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RealityLicks -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/7/2008 1:00:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
I mean that I see no conflict in a news organization having deep biases about certain issues, and how it shapes it reports, and at the same time walking softly around certain powers in order not to kill the golden egg


I don't grasp your point at all but sense that it points to something important. Can you rephrase this so I can finally grasp it?

Again: you show signs not just of misunderstanding how any media organisation works but also the particular relationship between the UK's Gov't and its state broadcaster.

Unlike Fox, which is simply profiting from the anxieties heightened by the war, and can change editorial stance accordingly, the BBC must remain constant. It is funded by direct tax and is subject to immense scrutiny for that reason. You'd need to consider that process of accountability and other related factors in order to appreciate how it demonstrates the principle of impartiality - for the simple reason that the BBC refused to kowtow precisely when the golden egg was being threatened. That wasn't covered in your links, was it covered on Fox?

Fox has already had a decision upheld against it by Ofcom owing to its continuing allegations of BBC bias. Bet that pleased the Digger. But no doubt Ofcom is also anti-American , anti-Christian, etc?

All your links seem to show are anecdotes relating to hypothetical situations and the holding of a seminar - the sort of thing that goes on constantly at the BBC - the brass do have these expensive junkets, sadly. It was reported unfavourably in 2 right wing rags - one of them owned by Murdoch. Who of course is wholly impartial lol

Where's the meat? Where's the part where they talk about actual errors and proven instances of bias, held up by the Board or Ofcom? (That's the process in the UK btw) Those links, I'll gladly read.



FirmhandKY -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/7/2008 2:17:31 PM)


I do not believe you are discussing in good faith.

Firm



RealityLicks -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/7/2008 2:33:14 PM)

I am. I may be distracted but I am absolutely in earnest. Perhaps I'll drop you an email.



FirmhandKY -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/7/2008 2:38:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

I am. I may be distracted but I am absolutely in earnest. Perhaps I'll drop you an email.


Ok.

Firm



LadyEllen -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/7/2008 4:11:37 PM)

Thanks for the update on my favourite Iraqi, Firm!

I'm glad he's OK.

E



RCdc -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/8/2008 5:02:24 AM)

FR
 
I know the news has been the most recent discussion on this thread, but FWIW, I sat and watched Ashes to Ashes last night and it ROCKS!  Total 80's nostalgia and sent me back to my teens.
That alone was worth the £12 odd a month.
 
the.dark.



kittinSol -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/8/2008 7:01:39 AM)

The BBC doesn't just broadcast serious programs, it's also quite a successful production company.

I'm forever thankful for its comedy, for one.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfilms/

edited because what I initially wrote made no sense whatsoever



philosophy -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/8/2008 8:51:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Perhaps we have a disconnect in our understanding.


...entirely possible.....

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When I say "admit to it", I mean publicly. BBC, as shown in several comments in this thread, attempts to maintain the public fascade that it actually is "unbiased".


that's not how i've read the comments. i've read people suggesting that the BBc is an unbiased as it can be, but, to be fair, none of us have quoted the BBC directly. So we can't really level a maintanance of a public facade accusation against an entity we haven't quoted.

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While you and others like to bash "Fox News" for it's "Fair and Balanced" logo, the fact is that its entire marketing plan was to attract a specific, underserved market: conservative to moderates.


.....i'm sure thats how you read it (although one mans moderate is another mans extremist), but let's just table that 'fair and balanced' thing for a bit....

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There has never been any doubt about where most of the "talking head" shows like O'Reilly and Hannity come from, politically.


...true, and is one of things that makes a mockery of that 'fair and balanced' thing......

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BBC and the other liberal networks, however, project themselves as "unbiased" completely, and take offense if called "liberal" and if called on how and what they report. 


...once again, we havent heard from the BBC directly, so how can we fairly suggest that they are taking offence? Consumers of the BBC are taking offence but i'm sure you'd agree that is a different thing.

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That's deceptive to me.


......if the BBC had said 'we have no bias whatsoever' maybe you'd have a point...but you appear to be conflating what users of the BBC say with what the BBC itself claims. The BBC does not say that is is 'fair and balanced', Fox does. Now it can be inferred that we agree that no news outlet can be 'fair and balanced', so i do criticise an outlet that conspicuously claims that moniker. That news outlet is not the BBC, it is Fox.
Surely that is overtly deceptive, a charge you level at the BBC although it has not made that claim.....yet you defend Fox, and that has made such a claim.



Politesub53 -> RE: The BBC, it's role in society? (2/8/2008 10:52:27 AM)

Whatever the case of the corporation as a whole, individual reporters and editors do come across as biased. Watching the BBC on a daily basis shows this, sometimes its biased and sometimes not. Its a shame that the government have stepped in to try and get the BBC to tow the line, threatening to withdraw the license fee ect. Then again, the house of commons is far from unbiased, you only need to read some of the MP`s comments to listen to that. The great British press, at one time fiercely independent, but now under the control of certain individuals, has gone much the same way. The Sun, for example has been both pro and anti Labour depending on Murdochs wishes.

Looking away from the news side of the BBC they have, and continue to have, some of the best individuals available working for them. Dramas and documentaries are normally very good, as is the comedy department. For the money it costs, less than 50p a day, its unbeatable value. The main problem may be us, the viewer, we now expect 24 hr viewing, all to be entertaining and no repeats. Not one TV company, worldwide, is capable of producing that.




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