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cainssub -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (2/8/2008 6:10:15 PM)

thank you for sharing this, though in an ideal situation this would all be true, and believe me i tried it, i just have been disillusioned to the whole online thing.  Master was wonderful at first and it was very difficult to serve in that context, sending pics, using a cam, goin on errands, sending notes back an forth, the trust and friendship we built was incredible and then, the illusion died and i realized it wasnt going to work that way forever.  live and learn, real time is better......




breatheasone -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (2/8/2008 9:55:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Faeorie

The criticism of online Domme/sub relationships...I have talked to some people on here who have told me they 'just don't get' online Domme/sub relationships, or that they are not for them. I can understand where a sub may not be strong enough to carry his/her end of online submission, but I don't see why more Dommes take advantage of all an online relationship has to offer. I'll name just a few here:

1.Fantasy: Storytellers, this is your niche! For individuals like me who are good at writing or who loves to write can find a wonderful creative outlet through email and instant messaging. She/He can create scenes that would not be possible otherwise. Hell, you can be as twisted or as detailed as possible, even delving into the realm of fantasy which would never be physically possible. The second advantage to fantasy is that it forces the sub to use his/her imagination, something that (sadly) most people don't see as important. Forcing a sub to use his/her imagination instead of just doing a task really shows just how much control you have over them. Having to imagine something vs. just enduring something... hrmm, I'd rather have them work for their pleasure.

2. Schedule:  Sure, I'd love to be a Domme with unlimited time to devote to a sub. In a utopia, I'm sure that's the kind of life I would live... have a harem of slaveboys at my feet, serving me. But let's get real right? If you're like me you are more than just a Dom/Domme, you are a busy person who is striving to be sucessful, and have the career of their dreams. Ok, so sadly I see people like that slipping away as time passes on this world, I mean why work long and hard to specilaize in something where I can settle for a less specific position and get paid now? But until I reach that low, I will still be going to school and work towards becoming a Vet. It is a big dream and I plan on achieving it no matter what. This is where an online relationship comes in handy. My sub must take it upon himself to be online when I can. He must work his schedule around mine (which is very busy), thus solidifying my domination over him.

3. Familiarity: No relationship has to be strictly online. In fact, having an online relationship with your sub first before moving to a real life one will be better for the both of you in the long run. In an online relationship you develop trust, you learn more about each other than any interview in person could reveal. Having an online relationship takes away any awkwardness when or if you finally meet up for some real time play. Also, when the meeting time comes, the sub already knows what the Domme/Dom expects and wants from him/her, and the Domme/Dom knows the best way in which to handle their sub having already done it online.

4. Working harder: It's easy to understand how an online sub would have to work harder to please an online Mistress/Master. Since I cannot always see my sub (unless he uses a digital camera or webcam) he has to be able to believably describe to me how something looks or feels, and be able to apply toys or instruments of torture himself.  A sub must be really good at what he does when he can shove a plug up his ass, apply clothespins and bind his own cock and balls  at my order. Through my domination and direction my sub learns self discipline, which is much harder to learn than discipline from others.

5. Impersonality: It takes a real sub to serve a mistress he cannot see. Dominating a sub online makes everything a lot less personal, and keeps the sub form getting too full of himself. Sending pictures of yourself (plain or sexual) can be a form of reward for your sub because they don't normally get to see you. A sub may only meet his Mistress in person when he can prove to her online first that he is worthy of meeting and serving her. It's a great screening process, makes in-person meetings safer (see "online predators"), and you are more likely to get better performance from a sub if you train him online first, truly making him yours.

There are many more advantages to an online relationship, but these are the main ones I see. I talk to my subs online, explain what I would like to do to them (or what I may do if we ever meet), give them orders to follow, make them prove that they are following them, and I also give them assignments to work on during the day and complete before I speak with them again. And if they want to meet me in person? They have to prove that they are worthy of me, and also must earn the priveledge to be dominated in person by me.Some of you may disagree, and I don't really care. Online domination works for me right now, and seems to work for my subs as well.


Seriously....here's a quarter ...buy a clue.....




Faeorie -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (2/11/2008 2:43:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: Faeorie

That's why I go for webcams. My fiance knows about it, encourages it and is even interested in joining in sometimes on the online session.



I don't understand first you explain that your lucky to have real sex due to odd hours both of you work.  Now you say your partner joins in the online sessions implying that you do have time for sex just not with each other.  Your not making much sense or I jsut don't get it.

BadOne


That's why I said he's interested. As in, he can't do it right now, but when we have more time... it's a possibility, if we're not too busy with each other... like in the summer or something. I wasn't saying he was doing it with me now.

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Being an asshole to a kid is a really good role model.


Just wondering what this had to do with this thread...? Must have missed something....

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone


Seriously....here's a quarter ...buy a clue.....



What kind of argument is this? Oh wait... just another person who likes to insult people instead of providing a healthy discussion, ooops my bad. If you have a problem with what I say, refute it, argue it. Especially if you can take my points directly from what I wrote and argue them. I have no idea what you are trying to tell me with "...buy a clue..."




softness -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (2/11/2008 2:58:03 AM)

"It takes a real sub to serve a mistress he cannot see."

"And if they want to meet me in person? They have to prove that they are worthy of me, and also must earn the priveledge to be dominated in person by me."
 
"Plus, I have a fiance, and that relationship is one of my top priorities, that is what's serious to me. I make it quite clear in my profile that I want online only.

"If I'm lucky I have enough energy for real sex, but if not I settle for online "playtime" to help satisfy me until I can get the real thing. And I can be on my laptop and chat while I work. So it's better for me."


so let me just get this perfectly clear in my own head
You have a abusy life (hello on here i dont know anyone who doesn't)
You have a fiance who is your top priority, any sub is a muich lower down priority ... great ..
You are up front about not wanting anything other than online .. presumably because it makes your masterbation more fun when you are too tired to fuck your fiance
You let them believe they can one day go rt with you .. if they are good enough .. but have no intention of actually doing this
On another thread you said you are planning to use the phone but at the moment you have a sore throat so cant, thus i can safely presume you just pick this people up and collar them right away with a e-collar .. because if a slight illness is a benchmark for chronology, we aren't talking long term here

wow .. you are such a catch ... everything I have read that you have posted, is why I dont do online




Faeorie -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (2/11/2008 3:30:58 AM)

"You are up front about not wanting anything other than online .. presumably because it makes your masterbation more fun when you are too tired to fuck your fiance
You let them believe they can one day go rt with you .. if they are good enough .. but have no intention of actually doing this"

Umm, I've already said I dominate my subs online when I am at work. Therefore I don't get to masturbate. I'd get some very odd looks from the residents if I did that. I "fuck" (as you so beautifully put it) my fiance when we can. Sometimes we will forgo things that we need to get done in order to do so, but its not something we can always do. An online sub can one day go rt if they are right for me, but this will take a long time. 4-5 years at the soonest because of school, and work, and so on. Vet school is very demanding, expensive and competitive. I make my intentions clear from day 1 of a subs online submision to me. It's strictly online (for all intended purposes it is... given the time frame of 4-5 yrs), but there is a room for a possibility. I make sure they know the score, so that if it's not their thing... hey, they can search elsewhere.


On another thread you said you are planning to use the phone but at the moment you have a sore throat so cant, thus i can safely presume you just pick this people up and collar them right away with a e-collar .. because if a slight illness is a benchmark for chronology, we aren't talking long term here

Well, as I am fairly new on CM, and have only made a profile a couple weeks ago, so in that case nothing would be considered long term at the moment. I don't pick people up and collar them right away. In fact, all the subs I have came to me first...and stayed even after I explained to them what was going on. They are still free to leave when they feel the relationship isn't fulfilling. What I meant in that post was that I had planned on talking with a sub over this weekend, but upper rep got a hold of me and screwed those plans.

And yes I'll admit my criteria is very selective, and meticulous. This is to insure I have a sub who can cater to my own personal needs and desires as a Domme and vice/versa. There are some subs who want to be #1 in their Dom/Dommes life. That's ok, whatever floats your boat. But there are others who thrive on not being #1.

Yes, I am a catch. I am a catch to those who have "caught" me and love me for who I am. I may not be a catch for you, but eh, opinions and assholes and such. I doubt you'd be much of a catch for me.

And broken record time: No need to be insulting about it.




LadyPact -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (2/11/2008 7:31:57 AM)

I would have thought this one would have died and been buried by now.  Obviously, it hasn't.

To the OP......

Ok.  You've done your bit now in attempting to justify what it is that you feel.  I don't think anyone has argued the fact that you feel the way that you do about the subject.  What people have told you, Myself included, is that not everyone feels the same way about it.  I don't think you are going to convince those of us who feel differently to change our opinions.  For some, the online thing works.  For others, it doesn't.


I wouldn't trade My sub being here at My feet for the best ten subs I could think of online.  Trust Me, I could easily name ten from right here on the boards who are fabulous people, who would make wonderful subs for Me if they were anywhere close to Me geographically.  The thing is, they're not.  Oddly enough, they want the real thing, too.  Not a diversion.  Not something they can 'fit in' to their schedule around their life.  They want the physical, along with the mental, like most people do.  Who could blame them? 

There was a question that I asked about four pages ago that was never answered.  I wonder if you would like to answer it now?  Simply put, how many of those who are serving you online would prefer that to what they could potentially have in meatlife?  Would you, or would they, be going on about how wonderful electronic domination is, if the opportunity for the physical could be had in it's place?  That answer helps to define the debate.




Chaze -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (2/11/2008 10:49:01 AM)

I agree with you comment about the critics, and off these advantages, at any time the other party starts the internet domme nonsense or wonders off into domme la-la land a simple click she is off to the human refuge pile with her sisters.




Faeorie -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (2/11/2008 2:05:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I would have thought this one would have died and been buried by now.  Obviously, it hasn't.

To the OP......

Ok.  You've done your bit now in attempting to justify what it is that you feel.  I don't think anyone has argued the fact that you feel the way that you do about the subject.  What people have told you, Myself included, is that not everyone feels the same way about it.  I don't think you are going to convince those of us who feel differently to change our opinions.  For some, the online thing works.  For others, it doesn't.


I wouldn't trade My sub being here at My feet for the best ten subs I could think of online.  Trust Me, I could easily name ten from right here on the boards who are fabulous people, who would make wonderful subs for Me if they were anywhere close to Me geographically.  The thing is, they're not.  Oddly enough, they want the real thing, too.  Not a diversion.  Not something they can 'fit in' to their schedule around their life.  They want the physical, along with the mental, like most people do.  Who could blame them? 

There was a question that I asked about four pages ago that was never answered.  I wonder if you would like to answer it now?  Simply put, how many of those who are serving you online would prefer that to what they could potentially have in meatlife?  Would you, or would they, be going on about how wonderful electronic domination is, if the opportunity for the physical could be had in it's place?  That answer helps to define the debate.



Well, people keep asking questions, so, I answer. I must have missed your question, sorry. I'll answer it now. I can't say for sure whether my subs would prefer real life domination to online. My guess is as good as yours really. Part of me wants to say that yes, they would like rl... but then I know they are in school, or have a job that they just can't drop everything to come see me. I can't do that either so we have a good understanding. Even if we met up in rl, I'd still hold my beliefs about online domination. Notice that I don't say that online is better  than rl, only that it has some good aspects and shouldn't be disregarded as "not real" or "Only fantasy." Even if they visited once a week for real time sessions, I'd still dominate them online when they weren't with me, because I'd be taking advantage of the good aspects that online Domming provides, advantages that I listed in my original post. The internet has many benefits... Hell, a lot of rl Doms/Dommes met their subs/slaves here on collarme on the internet. Which means all of you had to have some sort of an online relationship (relationshiup can denote lovers, friends, or just like-minded people, doesn't always have to be a romantic relationship,) before you met, even if it was to send a couple messages. I doubt anyone just blindly sent their address or agreed to meet without first establishing that they shared something. Perhaps I'm wrong. One of the benefits of an online relationship was that it helps you get to know the person better before you meet them in person, I stated that in the beginning too.

I was willing to let the topic die, but then question arose, and I answered and explained myself. I created the thread mainly for those who were on the fence on how they felt about the subject, or to help those that take part in online relationships to feel like they're not alone out there. Maybe I opened a few eyes too, maybe not. Maybe I made one person more open-minded. Who knows?




bella19 -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (3/10/2008 6:46:21 PM)

I met my Master in a chatroom of all places :) the relationship started out just for fun but now we've gotten quite serious. He knows me and knows what I need and how I feel, and I never have to say a word. Getting to know him online first was better for me because there was no pressure. I just had to be me and hope he was okay with it




SailingBum -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (3/10/2008 9:45:27 PM)

Taken right from her profile
"I drink occaisionally and smoke pot daily. I function normally in society, I'm not a drug addict"

Those of us that know something of addiction realize this is called denial.  So big deal your what we call a "functioning drug addict".  There is all kinds of help available for you.  Oh wait your NOT a drug addict.  Get your life in order before you take on any new relationships.

I wish you well.  BadOne




petpete -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (3/11/2008 12:32:52 AM)

As for my 2 bob on this matter the internet is a great place to interact and meet people. It can become obsessive due to the closeness and the ability people can get to reach out to others from all over the world and preferably local ones to find what they sort after. i think that everyone starts here as a way to meet and get to know each other a little bit better and then if they seem to find compatibility points they move on and try to create the next step which is to meet in reality with each other. If that doesn't happen then i'm afraid we are living an illusion. Dreams and hopes will only take body form when people will actually find the grounds to meet. From my side and my experience i have met some great people through this site and i'm greatfull for that. i also took the steps to meet them and make future plans. i used all the resources that i had to my disposal, and almost believed in the dream, but on the other hand i know i have a life here already. Life was meant to be lived on a real way. Feelings and senses are only satisfied when they come to contact with the desired and the cravings. We cannot fulfill our hunger by watching the food on the screen, neither we can feel the warmth of an online fire. Humanity will and can improve graphics and anything that can be visible satisfying, but nothing will satisfy as a human touch or a real life person to person contact.




Justme696 -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (3/11/2008 1:46:40 AM)

A relation happens, you don't plan it. If it happens online..then it happens..don't push it away..it might lead to more.
(online only..is a choice....when you chose..you have thought about it...and therfor accepted it)




petpete -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (3/11/2008 2:07:51 AM)

Would you like to be a spectator, or be part of the action??




Justme696 -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (3/11/2008 2:18:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: petpete

Would you like to be a spectator, or be part of the action??


that is what I said.....it can start online. ;) and can go elsewere
We all start as spectators anyway...then become part of the action when it connects. If this is on a party..a bar..or online...first we are distant..then we grow closer.




petpete -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (3/11/2008 2:26:33 AM)

i agree with you justme. Good luck my friend with your endeavours.




Justme696 -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (3/11/2008 2:30:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: petpete

i agree with you justme. Good luck my friend with your endeavours.


I met several people here..and gladly I was able to meet them or will meet them soon.
I learned in time, that people in real life can be as cruel and unfair as the ones I meet here....and as beautifull.
It is important to know for all..that you are not talking to a computer...but to a person of flesh and blood....
(but yes..I agree..people can also hide behind it..)

thank you petpete, same to you and the yours :)

Damian




Lumus -> RE: Thoughts on Online relationships (3/11/2008 1:26:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Faeorie

Some of you may disagree, and I don't really care.


So...why did you post?  Were you feeling all Domly about starting a thread and expecting no discourse as a result?  This kinda boggles me.

In response to your points - I don't think anything is wrong with an online relationship.  I wouldn't call it superior by any stretch of the imagination; if I thought that, my girl, whom I met online, would not be moving up here to be with me.

Fantasy's great, but some of us want to be sucked off in real life, not shaking hands with Cap'n Cyclop.

Schedules can be worked around; it's all about prioritization.  If there is a period of time where everything else has to be put on hold...well, that's life.  I'm sure all the parents who see this point will relate!

Familiarity is good, certain works for me; I wouldn't say the best way to get to know someone is online.  I wouldn't call it the safest way, either.

I can't really agree with your commentary on working harder.  Sorry, I think if a Dom wants their sub to work harder, they'll find a way.  Vacuuming comes to mind.  Better results usually come from effort, not fantasy; I'll never make coffee with the Jedi mind trick.

Lastly, regarding impersonality...that's a big no-no for me.  I don't want anyone to serve me without knowing me, which online is good enough for regarding any mental gymnastics - how I like my supper, which orifice is my favourite...  Will a person try harder for me if I'm not there?  Probably the inverse.  My virtual hand can slap their virtual ass all it wants - they can still defy me, especially if they're of a SAM bent.

I agree that online has its merits, but it's not the best.  I'm sure you don't want to hear that.  I'll direct you back to the quote of your own post that I put at the top.





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