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pahunkboy -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 8:11:42 AM)

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kittinSol -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 8:15:20 AM)

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DomKen -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 8:17:17 AM)

I want to thank all of you for the BBC. I watch and listen to World Service every day. Cricket results notwithstanding.

I have really enjoyed the new Doctor Who, well the scond season and on, and Torchwood is a fun ride as well and far too naughty for a US network to ever consider producing it much less airing it.

I tape Qestion Time on a regular basis and must say it is a great way of keeping those in power on their toes. I'd love to see GWB having to deal with question time here.

Although I must say 130 pounds (a year?) seems awfully steep to me.




kittinSol -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 8:45:48 AM)

You get what you pay for :-) . Don't forget that households without a television don't pay the licence fee (granted, they're a rarity). The alternative would be to have the BBC funded by private advertising, and viewers/listeners would pay with the quality of the broadcasting. Which would drop. Big time.




HalloweenWhite -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 9:14:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Taintedblood

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ORIGINAL: HalloweenWhite

Im sorry...did you think the paper would be in black and white and not the picture on the t.v? is that what you said?. Oh dear, I have days like that too! lol :(.


indeed i did it perplexed me for days as to why it would bother people having colour over black and white until i realised they meant the actual tv set picture


Im really sorry I made light of it, but it kind of surprsied Me. I have days like that too btw, when I was learning to drive I managed to forget which lane I was meant to get in when I was tuning into a road! lol.




FirmhandKY -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 9:16:59 AM)

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BBC News is second to none and looked upon that way by many all over the world. Some regard it as the most objective western source of world news.


... and some don't ...

We are biased, admit the stars of BBC News

It was the day that a host of BBC executives and star presenters admitted what critics have been telling them for years: the BBC is dominated by trendy, Left-leaning liberals who are biased against Christianity and in favour of multiculturalism.

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At the secret meeting in London last month, which was hosted by veteran broadcaster Sue Lawley, BBC executives admitted the corporation is dominated by homosexuals and people from ethnic minorities, deliberately promotes multiculturalism, is anti-American, anti-countryside and more sensitive to the feelings of Muslims than Christians.

BBC report damns its ‘culture of bias’

THE BBC is institutionally biased, an official report will conclude this week. The year-long investigation, commissioned by the BBC, has found the corporation particularly partial in its treatment of single-issue politics such as climate change, poverty, race and religion.

It concludes that the bias has extended across drama, comedy and entertainment, with the corporation pandering to politically motivated celebrities and trendy causes.

There's plenty more, just google "BBC bias"

Firm




HalloweenWhite -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 9:19:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Exactly. A hundred and thirty quid for a year's worth of programs isn't very expensive. The BBC can't produce 100% top notch programming... I hear the distress of those that don't actually watch or listen to the BBC, but how can it be funded otherwise than by a general licence fee?

All in all... I say it's pretty good value.


But....why should We -have- to pay for it? we dont have to pay for channel 4,  five, or central except through buying things we see on the adverts, and only then, if we want what's being advertised.




HalloweenWhite -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 9:22:02 AM)

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I agree 100% the BBC are a lazy money grabbing lot. The reason we have to pay is because they're too arrogant to advertise. Then, if you don't pay their rent for them you get find a £1000. The programs they put on are junk-eastenders,all those pointless "homes under the hammer" type shows.

I want companies to -work- to make their money and not be forced to -give- them -My- money to keep them in holiday homes, expensive car and health care.

Get rid of the BBC and see what shite British TV will descend into. Yes there is a lot of junk wallpaper TV but that is due to the demand to have 24 hour channels but the BBC at its best is the best and I've said it before, it sells its best, certainly all over Europe. I have to agree though, most people who watch TV prefer to watch shite, hence the viewing figures for wallpaper TV and only the minority want quality TV. But think about it, do you really want Fox News? Do you really want to confuse programmes with adverts to such a point you don't know if you are watching a programme or an advert as in America?

I have sixty channels from various countries and though I'm not a big TV watcher (I cherry pick), the channel with the most interesting and informative programmes by far, are the BBC's.




RCdc -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 9:25:35 AM)

I don't consider £130 pound steep, considering thats what, £12 a month?  What's that, a CD?  A DVD?  and that's only one 'show'.  No adverts - ROCKS.  Plus people tend to forget what that pays for.  I left out many programmes, what about Jools Holland?  Never Mind the Buzzcocks?  The mighty Boosh?  There are tons of good programmes and I find it surprising that people moan about the quality of shows, my children and I enjoy watching Strictly Come Dancing, it makes a change and it's light entertainment - one of the best 'reality' type shows you can get.  Not to mention the gigs they broadcast, live sets and concerts they stage.
And I haven't mentioned sport as yet, because it's not something we watch, however others do.  So A, we disagree, I think the BBC rocks as an 'institution' personally.  Even the daytime stuff is entertaining at some points.
 
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RCdc -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 9:30:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HalloweenWhite
But....why should We -have- to pay for it? we dont have to pay for channel 4,  five, or central except through buying things we see on the adverts, and only then, if we want what's being advertised.


You don't pay for it by buying things you see in adverts. The Adverts are paying for the programming.[8|]
And If I had the choice, I would rather do without the adverts.  You can only stomach so many 'remortgage' adverts and 'debt counsellor services'.
 
I admit, it would be cool if they pulled out of the having to pay for it.  Then people who bemoan the state would allow us really cool people the chance to see the groovy programmes before the common folk on re-run, split at in oppotune moments to spoil your viewing entertainment.  That works for me.[:D]
 
the.dark.




philosophy -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 9:31:42 AM)

FR

....three points, first one the BBC is accused of left/right wing bias by whatever government is in. This points to an institution that actually holds a government to account.
Secondly, the licence fee doesn't just support the BBC, it also subsidises C4 and C5, as well as ITV. They do gain revenue through advertising, but also recieve money from the licence fee.
Finally, a news program that is dependent on either government largesse or advertising will run into trouble as soon as either the government or an advertiser does something newsworthy and reprehensible. They can either report and lose the money or collude and cover up whatever is embarassing. The licence fee is an imperfect way of avoiding such conflicts of interest.




frazzle40 -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 9:36:31 AM)

£2.50 a week for an unbiased news service. Better value than buying a supposed newspaper.  Damn right it is.    

Plus the programmes Darcy and the Dark mentioned. plus no inane adverts.          

Yes we would all like it for nothing, but it isnt going to happen.   




RealityLicks -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 9:39:30 AM)

The thing about the license fee is, you don't just buy tv and radio for your household but for everybody around you. That means that your whole society has free access to a certain benchmark of quality broadcasting. I think that does make a difference to the society we live in. Its really influential in "setting the temperature" of our times. In this age of a million channels per home, very few people I ask say they never watch the BBC. Most say they watch it more than the channels they pay more money for.

Having done quite a bit there, I can tell you the BBC is definitely not dominated by minority groups - its actually a bit twee and boring in many respects and innately, frustratingly conservative. And, yes as with any massive corporation, there is a degree of waste, layers of pointless management and numerous poor decisions. But when you weigh up what we get for our outlay, I'm not convinced anyone has yet come up with a better way of spending the money.




seeksfemslave -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 9:43:19 AM)

Most who seem to think the BBC is good value list the entertainment and information "success"

Its their socio/political rhetoric that has yielded to  far left political attitudes.
One absolutely glaring example....the emphasis on the "feelings" of the Muslim community and the different treatment given to an Islamic apologist or a BNP spokesperson, if the latter is allowed to speak at all. If you cant "see" that then you are politically naive IMO.

By the way in my library the Koran must be placed on a top shelf so that no book is physically above it.




kittinSol -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 9:45:31 AM)

I really think the Beeb is as unbiased a news media as it could be. Those who argue the contrary feel their interests aren't served as they should be.

And...

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ORIGINAL RealityLicks

Having done quite a bit there, I can tell you the BBC is definitely not dominated by minority groups - its actually a bit twee and boring in many respects and innately, frustratingly conservative. And, yes as with any massive corporation, there is a degree of waste, layers of pointless management and numerous poor decisions. But when you weigh up what we get for our outlay, I'm not convinced anyone has yet come up with a better way of spending the money.



... absolutely.




RealityLicks -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 11:14:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy
Secondly, the licence fee doesn't just support the BBC, it also subsidises C4 and C5, as well as ITV. They do gain revenue through advertising, but also recieve money from the licence fee.


Hi Philosophy, that isn't actually true. C4 used to be partly funded by the ITV network - when it started out, they even used to cross-promote - and in return, ITV got an annuity from C4's ad sales. That was phased out as planned and C4 have been entirely self-funding since. They got into bother with FilmFour but are now pretty sound financially. Five have never received any state funding either.

There is a notion floated from time to time that other broadcasters should be able to dip into the license fee - but only to make programmes that fit areas of the BBC's remit not sufficiently covered.




philosophy -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 11:20:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

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ORIGINAL: philosophy
Secondly, the licence fee doesn't just support the BBC, it also subsidises C4 and C5, as well as ITV. They do gain revenue through advertising, but also recieve money from the licence fee.


Hi Philosophy, that isn't actually true. C4 used to be partly funded by the ITV network - when it started out, they even used to cross-promote - and in return, ITV got an annuity from C4's ad sales. That was phased out as planned and C4 have been entirely self-funding since. They got into bother with FilmFour but are now pretty sound financially. Five have never received any state funding either.

There is a notion floated from time to time that other broadcasters should be able to dip into the license fee - but only to make programmes that fit areas of the BBC's remit not sufficiently covered.


...okies, i thought i remembered a court case a few years back, but i'll sit corrected. Mind you, i stand by my other points......a broadcaster that always pisses off the sitting government sounds about right to me.




FirmhandKY -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 11:22:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I really think the Beeb is as unbiased a news media as it could be. Those who argue the contrary feel their interests aren't served as they should be.

And...

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ORIGINAL RealityLicks

Having done quite a bit there, I can tell you the BBC is definitely not dominated by minority groups - its actually a bit twee and boring in many respects and innately, frustratingly conservative. And, yes as with any massive corporation, there is a degree of waste, layers of pointless management and numerous poor decisions. But when you weigh up what we get for our outlay, I'm not convinced anyone has yet come up with a better way of spending the money.



... absolutely.


kittin .... if you notice the links I posted ... they were NOT outside sources saying there was a deep bias at the BBC. It was the BBC and it's employees themselves.

Firm




philosophy -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 11:27:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


kittin .... if you notice the links I posted ... they were NOT outside sources saying there was a deep bias at the BBC. It was the BBC and it's employees themselves.

Firm



.....so what you're saying is that the BBC staff are aware that no viewpoint is without bias and are big enough to admit it. Contrast with Fox News perhaps? When did they last admit that their news coverage was biased? Or are you seriously suggesting that they are utterly impartial?

For myself i have much more faith that a broadcaster will be as unbiased as possible if they admit the possibility of error.




FirmhandKY -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/6/2008 11:29:21 AM)


Might want to take a couple of seconds and review the actual links.  The stories aren' that long.

Firm




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