of taking your wife to dinner like you promised. But once a man has been exposed to this form of dominant behaviour, either from another man or a woman with a strapon, then he simply can't help but respond to it; he automatically and naturally sees his penetrator as superior to himself. Gender doesn't enter into it.

So the strapon isn't about being a "substitute maleness". The wearer isn't pretending to be male, she's just demonstrating who's "top dog" in the relationship. Now, we all knew that already, but many people think that strapon use derives from women wanting to "emulate" men, but it really stems from men's desire to submit.

As my wife likes to put it, "You cook, I fuck"! I was never into being penetrated before I met my wife, Until her, I'd never met a woman more dominant than myself, so naturally I had no desire or inclination for it. Once she'd established who was in charge though, the desire to submit, to be the passive recipient of anal penetration, grew naturally within me, to the point where I now feel more "comfortable" being penetrated, and distinctly awkward and uncomfortable if I am required to do the penetrating. Somehow, me penetrating her now seems to me to be against the "natural order", at least within our relationship.




MsBearlee -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (4/7/2008 3:28:33 PM)

Strapon?  $70 
Astroglide?  $10 
Ribbed glow-in-the-dark condom?  $1. 

Introducing a vanilla guy to his ass?  Priceless.

I couldn't agree more.  Y'all have seen this, no?   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2HThYRRV-Y
 
Who knew PrimeTime TV was like this?  Cable or no...I'm surprised.
 
Pleasantly surprised. 
 
MsB




SubJordanTyler -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (4/7/2008 4:40:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

Similarly, submission and victimization are gendered, in some societies--including our own.  I personally veer away from any submissive who self-identifies as a "sissy" for this reason--it's just a turn-off for me when a man associates femininity with powerlessness.  Men who use their female identities to empower themselves, or to become beautiful or express some valued part of themselves--I am fine with!  Have photographed two very glamorous t-girls and really enjoyed the experience.  But a man who feels the need to feminize in order to be victimized is not going to find a sympathetic partner in me. 

<----Unrepentent Feminist signing off.



As a male sub, the strap-on (to me) is my ultimate surrender - giving up all power and control to the dominant female.  While ripping up my ass with a strap-on does let me know she's in complete control, I don't think she needs it to feel powerful, as her power over me comes in many different ways.

Just being female is enough, as I see that when I become one.  I do not dress as a sissy, but as a woman - and when I do, I feel the power of what it means to be a woman and what I then have over men.  I am empowered as a woman and would never allow the things done to me as a male sub when I'm female.

Femininity is power and that comes out when I become my female identity.  I am expressing the most beautiful and valued part of myself - the female side.  And I will also be doing a fashion shoot over the summer as a woman.  I can't tell you how much I am looking forward to that - to be able to express my femininity and what it means to be a beautiful and powerful woman.




ShaktiSama -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (4/7/2008 5:59:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SubJordanTyler
And I will also be doing a fashion shoot over the summer as a woman.  I can't tell you how much I am looking forward to that - to be able to express my femininity and what it means to be a beautiful and powerful woman.


I understand completely, hon.  I've done two photo shoots to try and create pin-up photos of a man's female persona.  There was a lot of power simmering there!  The unexpressed anima can be wonderfully erotic and aesthetic--I have one of those photos in my current sample gallery.  [:)]




KindLadyGrey -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (4/7/2008 7:36:12 PM)

This thread gives me dejavu, although it appears to be recent.

My reaction to strapons is hysterical giggling. If I put one of those things on, I immediately feel ridiculous. Any semblance of serious "I'm going to bend you over" Domme is totally gone. I might also start making light saber noises and/or quoting spaceballs, especially if the dildo in question is any neon color.

I realize this is a weakness. I'm working on it. Desensitization therapy is going well. One day, I'll be able to tell a boy to bend over in a nice stern Domme voice.

That said, I don't think the power of a strapon is about it's phallic symbolism, although there may be something of that in it as well.

For me, the power of using a dildo or a strapon is in the giving of pleasure. It is an incredible power trip to control someone else's pleasure, to drive them to outer-space and bring them back and then do it over and over again until they can't speak. Strapon/anal/dildo play is just one way to do that. If a boy did not enjoy having his ass taken, I would not enjoy it either. There are much better ways to punish a boy. Personally, I like spankings, but I don't think that's a big secret ;)





MasterFireMaam -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (4/7/2008 8:04:21 PM)

It a dildo in a harness. Most of the time, I have no desire to use it. In fact, I haven't in years.

Master Fire




TNstepsout -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (4/7/2008 8:25:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KindLadyGrey

This thread gives me dejavu, although it appears to be recent.

My reaction to strapons is hysterical giggling. If I put one of those things on, I immediately feel ridiculous. Any semblance of serious "I'm going to bend you over" Domme is totally gone. I might also start making light saber noises and/or quoting spaceballs, especially if the dildo in question is any neon color.


Sounds like the beginnings of a very odd humiliation scene.




KindLadyGrey -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (4/7/2008 8:29:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout

quote:

ORIGINAL: KindLadyGrey

This thread gives me dejavu, although it appears to be recent.

My reaction to strapons is hysterical giggling. If I put one of those things on, I immediately feel ridiculous. Any semblance of serious "I'm going to bend you over" Domme is totally gone. I might also start making light saber noises and/or quoting spaceballs, especially if the dildo in question is any neon color.


Sounds like the beginnings of a very odd humiliation scene.



"I see your schwarz is as big as mine. . .oh, no wait. Actually, it isn't. Oh my god, I'm so sorry!"




SubJordanTyler -> RE: The meaning of a strap on--or not (4/7/2008 10:13:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

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ORIGINAL: SubJordanTyler
And I will also be doing a fashion shoot over the summer as a woman.  I can't tell you how much I am looking forward to that - to be able to express my femininity and what it means to be a beautiful and powerful woman.


I understand completely, hon.  I've done two photo shoots to try and create pin-up photos of a man's female persona.  There was a lot of power simmering there!  The unexpressed anima can be wonderfully erotic and aesthetic--I have one of those photos in my current sample gallery.  [:)]


Exactly!!  And I just have to say I loved the photos.  I went and looked to see them when you mentioned them in your profile.  If we were just a little closer I would love to pose for you and let you create something beautiful out of my feminine side!!




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