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celticlord2112 -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 7:03:25 AM)
It sounds like the manager did not want to rent to you to begin with. The moment he bailed when you mentioned having a guide dog, you should have reported his ass for discrimination.

MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 7:12:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 It sounds like the manager did not want to rent to you to begin with. The moment he bailed when you mentioned having a guide dog, you should have reported his ass for discrimination. I would have, if I had understood what had just happened. Like I said, I have never been faced with this kind of discrimination before. I was very shaky when I left. I felt..beat up. Not a good feeling for a Dominant.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 7:20:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 It sounds like the manager did not want to rent to you to begin with. The moment he bailed when you mentioned having a guide dog, you should have reported his ass for discrimination. I would have, if I had understood what had just happened. Like I said, I have never been faced with this kind of discrimination before. I was very shaky when I left. I felt..beat up. Not a good feeling for a Dominant. Next time take someone with you. For instance, I might have called back or had a friend call back and verify that there was an apartment. Then I would say, "funny, you just told my friend it wasnt available". i would maybe take my close girlfriend or her husband or my brother in law with. They are all lawyers. I would say "hi, this is so and so. Shes a lawyer". But then again, I wouldnt want to live in that complex, if that is how the management operates.

MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 7:21:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan Dear MoGa, quote: I cannot even begin to understand the difficulties you face, the moxie you show in ensuring the disability you suffer with does not incapacitate you is inspiring. Thank you MissMorrigan. I have never let much get me down. I just try to find another way around it <s> When I rented an apartment in Austin ground floor apartments were more expensive (also according to location on each campus) as opposed to the apartments on upper floors. It's also the same in the UK where ground floor flats offer easier access to carparks, etc... so the building proprietors charge far more than they would for upstairs flats as there's always a little more inconvenience expected. We also have something here called Warden Assisted Accommodation, which is meant for the elderly (you're not heading there anytime soon, I know!), less able-bodied among us and those who are visually impaired. quote: Is there something of an equivalent in the US? The ONLY reason I mention this is that such accommodation is subsidised, but perhaps some financial assistance would be available to you in any case regardless of abode. Yes we have that here. It is called HUD. But the rules of living there, do not fit with my lifestyle. I detest rules when it comes to how I can live. quote: What I did find very disheartening about your OP is that one moment the Manager was all for leasing a property on the ground floor, until she became aware of your walking aid coupled with the enquiring about differences in leasing prices. I felt it was the moment I asked about my guide dog that she shut down. I did notice this place did not allow pets. I have since found out that a guide dog is treated as another occupant in the apt. and as such there is no pet fees for it. As for my friend, we began corresponding after contacting one another via B.com, however, we lost touch and while I have made attempts to contact him all have remained fruitless. quote: I hope he's still gripping life by the balls and refusing to allow anything to deter him, and I wish the same for you too. Thank you. I rather like gripping by the balls, whether it is life or a sub lol makes no difference to me :) quote: ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa Thank you for responding :) MoGa

SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 7:24:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan Even worse, MoGa. I'm not sure why this is, but I have encountered a lot of people who wear glasses (all the time, not just for reading) and they have diminished hearing upon removing their spectacles... how in the hell does that happen?!? lol quote: ORIGINAL: MistressOfGaIf blind people wear dark glasses, why don't deaf people wear ear muffs? [sm=banana.gif] (I included MoGa's joke because I guffawed over it) Miss M - I know you were being humorous, but a serious answer is that those people have learned to read lips over years of going deaf gradually. MoGa, you are doing extremely well! At your stage, I was still grousing about what I could NOT do - and I'm "only" legally blind. I use MAGic, btw - although I did learn JAWS. My only complaint is that I have to have the colors reversed (white letters on black screen), so pictures are in negative. oh, yes, and those danged moving emoticons keep drawing the focus of my enlarged display to them. I have to hit ESC to stop them. I was lucky in finding an apartment. The manager here had dealt with a father in a wheelchair, so she knew the difficulties involved. The bathroom door was removed, and I can get my wheelchair through the doorway. The carpet is commercial grade, so the wheelchair rolls over it easily, and they have actually built ramps into the mailbox room and the office. The ramp out to the sidewalk would be extremely expensive and may not come, but at least they have had contractors come and give estimates. (The ADA does not require apartment buildings to comply.) The waiting list for accessible housing is several YEARS long, at least in southern California.

MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 7:24:37 AM)
quote: Next time take someone with you. For instance, I might have called back or had a friend call back and verify that there was an apartment. Then I would say, "funny, you just told my friend it wasnt available". i would maybe take my close girlfriend or her husband or my brother in law with. They are all lawyers. I would say "hi, this is so and so. Shes a lawyer". But then again, I wouldnt want to live in that complex, if that is how the management operates. lusciouslips, I did take someone with me. My sister drove me, but I wanted to go in by myself. Part of that independent thing <s>

lusciouslips19 -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 7:32:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa quote: Next time take someone with you. For instance, I might have called back or had a friend call back and verify that there was an apartment. Then I would say, "funny, you just told my friend it wasnt available". i would maybe take my close girlfriend or her husband or my brother in law with. They are all lawyers. I would say "hi, this is so and so. Shes a lawyer". But then again, I wouldnt want to live in that complex, if that is how the management operates. lusciouslips, I did take someone with me. My sister drove me, but I wanted to go in by myself. Part of that independent thing <s> Well just remember the power of numbers. People may not act the same if there is a witness around.

MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 7:34:08 AM)
quote: I use MAGic, btw I will look into that. JAWS is a thousand dollars. quote: The manager here had dealt with a father in a wheelchair, so she knew the difficulties involved. The bathroom door was removed, and I can get my wheelchair through the doorway. Most places here will not do anything to the apt. They say you can, but at your own expense and you must use a licensed contractor. quote: The waiting list for accessible housing is several YEARS long, at least in southern California. Lordy! This is the reason I get so mad at our president. People here in the USA need to be taken care of first. There are still people in Louisiana and Mississippi who are living in trailers. God..give me a president that can help his own country, and I will vote for him. A little off topic, but hey, I am the OP <s>

DesFIP -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 7:47:44 AM)
If you think they are discriminating against you because of your handicap, then I suggest calling your local center for accessible living. They will investigate. Otherwise you could ask a friend to inquire about apartment rates and see what the costs are and whether or not there is an apartment available. If they are discriminating against you, then call the local housing board and report them.

pupofMoGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 9:07:41 AM)
I think it is absolutely deplorable how the housing in the Phoenix area has been treating Mistress. A person SHOULD not have to pay more to live on the second floor if they are handicapped. That is UN-American for taking advantage and not looking out for the welfare of the handicapped. Hearing that the housing supervisors would not take responsibility for the horrible conditions they placed my Mistress in is an abomination. If i could i would beat them with Mistress's cane until they are handicapped themselves. I say stick it to them and go to the housing board, because NOBODY mistreats my Mistress and gets away with it! And if diplomacy fails, a nice swift caning will change the managers minds i bet.

faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 9:22:39 AM)
if i went this summer looking for a new place to live...with my tattoo's showing....how many people do you think would give me a chance??? people here see tattoo's...their first thought = drug addict and party person. fat chance of getting a place..

SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 9:46:13 AM)
MoGa, have you contacted your State Department of Rehabilitation? In the course of preparing you for "independent living," they should provide you with things you need at reduced cost, if not totally free. Because I'm on Social Security Disability, I got MAGic at no cost. On-topic (sort of) - I wanted to get wheelchair gloves so I don't get calluses on my hands from pushing the wheels. I was advised to get bicycle gloves instead. The wheelchair gloves cost $35 to $45; the bicycle gloves cost $12 and last longer. They are exactly the same in design, but because wheelchair gloves are "specialized," they cost more.

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 9:59:00 AM)
Without reading everything said in the thread, since I am a touch pressed for time at the moment. When I was in NY, I used to teach womens self defense. Part of teaching this was an informational empowerment lecture that I gave. Granted, this was so that women would keep from being taken advantage of by managers and (more often than not) repairmen but i think the bit I am going to share wil help. You said you called the apartments and got a different quote on the phone than you did face to face. Get names, and specifics. When you call, ask the persons name right off (they should provide it when they answer, and make sure to write it down.) Verify you are calling the correct location. Ask what itis you want to know and write that down as well. Repeat it back to them. After all your questions are answered, reread the entire list back, to verify informaton yet again and then before you hang up verify their name again. Then, when you show up, have the list in hand, and if they try and give you a different price than what you recieved on the phone, you say you would like to speak to whomever you talked to on the phone. Either they have to work on the training of their phone service associates or they are lying to you. Let them know you know which it really is (dont accuse, but sound sarcastic and confident) and you'd be surprised how often they "remember" that the rates are different and apologize for giving you an outdated quote. Works great on mechanics, as well, for services you are quoted to need as opposed to all the little addons they like to tack on. As for pet deposits, a dog is a dog, regardless of if he is a service animal or a pet. The deposit is refundable and is insurance against the mess animals are capable of making. I doubt you will get out of the deposit, or any other pet related fees on a monthly basis. There might be a discounted rate you can get, since it is a service pet, but it IS an animal and as one the protection against possible animal ocurances arent goen just becasue he or she is a very well trained animal. DV

SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 10:25:33 AM)
quote: As for pet deposits, a dog is a dog, regardless of if he is a service animal or a pet. The deposit is refundable and is insurance against the mess animals are capable of making. I doubt you will get out of the deposit, or any other pet related fees on a monthly basis. There might be a discounted rate you can get, since it is a service pet, but it IS an animal and as one the protection against possible animal ocurances arent goen just becasue he or she is a very well trained animal. A service animal is not a pet and a landlord cannot lawfully require any additional deposits. The tenant is responsible for the actions of his/her animal and can be held accountable for any damage to the rented property. Additionally, the tenant must comply with any established policies such as cleanliness and maintenance of the unit as well as leash requirements and noise guidelines.

MissAidan -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 10:29:48 AM)
I have had my fair share of dealing with horribly managed apartment complexes, right down to involuntarily having a squirrell for a roommate for a month and having my apartment routinely inspected for no apparent reason. This is the worst I have heared of though...to not rent to someone just because they require the assistance of a service animal is idiotic, and people who do so are ass-hats. While bottom floor rent being higher is normal (its was $10 more per month at the place I just moved out of), $50 seems a bit high. Along with the other advice given, I would suggest checking in to your local landlord/tennant act. Knowing mine sure came in handy when that tree rat invaded my home!

EvilGenie -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 11:10:58 AM)
~FR~ I am disabled as well and on disability (since age 19 and will be for life) though I do work within the confines it allows as far as working goes. I needed to make a brief; one year, return to the US and needed an apartment. In all apartments within my price range and in general, a bottom floor always costs more in this state. The higher up you go, the less you pay as many are unwilling to rent upper apartments and they are more inconvenient. Hence, the price break for living above ground floor. I am paying $75.00 a month more than the others who live above me. A small price to pay I think considering I cannot climb stairs to the 2nd floor and beyond. Other countries I have lived in also use this practice. It has nothing what so ever to do with being disabled but rather with economics. In this state, it is the law that service animals must be allowed.

BitchGoddessD -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 11:44:41 AM)
In my city, there are several buildings where the first floor is reserved for disabled who need it. It is also illegal to discriminate against ethnicity, disability, families, service animals, etc. My advice is learn your rights, use your community support, and trust your instincts. I doubt you lost your common sense when you lost your sight. In fact I'm sure you didn't. [;)] It is exhausting to have to deal with others bull but you have already gone through plenty. I wish you the best the future holds.

YourhandMyAss -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 12:16:42 PM)
Ok:) quote: ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa YhMa, It's ok. I didn't take T's comments to be anything but curiosity. I have read his postings and I find him to be very intelligent and blunt, but not rude. Thank you for the defense, but it is unwarranted [:)] MoGa

MistressOfGa -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 12:28:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pupofMoGa I think it is absolutely deplorable how the housing in the Phoenix area has been treating Mistress. A person SHOULD not have to pay more to live on the second floor if they are handicapped. That is UN-American for taking advantage and not looking out for the welfare of the handicapped. Hearing that the housing supervisors would not take responsibility for the horrible conditions they placed my Mistress in is an abomination. If i could i would beat them with Mistress's cane until they are handicapped themselves. I say stick it to them and go to the housing board, because NOBODY mistreats my Mistress and gets away with it! And if diplomacy fails, a nice swift caning will change the managers minds i bet. Aww pup, tell them how you really feel! lol Thank you for being so sweet.

YourhandMyAss -> RE: Paying To Be Handicapped (2/4/2008 12:29:32 PM)
My hair cuts are 18 dollars. I go to Hair Master's or I used to till they moved, but I still have other places about 18 bucks I go to. quote: ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa Wow Ron, who does your hair??? That is cheap! :)

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