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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/2/2004 4:16:33 AM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		Actually it sounds as tho it was a nerve being effected or the position of the hands or rope that was causing the numbness by pinching a nerve sum where near the spine or other place on the upper extremities. This also causes numbness in the hands, feet and legs.

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/7/2004 2:53:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well Breath Play is not a high thing on my list of interest, however there is something that Master does to me that I totally love. He places his hand around my throat and just holds it really tight. No cutting off of breathing less its accadental, and I just love it. Some people call it breath play others don't, what ever people call it, it works for me rather well.

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/9/2004 10:01:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		The biggest turn on for me was when He made a collar for me out of rope and slowly started to tighten it....combined with the verbal humilation......well, it was HOT!

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/10/2004 6:47:52 PM   
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The biggest turn on for me was when He made a collar for me out of rope and slowly started to tighten it....combined with the verbal humilation......well, it was HOT!


The issue here is not just your windpipe.

The carotid artery runs in your neck, and constriction of it will cause unconsciousness in seconds. See this all the time in jiu jutsu.

I suggest the one tightening the collar bone up on the physiology of the neck and have their CPR certification current.

JM, CBW, BTYG

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/10/2004 7:13:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

The carotid artery runs in your neck, and constriction of it will cause unconsciousness in seconds. See this all the time in jiu jutsu.


You can do carotid artery play without causing unconsciousness. Restricting/reducing the blood flow without cutting it off can be GREAT fun. Personally, I prefer hands, but that's just my preference.

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/11/2004 4:48:42 PM   
SentForu


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Status: offline 		Thanks for the thread. I have been curious about this, and have wondered about the specifics. In a vanilla situation, I have had his hands around my neck. It was extremely thrilling. When he saw that I enjoyed it, he would tighten his grip just a bit. Anyways, was just curious and didn't really want to start a post about it yet.

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Myra

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/11/2004 10:18:18 PM   
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It creeps me out too. Of course, I have asthma. I learned how to control my breathing out of necessity.

In short, you people are weird!

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/11/2004 10:25:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Breath play is very new to me. I've not found it to be exciting, at this point it still is very scarey to me.

Master enjoys it and is very very careful always. Words that spring to mind that definatelyapply to breath play are "You can't play with your toy once it's broken}

Be safe!
morgan

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/12/2004 2:19:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Laura
It creeps me out too. Of course, I have asthma. I learned how to control my breathing out of necessity.


I have asthma too. I think perhaps that's part of the draw of breath play for me - the adrenalin rush of the fear, because I *know* how scary it is when I can't breathe.

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/12/2004 3:39:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have done breath play in only two ways:

First, the hands at the throat, not cutting off the air but just restricting it a little. When you have someone bound beneath you, it's a nice little emphasis on just how much control you really have over them... IMO anyway.

Second, pinching the nose while kissing the submissive. Very erotic. Talk about a kiss making you feel lightheaded and see stars!

I have no desire to use masks, etc., for breathplay. I'm just a very hands-on type Dominant and I get off on the mental/visual of My tiny self controlling even the breath of the sub/slave with whom I play, (most of them being men and much larger/stronger than Myself).

The idea of withholding breath to the point of someone passing out is just too scary for Me. Breathplay, not deathplay!

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/12/2004 7:37:28 AM   
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In short, you people are weird!


you say that like its a bad thing

while i personally dont go for breath play (like wyldhearted says, you can't play with your toy once its broken), I don't find myself weirded out by someone who enjoys it (as long as its not my sub on the receiving end)

kink is what you make it

I find needles and such to be edge play, but enjoy imposing bathroom restrictions on my subs. SherriA adores needle play and (I presume) finds it very normal, but the thought of bathroom control is edgy to her (see other threads for more info).

In short, if we weren't 'weird' in some way or another, we wouldn't be in the lifestyle - it's just my 'weird'(kink) is not your 'weird'(kink), and thats fine.

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/23/2004 4:30:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Breath play: edgy stuff but lots of fun.
Remember that you need air!! and even though there are a lot of ways to play you have to understand that it is dangerous and that it can be deadly!!
asphyxiation play can make things a bit more intense from the adrenilin of fear and excitement and the tingly feeling from the lack of oxygen that occures. The methods for axphyxiation vary from place to place but you have to remember a few key things. To go without air for to long can cause a blackout or unconsciousness, which you have to understand can cause some brain damage and even death if the brain is cut off for to long.
Choking: There are a couple very large blood vessles in your neck that carry blood to the brain, a lot of "bouncers" (and others) use what they call a "sleeper hold" that will make a person unconscious in seconds. This is when they cause the blood to stop flowing to the brain and it starts to shut down causing the subject to go unconscious. Just because your play partner is not a bouncer doesn't mean he/she can't do that. So be cautious.
Ok now that the surgeon general's warning is out of the way ....
There are a variety of different ways to do breath play:
One as mentioned above is choking, this is caused by either rope, hands, straps, and a variety of other things wrapped around the throat that constrict the air being inhaled. I recoment that you do not use anything under a 1/4 inch as to not allow the material to "sink" into the skin and make it difficult to remove. I recomend that no knots be used as well (including slip or noose styled knots) because of the time it might take to remove it they get stuck. I also recoment that there be a pair of saftey scissors very handy and if all else fails a razor (I would rather make a small slit on her neck than have her parrish because of bad planning or an accedent). Stay away from the blood vessles as much as possible. (this is by far not even close to a list of precautions or side effects that might happen but a general idea).
Bagging: This is done by placing a bag of some sort (usually plastic) over the head of the "victim" and cutting off the air supply. (DO NOT tie the bag down (see chocking above)). Again there are many things that can go wrong such as inhailing the bag into the throat and nose.
Smothering: This is done by placing something over the mouth and nose such as hands or what a lot of men enjoy by someone sitting on the face. Of course there are a variety of styles of this as there are creative mind but in my oppinion this might be the safest way (if there is such a thing in this style of play) as possible. Being able to remove quickly and unless you've crushed the neck or they have swallowed there toungue able to get air quickly into there system. Be carefull not to allow the subject to inhail to deeply at the very first ... long shallow breaths as to not shock the system with the increased amount of oxygen injected into it
These are ways that I have played and I do this rarely. I have heard of a variety of other ways to play that I would not recomend such as chemicals and even blow fish but I recomend that you really really read up and go to a lot of classes or work shops befor attempting anything more "advanced".
Remember this is a dangerous play and you could be putting your life or the life of others in your hands .... literally.
Play safe,
Krow

PS. Dunking under water is fun but hey .. I'm a sadist.

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/23/2004 9:02:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		asphyxation is far less of a danger, than cutting off the circulation to the brain. thats why i worry when people do things like rope/cord around the neck etc..

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/24/2004 5:07:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: temptation

asphyxation is far less of a danger, than cutting off the circulation to the brain. thats why i worry when people do things like rope/cord around the neck etc..


Actually, directly cutting off blood supply to the brain is generally less dangerous than true asphyxiation.

When you cut off oxygen supply to the brain for long enough, you generally pass out. At that point play stops (Hopefully!) and the person is left with oxygenated blood everywhere but the head. Because the heart and other organs still have oxygen, the unconscious person still has blood flow (the heart doesn't stop) and breathing and the brain gets oxygen pretty quickly and the individual regains consciousness. I have been to a judo class where all 7 members of the class had this done to them at least once in the same night. That class was unusual but "choking" to the point of unconsciousness is not unusual in judo and injuries are rare. They learn a specific procedure to follow for "waking up" their opponents.

When asphyxiation is done, the whole body loses oxygen at the same time. Thus, by the time you realize you have gone "too far" and the person passes out, their whole blood supply is deoxygenated and thus restoring oxygen to the brain and other organs can be a much trickier situation. At the very least, the lungs must operate to restore oxygen to the blood before the brain can begin to recover which makes for a much slower recovery and increased risk of brain damage.

Worse, since the heart is also deprived during asphyxiation, the heart may give out before the brain and thus be the first sign one has gone "too far". Once the heart rhythm is interrupted, serious injury is likely. Death is a distinct possibility and damage to the heart muscle is likely.

Carotid play (cutting off blood supply to the brain while maintaining the airway) is likely less dangerous than asphyxiation even when the vasovagal and cranial vessel stress factors are figured in. (Note: if you already have a history of CVA or transient eschemic event, then you should never do either form of play, even very lightly. Same if you are on anticoagulants for any reason.)

Another thing to consider is that the carotids are pliable. In other words, if you collapse them then they will spring back as long as the heart works. The windpipe is not the same. Pressure to the cartilage of the larynx can cause damage to the cartilage such that removing pressure does not restore patency to the windpipe. In other words, it's possible to collapse the trachea through choking. For this reason, temptation is correct that ropes around the neck can be "more dangerous". Not because of blood supply to the brain, but because of potential damage to the windpipe from extreme pressure. Anyone engaging in that sort of play needs to be very aware of the amount of pressure they are applying. I will only apply pressure to the neck "by hand" so that I can precisely control the pressure.

Leto

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RE: the thrill of breath play - 8/24/2004 6:44:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have some asthma/sinus problems and breath play has been something on my Hard Limit list because it scared me. The Dom i am seeing now and i talked a lot about it and it is something He is interested in. I agreed i would try it ... i have all faith and trust in Him...

He held my throat several times during the scene always seeming to get a little further (more intense) It was great and i loved it... can't wait to try more...

i am not planning on "playing" with another Dom but if i did "breath play" would still be on my hard limit list... think its a major Trust issue for me .... Trusting they really know what they are doing.

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