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KenDckey -> Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 6:19:10 AM)
OK I wonder alot. LOL I was sitting here thinking. The race is so close between Obama and Clinton that I wonder if it is tearing apart the party. There appears to be alot of infighting between whom can beat McCain, whose programs are better, and who is going to be the one. The Republicans seem to be galvanizing. McCain has what he needs now and I think his support will only grow within the party. What do you guys think?

mnottertail -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 6:47:03 AM)
no chance of it. If I had my druthers at this point (tho it never would happen) Bama Prez Hilly VicePrez Colin Powell Secy Defense Bill OMB McCain Secy State now, if I could kick everyone down one and be prez I would have William F Buckley as my advisor and when you saw the photo ops of me meeting with the cabinet, my monkey meat eating shit eating grin would not be because I was prez, but several personal staffers would be under the table with their tits in my hands as they worshipped the presidential symbols of power linguisticallly. I would say goddammit, (sharp inhale of smoke and all said in a I feel your pain sort of voice) Billy Jeff, get me some goddamn money in that treasury, (inhale) Billy J, I ain't bullshitting......I will send monica over you get that done Whore Hillary, get me some goddamn universal healthcare that works, and some education or I will beat your ass. Get all them kids that are left behind Colin, straighten out my military, hole up on the new tech dawg, lets get some basics under control. McCain, get out there and repair relations, but talk tough and let them know we aint taking any shit. Bama make me some speeches and get the congress together. Maestro

lauren0221 -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 6:59:22 AM)
I think you just won my vote, Ron:)

celticlord2112 -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:01:27 AM)
Democrats tearing apart? One can only hope!

servantforuse -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:05:32 AM)
McCain is a moderate. Hillary or Obama will have a very hard time beating him in November. Thats the good news for the Republicans.

kdsub -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:16:11 AM)
This is an unusual election year...so far. Other than a very brief outburst by Clinton, there has been little in the way of dirty politics. They are cordial and running on the differences in the way they would implement the same legislation. Who ever is the winner in the end… they will be wholeheartedly supported by all democrats. McCain is also not a mudslinger… this could be an interesting election where issues are debated and not who screwed whom…I hope. Butch

mnottertail -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:18:29 AM)
That may well be; Butch, and I am inclined to agree in the main; but that 527 money is gonna want blood, the bloodier the better. Davy Jones

toservez -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:18:48 AM)
Seriously some wishful thinking on your part! I think the Democrats are doing what the Democrats always do. They have a campaign that is just like a general election and go after each other. Not saying it is the right thing to do but the party is far from tearing a part. I do not know what you were watching or if you did not watch at all the coverage last night but your take on the Republican party galvanizing behind McCain is a what the heck type statement. Huckabee is winning most of the South states. Romney is winning most of the closed caucuses and McCain is winning the open primaries not in the South for the most part. Exit poll after exit poll shows all of McCain’s support coming from the moderate and liberal in the Republican Party and independents. The conservative base hates him and is not voting for him. Republican Party is far from galvanized for John McCain and is very clearly at this point split into very clear groups. Edited because I wanted to add the Democrats are tripping over money and all the Republicans have money issues. That is also a sign that the support is not there.

mnottertail -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:20:49 AM)
toservez, My bets are that McCain will take Huckabee as VP. Don't be surprised if you see Lieberman in his cabinet, should he prevail. How do you see that? Ron

Shawn1066 -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:24:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail My bets are that McCain will take Huckabee as VP. I'm betting on that as well. DV's Fox

toservez -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:37:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail toservez, My bets are that McCain will take Huckabee as VP. Don't be surprised if you see Lieberman in his cabinet, should he prevail. How do you see that? Ron I think there is no way Lieberman is McCain’s VP unless they believe they have no shot and is done for history type thing. I think how the Republicans are acting is fascinating. The fact is if Clinton wins the nomination I think McCain probably beats her easily because it will give more energy to the Republican base and McCain will draw the people in the middle which is who really decides the election. If he nominates Huckabee all bets would be off as he scares most Americans that are not already die hard Republicans. If Obama win the nomination at this point I think he walks into the Whitehouse which is something that I would have never considered a few months ago. I think it is funny with seven years of King George and six years he had a Republican controlled congress that the only thing everyone seems to be in agreement with from both parties is everyone wants change. Republicans can wish all they want about wanting a strong conservative as President but it is just not going to happen. They should galvanize over McCain because he is there only hope in the national election. For their part to collectively hold their breath and stomp their feet mimicking King George is fruitless. They need to realize it is McCain or someone even more left… A DEMOCRAT! Lin Editied to fix grammer and a general butchery of the written language.

kdsub -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:42:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail That may well be; Butch, and I am inclined to agree in the main; but that 527 money is gonna want blood, the bloodier the better. Davy Jones Could be wrong...but I think this group of candidates will disavow them if they get too dirty and mean it. But then again I may be just naive

Owner59 -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:44:32 AM)
lol. I think you got it bacwards. If you heard Mitt complaining about an alleged secrete deal between McCain and the Huckster,you wouldn`t think things are so good on the republican side. Shooting someone in the back might end a fight,but it doesn`t tend to make people friendlier. I heard Mitt might bail today.He payed a little over a million per delegate,and all he gets is a dammed t-shirt. If you think about it,he spent more than 260 mil.,just to get a chance to give a speech at the convention.Yup,a lousy t-shirt. What infighting were you referring to on the dem side? Anything like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lTYlJzK6GY&feature=related Look at Hannidy trash McCain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw2JYs9-qe8 More http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFiBF9o5vs When ask why she`s so angry,Coulter says"He`s a lot angrier,he lies a lot more,he has no honor,yadda-yadda". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAMjNGZA9i0 "he needs liberals and indipendents to support him,most conservatives will not." O`Reilly goes on to trash and trash.Billo`s also fully into crybaby mood in this vid.Sooo put upon ,he is....[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m17.gif[/image] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goZVNoaLhbg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It`s still to early to say what will happen with the Dems. It was only a month or so ago,that Judy was at 39%,to McCain`s 19.In politics,a month is a lifetime,give or take a few decades. Today,Hillary has 74 more delegates than Barack,but it`s still a super tight race.Chuck Todd,someone I trust to be fair,called it razor thin.I agree w/ him. I predict a better and more civil race,especially if the media stops trying to bait them into a fight. My understanding of the "fight",was that a campaign worker for Barak in SC started it and Bill ended it,quickly. There were some sore feelings over it,but no big deal.The media just went on and on,though.Those bottom feeding fuckers.Worse then the town gossip.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:56:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse McCain is a moderate. Hillary or Obama will have a very hard time beating him in November. Thats the good news for the Republicans. Good news for the country. Billary or Obama would be a catastrophe as President.

DomKen -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 7:57:22 AM)
McCain looks strong right now but the conservatives hate him so I think we'll still see some sort of movement to support Huckabee. The absolut ebest thing for McCain is for Romney to stay so the realists who want a conservative will vote for Romney while the evangelicals who consider Mormons to not be christians will continue to vote for Huckabee. That will split McCains opposition and let him win but without strong support from his party's base I don't see how he wins in Nov. An issue will be made increasingly about his age and health which will put a great deal of attention on who his VP is so picking a conservative to try and reenergize the base could backfire by alienating the independent moderates who are his primary supporters. I personally would be quite shocked to see McCain win in Nov. especially as he is fairly strongly in favor of the Iraq war, last I heard, and is no economic guru.

Shawn1066 -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 8:01:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen I personally would be quite shocked to see McCain win in Nov. especially as he is fairly strongly in favor of the Iraq war That depends how the War is going around that time. In the past few months, it's far from the top issue on the minds of voters...especially since the troop surge has toned down the violence in the area signifigantly. If this keeps up until November, McCain can point to the troop surge as an idea that he supported and it may even become a strength in his appeal among the right. But yes, if Hillary gets the nomination, I have a feeling a lot of the Republicans who don't support McCain will jump on board. Crazy Coulter, of course, not being one of these. I also fully believe he'll have a VP who can attract Conservative votes. DV's Fox

pahunkboy -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 8:04:22 AM)
not splitting this is how erections are done, Obama is my 2nd choice after Ron PAUL- who got no mention on super duper dildo tuesday, if he is out by 3-24 ill re-register to vote so i can on 4-22.

mnottertail -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 8:07:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse McCain is a moderate. Hillary or Obama will have a very hard time beating him in November. Thats the good news for the Republicans. Good news for the country. Billary or Obama would be a catastrophe as President. quite easy to say, and the sort of thing that is quite often offered, but doesn't hold much merit, what exactly are they going to do that could be worse than what Bush has done, and how do you believe that to be true? Ron

Owner59 -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 8:09:23 AM)
Anyone notice that Hillary won Mass.? And with a good margin? The governor`s,both Senators Kerry and Kennedy`s endorsement and all the hoopla from the press over it and still she prevailed. Maybe Popeye was correct that Kennedy`s endorsement wasn`t such a good thing. I would love to see a ~Clinton/Obama~ bumper sticker on my pick-up this summer.<dreams>(Obama/Clinton would be ok too)

MrRodgers -> RE: Are the Democrats Tearing Apart? (2/6/2008 8:12:33 AM)
No, the dems are not falling apart and maybe the repubs are but there is little new in this campaign as for party intrigue. A McCain nomination will have many conservatives staying home rather than vote at all. He would have us maintain a military presence in the middle east forever and will lose many votes on that one issue. The rest of the republicans with the exception of Ron Paul (who will not be and obviosuly has not been bought and why he has been deprived exposure) are forum fodder. Clinton's election would have Bill run for her seat in the senate or when it comes...nominated for the supreme court. An Obama administration while presumed not-for-sale...all bets are off as to just how it would be except the troops would be out in a year or less. BTW, no way in hell would Hillary accept the VP on his ticket...she'll just go back to the warm cacoon of the senatorial political class.

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