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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 3:05:59 AM   
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Do you lie to table or couch if your going to put it out next week at your yard sale?


Not to be flip or derail but I suddenly had imagery come to mind of those commercials where people talk to their mop/duster/vaccum and tell them they aren't doing the job and will have to go.

It's when the mop/duster/vacuum starts answering back, that you know it's going to be a weird day.

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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 7:25:48 AM   
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very simple...did the lie hurt you very much? leave
Can you handle it? stay

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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 7:36:53 AM   
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Interesting replies here. My philosophy is that if someone feels the need to lie about something (and I do not include hiding birthday presents, etc.), then they will continue to lie and lie and lie.

I have seen dishonesty destroy many relationships simply because one person kept forgiving the lying party and the lying party kept betraying the wounded party till there was nothing left.

In a healthy relationship, lying is not necessary.

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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 7:54:00 AM   
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 Interesting replies. am I to  understand that no one ever lies to anyone they really care about. or care for? I wish I could say that. I can not.

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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 8:07:04 AM   
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Jefff, depends on the lie, little white lies are ok, big bad betraying lies are not. JMO.

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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 9:06:00 AM   
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I don't know if it was the big bad lies that destroyed my marriage, or the activities he was lying about.  Maybe it goes hand in hand.

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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 9:12:56 AM   
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You did not give us much info here.  Was it a lie to save someones feelings or a self serving lie or a relationship killing lie.  The little white lies i could live with  eveybody has told one at one time or another.  The other lies i would ask  (notice i said ask not demand )him about it and why he felt the need to lie.

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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 9:35:47 AM   
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i was hurt immensely by my current Dom and i am still leary of Him. He lied and hid things and had secrets. i am no fool and i am quite capable of digging up info on people if i need to, so i did. i was heartbroken, there were 2 major infractions and 1 minor that used up His 3 strikes with me. W/we not only live 24/7 D/s but W/we are also in a romantic relationship (someday married??) so it hit me with duality. i had to question whether or not He deserves me as a devoted sub and as a loving girlfriend. It was hard on both of U/us but far worse on me. As a masochist this was beyond any physical pain that i can endure, except maybe one circumstance. i now am paranoid and even though i am still devoted and still love Him, i still feel that i cannot trust Him enough to give myself wholey to Him now, i was on the verge as W/we are a new couple as well and when the crap hit the fan i retracted and pulled away enough to not allow Him access to hurt me again. So, although W/we are together, W/we have a lot of storm to weather yet. It will now take me twice as long to learn to trust Him again. i have my doubts as old habits die hard.

my advice is to confront Him and ask Him whats going on. Express your concern and let Him know that this will/is damaging the trust within You/r dynamic. He should respect your concern and talk with you, if He doesnt, than He never will and never will change. Liars lie about not lying, it is a viscious cycle that some people cannot break no matter how hard they try. All you can really do is talk to Him and see what that brings you. If it causes a split, than be glad its now instead of 2 years down the road. Count blessings where you can.

Just my 2 cents.

Good luck!

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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 9:39:57 AM   
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 The OP says.." even if it is the smallest lie". No one is perfect. We all do and say things we later wish we hadn't.............shrugs

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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 10:30:09 AM   
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I think we all lie to some degree--- to spare a persons feeling, because it is what they want to hear,  in order to keep a good surprise, or to avoid getting ourselves in trouble

Only you as the recipient of the lie can decide whether it becomes a deal breaker, for example if a Dom lies about about having a wife or significant other to me that is a deal breaker, because it has a serious impact on our relationship and it undermines the trust required to have a good relationship and  indicates lack of commitment, if he acquired another sub when the understanding/agreement was to be in a monogamous relationship without discussion prior it too becomes a deal breaker.

Decide how how iimportant it is and it's impact to the relationship and prior agreements, if you feel it is a serious breech than  tell him to hit the road.

But if it is info you dug up and not 100% sure if true... talk to him see if he can prove  so as to ease your mind.   I just  recently went  thru  this situation myself , and  decided to show him what I found and asked him about and  provide some info to me to help confirm that he was not lying ,  I felt quite awkward asking for the proof but I gave him my reasons why I felt I needed  especially when he had been so straight forward about  telling me about  other past  things in his life that could be considered serious issues or possible deal breakers if I found out later on(one was an issue that some would see as a dealbreaker... to me I viewed it as a foolishness of youth and a lesson learned),  he understood my reasons for asking and provided the proof of what I felt I needed to help put me at ease and know for sure that he is telling the truth


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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 10:35:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Interesting replies here. My philosophy is that if someone feels the need to lie about something (and I do not include hiding birthday presents, etc.), then they will continue to lie and lie and lie.

I have seen dishonesty destroy many relationships simply because one person kept forgiving the lying party and the lying party kept betraying the wounded party till there was nothing left.

In a healthy relationship, lying is not necessary.


I prefer a hit in the face or a broken arm....above lies. Nothing feels as bad as beeing lied to by a lover or best friend. And as sexyred says....they keep lying. On lie files the emptyness of the other...to cover up things.
(little tiny lies..are ok i guess...think we do that all)


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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 10:50:54 AM   
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tiny lies can eventually snowball into ones big enough to crush a home...

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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 10:54:41 AM   
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That is true. But when some one says to me " I will never lie to you", I never wonder why they felt the need to say it. People lie to each other. People who love each other lie to each other.For me, the important thing is rising above and beyond.

Jeff

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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 10:57:39 AM   
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tiny lies can eventually snowball into ones big enough to crush a home...


agree...but let the one step forward who never lied


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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 1:09:23 PM   
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if your owner lies to you ( even if it is the smallest lie) is it your right to pull away from him and demand he explains himself?


Some lies are pretty small, and are part of the lube that keeps people interacting reasonably.  Ever see that Jim Carrey movie where he couldn't tell a lie, and always said exactly what he was thinking?  If it was the answer to "Do these pants make my butt look big?" or "Do I give the best blowjobs you've ever had?" or anything to do with your mother, then you are making something out of nothing.  Men lie in these circumstances to survive; they always have and always will.

If it was something important that he knew was going to hurt you if it was found out, especially if it involved breaking a promise that was made?  Then you better start digging for answers, and you should be prepared to not like what you find.   People who are willing to lie  to manipulate others and get their way will not stop at a little lie.  Examples - he lied about being married, or about spending time with another woman, or about anything to do with addictive behavior like drinking or gambling.  He lied about not having any STDs, he lied about his BDSM knowledge or experience.  These are not acceptable.  And they are unlikley to stop, even if he says they will.

Some people feel the need to lie about nearly everything.  They make up entire fictitious lives, because they feel that the real one makes them inadequate.  They usually get found out pretty fast, its too hard to keep all the lies straight.  Not much you can do about someone like that, except assume that everything is a lie.  They are not the real problem, once you know about them.  It's the ones that only lie when it matters, the sociopaths, that are the problem.  Some of them are very good at it too.

So which situation do you think you have?


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RE: Lied to - 2/5/2008 1:28:55 PM   
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someone said if the lie hurts then leave... if it doesn't then stay. It hurt. Even if it was the smallest of lies. The lie (without getting into details) was concerning him somewhere, when he said he would be somewhere else (normally I wouldn't care, but this *other* place entails me not speaking to him for days on end... and it's a choice, not something he has to do)

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RE: Lied to - 2/6/2008 12:20:29 AM   
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Jeffff
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RE: Lied to - 2/6/2008 8:09:13 AM   
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Well Thats a relife..:)

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RE: Lied to - 2/6/2008 8:20:13 AM   
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Say he said he would never go to the strip club after meeting you. Then he went. He lied to you. Now the choice is yours. Does the lie warrant ending the relationship? Only you can make that call. For some yes for others no. Just My thoughts.
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RE: Lied to - 2/6/2008 9:11:38 AM   
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The only way I would have an issue with your scenario is if we had plans and he chose to go to a strip club instead of honoring our date.  Of course, I am not so insecure as some...I've been known to scrap a date because a better offer became available.  I do call, though.

Any man who would do this is probably just not that into me.  And I can take that...

No wonder I don't make it past three dates.

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