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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 10:58:52 AM   
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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:01:04 AM   
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Ahhhhhhh DGB, in defense of men on this issue. I think you are just a wee bit confused.

I see far more men stating that they actually LIKE heavier women. If you want to complain to someone for putting down fat chicks, start looking in the collective feminine mirror.

How many fashion magazines do you think would sell if they had fat women on the front. Damned near none. Because you know what, as much as the collective WE like to whine, piss, and moan about THEY........WE are our own worst enemy! Only WE have the ability to change that and it AIN'T by pissing, moaning, whining and making sorry ass excuses for our problems. WE need to get our big girl panties on and
A. take responsibility for our shit and
B. stop placing such high and unrealistic, expectations on ourselves (do you have a clue how photoshopped those actresses and models are??)
C. stop feeling so fucking sorry for ourselves!




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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:05:22 AM   
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If you want to complain to someone for putting down fat chicks, start looking in the collective feminine mirror.


Ain't that the truth.  They are brutal too (recent threads on obesity are evidence of that).  I also believe women dress much more for each other than they do for men, even if they don't realize that's what they are doing.

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:15:49 AM   
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If you want to complain to someone for putting down fat chicks, start looking in the collective feminine mirror.


Ain't that the truth.  They are brutal too (recent threads on obesity are evidence of that).  I also believe women dress much more for each other than they do for men, even if they don't realize that's what they are doing.



There's a tradition of being brutally cruel to women the clique feels is below standard; and simultaneously, a habit of being bitchy to women the clique is jealous of. Nobody can win. I say: abolish cliques and start thinking for ourselves :-) .


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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:21:58 AM   
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Cliques are just people gravitating toward like matter.  It happens all over the place in life. 

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:27:19 AM   
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There's a tradition of being brutally cruel to women the clique feels is below standard; and simultaneously, a habit of being bitchy to women the clique is jealous of. Nobody can win. I say: abolish cliques and start thinking for ourselves :-) .


Kittin, i'm sorry i don't understand Your post here..could You explain it to me? Sorry...

By the way, i find it interesting how many here want to blame the "bitchiness" on cliques... Cliques are by definition a small, exclusive group of people; i guess i don't see that here...Perhaps it's because i'm either blind or stupid.

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:30:25 AM   
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not just here, in general.  See memoirs of a geisha.

I know what these bitches are talking about, I owned 4 slaves once.

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:40:42 AM   
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Cliques are just people gravitating toward like matter. 



Or flies to shit.



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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:44:40 AM   
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I am new to the site and found this thread interesting. In my experience, women who attack other women are usually very insecure, especially women who feel the need to even ask the question, are women born to be bitches? I would expect men to possibly ask that, not women, unless of course, the woman already knows the answer, since, she herself, is one.

As for cliques, again, the women who feel left out cry foul the most and start attacking those they are jealous of. Sort of like the little boy who pulls the pigtails of the girl he really does want, but who will never give him the time of day.

Those who feel left out, tend to stir up trouble from those they seek approval from. What a sad statement this makes on those who feel unworthy to support other women, when we have enough trouble getting equal rights in life.


I would actually disagree on most of these points. Not all but most.


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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:46:11 AM   
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Kittin, i'm sorry i don't understand Your post here..could You explain it to me? Sorry...



Huh, how about you go back to the beginning of the thread? Perhaps you'll understand better :-) .

Seriously now, I detest cliques because of my personal experience (it doesn't matter what they're made of - women, men, co-ed, take your pick). A clique speaks to me of a group with a negative agenda whose main reason is to self-perpetuate. The particular kind of bitchiness that concerns me is often fed by all-women cliques (the ones that bully vulnerable, or simply different, outsiders).

It's very different from a group of friends, for example, or from an fraternity. But I suppose all of us have different opinions on the subject. Yours is welcome.

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ORIGINAL mnottertail

not just here, in general.  See memoirs of a geisha.

I know what these bitches are talking about, I owned 4 slaves once.

Carolus Magnus



... you actually hit the nail on the head here (if you're talking of Arthur Golden, however, his "Memoirs" are apparently heavily romanticised.)

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:48:07 AM   
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that says to me that unless youre actually with the 'in' crowd, you detest them,
and the makes you look very sad

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:49:15 AM   
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Perhaps in your case.  Where I live and work there are many types of cliques, departments, committees, etc.  I don't find anything that special or frightening about groups of people on-line.  This may be because I'm confident in who I am.

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:49:37 AM   
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that says to me that unless youre actually with the 'in' crowd, you detest them,
and the makes you look very sad


Absolutely not: but they'll detest me.

See the difference?

Katy, online groups are the last thing I'm worried about, actually  . And I'm speaking in general, not necessarily from personal experience.

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:51:56 AM   
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There's a tradition of being brutally cruel to women the clique feels is below standard; and simultaneously, a habit of being bitchy to women the clique is jealous of.


Maybe.  I think part of it (re:  obesity) is a fear mentality ". . . is her fault, and if I do thus and thus, that (thing that I'm terrified might happen to me) can't happen to me."

Another part - the dressing for each other - probably is more like a subtle phychological attack on the perceived competition.

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:52:21 AM   
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Seriously now, I detest cliques because of my personal experience (it doesn't matter what they're made of - women, men, co-ed, take your pick). A clique speaks to me of a group with a negative agenda whose main reason is to self-perpetuate. The particular kind of bitchiness that concerns me is often fed by all-women cliques (the ones that bully vulnerable, or simply different, outsiders).

It's very different from a group of friends, for example, or from an fraternity. But I suppose all of us have different opinions on the subject. Yours is welcome.


I think of cliques as a group of friends.  I don't see it as having negative connotations.  I just had lunch with my clique... my girls... also known as my 'bitches'.  lol  All terms used in a friendly, humorous way - not in an exclusive, negative way.  Depends on your perspective.  But I can see the word 'clique' being used in a negative way, more as an exclusive club, but that's not how we use it.  Anyone with a great sense of humor is more than welcome to join. 

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:54:36 AM   
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that says to me that unless youre actually with the 'in' crowd, you detest them,
and the makes you look very sad


Yeah, that's kind of a middle school mentality to me - the 'in' crowd.  I never was a member and it stopped being important to me in high school, when I came more into myself and found the crowd of friends that appealed to me, and I stopped comparing myself to others. 

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:57:19 AM   
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Sure, the word doesn't always have a negative connotation. As I mentioned a long time ago on this thread though, it usually does in the French language. And let's face it, individuals' experience doesn't make it right or wrong, but it helps me enrich my understanding of a word.

All in all, it's all good stuff.

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:57:57 AM   
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that says to me that unless youre actually with the 'in' crowd, you detest them,
and the makes you look very sad


Again, I disagree.

I destest "in crowds" not because I can or, as some would assume, that I cannot belong. It is simply because I detest the very nature of them. The exclusivity. It's part of the reason I hesitate to attend a local BDSM function. Not because I feel I could not, or would not be able to "fit in" if I so desired. It is that I know myself well enough to know that I haven't the patience for the bullshit that tends to run with belonging to most organized groups. I don't kiss ass, I don't tollerate bullying of those less able to fight back, I don't usually agree with the general consensus and I have no compunction in voicing my opinions.

It is no different than any church I have been to. They love you as long as you follow along like a good little sheep. But, voice an opinion that contradicts the herd and you are treated as the spawn of the devil.

I am very confident in myself and I know I am no devil's spawn, I also am not a disfunctional jealous twit that longs to belong to any female "in crowd" I am simply me, being me, happily living my life. I welcome anyone that will accept me as I am without trying to change me to fit their preconceived notion of what they think I should be.

I will always detest the "in crowd" (clique) mentality. It creates blinders and negative predjudism against anyone that doesn't quite fit.


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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:59:04 AM   
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I doubt seriously you would ever find any of us degrading each other and sniping the way the woman on this thread have.


Yeah, I totally relate.  It's a gorgeous thing.  

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RE: Are women born to be bitches? - 2/7/2008 11:59:38 AM   
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I doubt seriously you would ever find any of us degrading each other and sniping the way the woman on this thread have.



I'm curious to know where, exactly.

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But then again, my friends and I are very secure with our looks, lives and each other.



As are most of the women I know, personally or online: and it's all to our credit.

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