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health "care"? - 2/5/2008 1:55:32 AM

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RE: health "care"? - 2/5/2008 2:12:38 AM

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Should have done the smart thing and gone to Cuba

Socialised healthcare isn't perfect, none of it is 'free', every single citizen pays into the healthcare system and sure some areas need improvement, but it sure as hell beats having the worries of wondering if a person can afford basic healthcare, and having lived in the US I know first-hand many that can't and despite having paid for a comprehensive healthcare policy often found there are clauses within clauses within clauses which fall outside the remit of their policy, so in essence, were refused treatment. There is something seriously awry in that video clip - and I'm not just talking about the wiating list of approx. four months for the scan. Firstly, if it's an emergency a scan will always be provided despite the cost. If it's during the course of treatment there IS a waiting list - as there is for non-emergency operations.

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RE: health "care"? - 2/5/2008 2:22:29 AM

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i so hope there would be exceptions.....i did a bit of quick research on the folks involved with the making of the film and they seemed legit...i knew if this was pure hogwash, someone would let me know.

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RE: health "care"? - 2/5/2008 2:40:29 AM

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They may well be legit, Seeks. But you know, there's never a perfect healthcare system. I can only see this as a cock-up on a grand scale. I would still rather sleep at night knowing that I can receive emergency treatment/healthcare regardless of the day or night and know that I don't have the worry of a bill at the end of it. My own mother recently fell ill, she has always placed her stock in private healthcare, flatly refusing to go to the local A & E who would have dealt with her. So she waits til the following morning, consults her GP and tells him she wants to pay privately to be seen by a consultant at a private hospital. He duly makes the appointment and sure enough she ws seen that same day... the consultant tells her that she will need x-rays and a colonoscopy. All of which would have been provided had she gone to the A & E - they couldn't have performed the colonoscopy there and then, but her GP tried to reassure her that it would take FOUR DAYS only to arrange that. She still opted for private care and it cost her £1400 for the consultant to tell her exactly what I did (and Im not a doctor), that she was CONSTIPATED!

Sometimes, injustices do occur, Seeks. I'm not blind to the problems within the NHS and given that I have a lifelong condition I am very used to the procedures within the NHS (have also worked within it for a number of years).

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RE: health "care"? - 2/5/2008 2:51:28 AM

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It's not pure hogwash, more like 93% hogwash. Stuart Browning is making alarmist claims about the "crumbling" Canadian healthcare system but guess what? It's not crumbling, it's doing pretty well and most people in Canada get better health care than people in the USA, as a result. Sure there is room for improvements. There always is. Thankfully we don't need the kind of improvements that assure basic affordable health care to all citizens or offer the choice of death or bankruptcy.

"The solution to our health care problems is to reduce the role of government, not increase it by switching to a single-payer system." says the film maker, believing that the private sector will magically make the medical monopoly humane, accountable and affordable. The reason we went to a single payer system in Canada was because we, and every other middle class or poor citizen of every other country in the world, were being held hostage by the medical profession.

Mr. Browning could benefit from a little more history and a little less histrionics.

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RE: health "care"? - 2/5/2008 2:58:26 AM

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What I think would have happened in the UK is that once it was established that a tumour was present then the necessary treatment would be available quite quickly. However it is likely that delays could occur in the first diagnosis which proceeds from a GP to a hospital appointment.

It is fairly obvious that people with financial resources can buy early access into the system.

Why the Canadian authorities were so "hard nosed" is the real question..

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RE: health "care"? - 2/5/2008 3:00:54 AM

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I can't see there being any great conspiracy there, Seeks.

All I see is someone using an exception to criticise a system that highlights their own failings.

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RE: health "care"? - 2/5/2008 3:48:10 AM

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Americans really ought to ask their politicians why they are paying between 50-100% more on healhcare than socialised medicine in other developed countries and US health statistics are the worst!

http://www.healthcare-int.com/stats.html

That is an indictment of private healthcare.

You Americans can keep your free market ideology and we'll have our longer healthier lives.

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RE: health "care"? - 2/5/2008 4:06:51 AM

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Its sort of hard for me to tell which system is best since I hear horror stories on both sides but I am leaning toward the american system is best since most hospitals will service life threatening situations and we have several programs for the poor such as gamp which it extremely cheap, like 25 to 50 bucks regardless of whats done.

Again the solution in our form of government that is if we want to retain it is to get more money into the hands of the people so they can afford to pay. I hate to sound like a broken record but that will fix all these problems. then again adding more entitlements will bring the system down even faster so maybe thats the best way to after all so the whole thing falls on its ass.

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RE: health "care"? - 2/5/2008 4:21:22 AM

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My experience with government run health care (US Army Retired) I was playing witha 2 yr old and my eye was scratched. I went to the ER who cleaned the wound as good as possible, but didn't have the appropriate staff to get it all. They refered me to the appropriate specialist locally. While in the waiting room at the Doc's office I called my military healthcare provider for retirees and they said I couldn't go to the specialist. I had to go to my regular health care doc (a trip of 125 miles each way since they won't let me see a local doc) and get him to ask for an authorization which should take 3 - 5 days. I still went into the eye doc and had 5 pieces of donut removed from my eye. He said that if I had waited I could have permanently damaged my eyes thru infection. I won't go to the VA either. Last time I went there they couldn't even read an x-ray for a broken arm. such wonderful govt healthcare. We should provide it to everyone

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RE: health "care"? - 2/5/2008 4:36:28 AM

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I'm amazed you actually got a doctor's appointment fairly quickly, Ken

A girl friend of mine in Dallas needed to see her GP, was given a three week waiting period, she complained, of course, was told she could always change doctors. She did, was given a two week waiting period lol

In my mother's case, there wasn't a failing in the NHS, it was her own self-neglect and blind faith in private health care that prolonged her condition (a better diet and laxatives would have sped that along naturally lol).

I sympathise with you regarding the VA. An old boyfriend of mine in the US (Sings - All my exes live in texas) who has served in the army has a medical condition (was given a medical discharge) that requires regular appointments but it's a very basic service and he runs the gamut of not acquiring an appointment for sometimes months (no exaggeration either) and to the point he's regularly in agony. Instead of giving him a much-needed operation, they just treat the symptoms (albeit poorly).

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