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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 6:43:01 AM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		I’ll bet your mothers and fathers bemoaned the education of your generation. My Mother is an excellent speller and can name every capital of every state in the US….but…she does not like and refuses to learn how to use a computer. Yet she thinks today’s children are uneducated and ignorant if they can’t name the 12th President of the United States.

It is no different with our children...WWII, as an example, is ancient history to them and not as important as it was for my generation.

There is so much to learn and absorb to excel in today’s world that history… as always… takes a backseat in education.

This poll may be frivolous but I do believe it reflects the true state of knowledge of not just the UK but also the US and the entire world.

It seems educators will never learn that without history each generation will repeat the mistakes of previous generations.

Butch

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 6:47:47 AM   
MissMorrigan


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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan
(editated b/c I had my fingers on the wrong keys lol)
You editate I'll cogitate thats what gets results.

Like your jokes about Ghandi and Coeur de Lion.
editate to correct spelling

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 6:51:27 AM   
MissMorrigan


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Status: offline 		Bizarrely, that's even funnier, Lady E, given that the vast majority of drivel shown on UK Gold are sitcoms... and advertisements showing thigh trimming machines, not that I watch them - okay, I lie. I received help for my addiction, two years, three months later I am clean. I haven't looked at a toning machine since and my partner has removed the TV aerial!

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
It says in the link Kittinsol - 3000 viewers of UKTV Gold (a cable channel that shows repeats of shows from a few years back)

The theory that is established more clearly perhaps, is that watching TV does result in an addled brain. Although it could be argued that one might only watch UKTV Gold if one's brain were addled in the first place.

E

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 6:57:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		What strikes me are the short pieces shown on UKTV Gold, just after the ads and prior to the start or resumption of the show.

We see middle aged people, sitting in a darkened room, half asleep. The light from the TV screen suddenly illuminates their faces and their drooping eyelids raise slowly......

That isnt a joke by the way - thats one of these short pieces. Shown at all hours of the day as well as the evening.

Quite sad really.

E

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:00:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		It does if you examine the criterion set for such exams, Politesub. Back in 1980 my responsibility was to mark GCSE English coursework. The Head of English thus instructed, "Examiners will be focusing on content and effort applied. It is not considered conducive to productivity should you show over-zealousness when encountering spelling inaccuracies." The majority of those that sat final exams would have considerable difficulty achieving even a 45% pass rate had they been tested on spelling alone, however, they passed their GCSE English Language.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
It doesnt follow that an education system able to produce 25% of school leaver who cant do basic English and Maths, is somehow able to produce a yearly increase with exam results.

The poll would probably include a fair number of people not of british origin too. All the same it shows the education system in a very poor light.

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:03:56 AM   
MissMorrigan


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Status: offline 		Bloody nora, Lady E. That's pretty scary, I'm not surprised though, it's all those prunes they have for breakfast - takes it out of a person!  

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
What strikes me are the short pieces shown on UKTV Gold, just after the ads and prior to the start or resumption of the show.

We see middle aged people, sitting in a darkened room, half asleep. The light from the TV screen suddenly illuminates their faces and their drooping eyelids raise slowly......

That isnt a joke by the way - thats one of these short pieces. Shown at all hours of the day as well as the evening.

Quite sad really.

E

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:20:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I saw a reference to the poll in the Daily Mail, a sensible newspaper aimed at the Liberal sector though it sometimes does overdo the personal abuse. Anyway the reference said that Lady Godiva was a myth, well I know for a fact that thats not true 'cos I have a photograph of her in my bedroom propped up by my teddy bear.

As for UKTV Gold lovely channel as is Paramount Comedy with Frasier and Becker
Some episodes are duds but IMO the best are hilarious.

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:29:22 AM   
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It was riveting and the tears flowed.
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im afriad the youth are too easily embracing loss of privacy that we never would. you see, history repeats.  Take this from a man who flunked history....then spent the summer in summer school where history then was fascinating to me.

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:29:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		It isn't only history kd.  There have been polls and surveys completed that show that many youth of today, don't even know what a courgette(I believe thats a zucchini in US) is, or that there are different types of potato, or that tigers come from africa etc...
 
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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:32:17 AM   
MissMorrigan


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Status: offline 		Come on, Seeks. Forget UKTV Gold/Paramount Comedy. You know the best humour to be found on TV is in Question Time in the House of Commons  Order! Order! Betty cracking the whip.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
I saw a reference to the poll in the Daily Mail, a sensible newspaper aimed at the Liberal sector though it sometimes does overdo the personal abuse. Anyway the reference said that Lady Godiva was a myth, well I know for a fact that thats not true 'cos I have a photograph of her in my bedroom propped up by my teddy bear.

As for UKTV Gold lovely channel as is Paramount Comedy with Frasier and Becker
Some episodes are duds but IMO the best are hilarious.

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:38:16 AM   
seeksfemslave


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Status: offline 		A courgette ? Thats either a car or maybe something I sleep on in a French Chemin de Fer. One for the linguists there.
Next question .

I think Betty should have kept on kicking her legs up in one of those dance troups. After having seen her gusset I lost all repect for her lol
And one of the other threads says there are no opportunities for wimmin. I arsk yer !

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:41:48 AM   
MissMorrigan


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Status: offline 		American muscle car... And you know there's nothing more admirable than a cunning linguiniist.

I can hear you groaning!

In this following clip, a group of women are discussing whether the world is round or flat, seriously - "I never even really considered that".

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1776300


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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:43:24 AM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		lol... I believe tigers are found in Asia too... but I had no idea what a courgette was. I think my mother is right...she was better educated than me...but that is no surprise to folks here on CM...

Maybe we expect too much of our schools..perhaps it just takes some time on earth to find our interests and passions.

Butch

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:45:40 AM   
seeksfemslave


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As for cunning linguists I have tried it so I cant be all bad. Too many irregular verbs.

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:46:47 AM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		Whilst we can bemoan the education or lack thereof of modern youth, it must be remembered that the poll in the OP was taken from 3000 viewers of UKTV Gold, the subscribers to which, given the content broadcasted are not likely to be made up of younger viewers, but people of my age and older.

Given this, it would seem that the model of society presented by the streams in my high school may well be representative of society in general. 360 kids from both private and social housing estates, of whom a good 25% were irretrievably ignorant, the next 25% pretty ignorant, the next 25% less than well informed and the final 25% capable of holding a conversation requiring reference to knowledge. If surveyed in similar fashion back then, the class of 1984 might well have shown 70%+ error and/or ignorance in such matters as history.

The thing is though I suppose, we each only retain that which is useful to us, and so on a broader scale the same will hold true of the whole society. To those in the lowest achieving 25% in school, it was and likely still is in adult life unimportant to know things which for those in the top 25% were and remain important. And vice versa applies too - overachieving nerdy egghead that I am its not important to me to know the ins and outs of stuff that forms the useful life knowledge for those who didnt achieve as well in school. Cant think of what that useful life knowledge might be - but then that only makes me as ignorant of their stuff as they are of mine!

E



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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:52:30 AM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		Just so long as we don't equate a poor, education or social standing, with intelligence. To a great degree the deficiency in knowledge of our children is our fault...not theirs.

Butch

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:56:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

As for cunning linguists I have tried it so I cant be all bad. Too many irregular verbs.


the key I'm told is to get your tongue around the subjunctive, then it will flow naturally

E

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 7:57:49 AM   
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If you have never seen Jay Leno walking down the street and asking people the most simple questions and hearing what they say you would be in for a shocking treat of ignorance.

Steve Allen did something similar many years ago and got people to assert totally contradictory things within a few sentences.

Quote from Winston Churchil, if you think democracy is a good idea go out on the street and ask people their views on a serious issue.
Ghandi I think said if democracy is such a good idea why dont we try it.

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 8:01:12 AM   
MissMorrigan


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Status: offline 		Before long, i can see there being a collarme quiz night lol

I don't consider academic people more 'intelligent' as such, I have had people with street smarts/savvy run rings around me (that's not difficult given the only time I move quickly is when a doughnut is involved). But one does expect there to be a certain standard in school regarding children's education.

I grew up a right old tomboy grease monkey. I loved working in my father's garages (he had several including showrooms in/around london). I rarely spent a day in a classroom from the age of six until thirteen and then was thrust into the shocking environment of a catholic convent school. Despite the hard work I did put into my studies, I was never 'accepted', always an outcast who never fit in. Even though I rarely went to school until the age of 13, I educated myself, I read avidly and one of the punishments I was given at the convent, by the teacher who wanted to belittle me and make an example of me, was to transcribe a work of shakespeare into modern day English. I had six weeks to do that in. I achieved it, received no recognition other than criticism that I must have acquired the help of someone else to do the work for me. I sat to the back of the class, which gave me perfect opportunity to simply observe my class peers. Those, who were either exceedingly clever and ahead of the curriculum, and those with special needs and/or remedial requirements, were left by the wayside and focus was placed on the mainstream children. The majority of my peers went on to become successful, largely due to familial connections/influence and opportunity created by their wealth - of which I do not begrudge any of them. Some others went on to achieve success in their own right, their path there harder and taking far longer to achieve. I do wonder, though, how many of those girls would have succeeded had they not their privileged backgrounds.

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RE: OK Brits....explain yourselves.... - 2/4/2008 8:03:02 AM   
MissMorrigan


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Status: offline 		Is that similar to irritable vowel syndrome?

Of course the video was serious, it was Whoopi!

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Was that World Flat vid serious?
As for cunning linguists I have tried it so I cant be all bad. Too many irregular verbs.

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