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RE: no limits rant - 9/9/2005 5:49:43 AM   
flaire


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Dear Firefey

The whole 'no limits' sub I think is a fantasy of some. It starts online. The whole 'I want to be a slave and belong to another and have no will of my own' I think is rather attractive to some.

I have limits, I've always had limits. I run away screaming from those who say they don't. It creats immense risks for the individual and the BDSM community when it all goes terribly wrong.

What worries me is the newbie who sees these antics and believe that it's the way they should be. All I can say, that unless you want to engage in some extremely illegal and repugnant activities - don't say you have 'no limits'. You might meet someone who takes you up on it.

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RE: no limits rant - 9/9/2005 6:51:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chellekitty
as for creating limits...i know of a Dom that has a 10" diameter butt plug that he brings out for his "no limit" prospects....

when my Master was still active in the BDSM community, his usual trick was the dildo nicknamed "Oh My God" ... because most people would say that the moment they saw it :)

for the ones that persevered even so, he also had a hedge trimmer in his toy bag to pull out

everyone has limits ... subs can negotiate whether or not they're soft or hard. slaves can just hope their Master won't push them. they're still there though, no matter what.

I think anyone who says they have "no limits" is lying, and dangerous to themselves and to the dominant as well. if they can't be open and honest about where their particular minefields lie, both parties are likely to get hurt somewhere. and yes, I include dominants in this from both sides, they have limits too.

trust and honesty go hand in hand - without honesty, there can be no trust.

~miika
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Some who are too scrupulous to steal your possessions nevertheless see no wrong in tampering with your thoughts.
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RE: no limits rant - 9/9/2005 11:16:49 PM   
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I don't think it is necessarily a lack of experience that causes someone to say they have "No limits", I think it is a lack of understand of what this lifestyle can encompass...

When my Master first gave me a BDSM survey to fill out, most things listed were a little odd (it was my very first experience to the "lifestyle")... Spanking, whips, etc. There were a couple of things I had to look up on like (water sports, the crying thing)... Parts of it made me blush, and there were only a couple of things I wouldn't do...

However, looking at a recent list of things housed under this "lifestyle" now.. Well, there are things on here I never thought consenting people would do... Real things that cause real damage...

My personal thought is/was who would participate or want to participate in things like burning, cutting, or other "edge" games? I didn't think of these things being a limit because (in my opinion only) they are inane; no sane human would participate or want to! And I think that is sometimes the opinion new subs (or even experienced ones) might think.

When I think about it, I would try just about everything, however, I would not let anyone amputate anything and anything that would jeoprodize my career or family is also off limits, obvious right? Well, I've seen many mentions about people wearing big honking collars all over the place.. Although I'm sure I wouldn' get fired for wearing it, no matter how dedicated I am to my Master, there is no way I would go to work wearing one. Absolute hard limit - wouldn't wear anything that was suggestive either...

I think limits are open to individual interpretation.

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RE: no limits rant - 9/10/2005 11:28:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

Libby was once in conversation with a woman who insisted that she had "no limits." My darling then said, "What if your master decided to give up kink and the two of you should live a vanilla life." The woman looked at her with horror and said, "But he'd never do THAT."

Libby's response was "Oh, you do have limits; you just hope he won't test them."

That's often the case with experienced people who claim to have no limits. What they are saying (and this is good thing) is that they and their partner are compatable enough that nothing should come up that's a limit.

When novices bring up the "no limits" claim, I just feel it's a combination of a lack of experience and a lack of imagination. My role in the scene is that of an educator so I keep around a few stainless steel shark hooks and an autographed photo that Fakir Mustafar gave me [evil grin].

THAT usually gets the conversation about limits going.


You've said what i've tried to say on other forums better than i've ever been able to put it.

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

Libby's response was "Oh, you do have limits; you just hope he won't test them."

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That's often the case with experienced people who claim to have no limits. What they are saying (and this is good thing) is that they and their partner are compatable enough that nothing should come up that's a limit.


...that is exactly what i think (and i'm glad someone experienced like you has a similar thought)... i think people who claim to have "no limits" have them... but they trust their compatibility with their partner enough so that they don't believe any "limit" they might have will come up.

...thanks for saying that so well........ ^_^

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RE: no limits rant - 9/11/2005 7:34:38 AM   
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"Tell me about yourself" usually makes me back away. I don't talk like that nor do I hear it IRL, so why online? I generally respond with, "What do you want to hear?", because it is too vague. Does the person want to hear about my dogs? family? volunteer work? political leanings? opinions about the problems of democracy? college majors? trips? ambitions?

Why, no, none of that. Generally they want to hear what I did in bed last night.

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RE: no limits rant - 9/11/2005 10:38:48 AM   
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I think the whole "no limits" thing comes from people spending too much time in chat rooms and not enough time in real life activities. When I was first introduced to this lifestyle 8 months ago at the grand old age of 49, I ventured into chat rooms to investigate what this was really all about.

What I found so shocked and horrified me that the man who recognized my potential as a willing submissive had to have a stict talk to me about real limits and defining those limits. Would you have sex with children? No....that's a limit. A good one but still a limit. Would I allow him to cut my skin and make me bleed. No again. Once again, a limit.

People on-line only conceptualize these things in their heads and don't actually think about doing them or having them REALLY done to them. So, of course, on-line, where things aren't real, they can have sex with children or have a breast cut off for the dom to which they are "collared" today. In numerous chat room, there are extensive "scenes" where submissives suffer single tailed whips till they shred their skin. Sure.....

My point is that when you get a response like "I'll do anything for you", recognize that you are corresponding with someone who has no r/l experience. Even though they may claim to have 7 years in this lifestyle, it is all on-line, in their heads.

It's only long after you've known someone for years and years, trusting that their own limits are within your own, that you can truly claim "I'll do anything for you", knowing you will not be asked to cross that line where your own limits reside.

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RE: no limits rant - 9/11/2005 10:14:59 PM   
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The "no limits" thing seems to pop up here every couple of months or so it seems. It is always, to me, a humorous thread to read. Not to long ago, there was one where slaves posted insisting that they were no limits and would do whatever master said, and yes right down to physical mutilation. The "but He would NEVER ask that of me" was the big way around it.

Hopefully, we all find or have found someone with whom we are so compatible that we can consider no limits to exist between us and our partner. I never deny that I am still a novice in this lifestyle. Things I would have called a "hard limit" 2 years ago have now turned into a "hmmm, that sounds kind of interesting". Submission, to me is an ever evolving journey.

There are some things that I will ALWAYS consider hard limits. I could meet the master of my dreams tomorrow (I wish!) and we could ride off into the sunset together and live many glorious years of compatibility where things can reasonably be considered "no limits". But if one day that dream master walked in the door and told me that he decided that he would like me to become a human toilet, my dream would have suddenly become a nighmare! For me at least, the idea of consensual slavery only works as long as our ideas remain "in sync".

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RE: no limits rant - 9/12/2005 7:21:54 AM   
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a submissive who says they have no limits with an absolute stranger, is either stuck deep in a world of fantasy and make-believe, or they're bent on suicide.

but, there is such a thing as having no limits. and i find the term "no limits slave" a bit redundant, since imo the very fact that one is a slave, owned property, makes things like personal limits impossible. as a slave, i have no limits with my Master. and no it did not take time, trust, etc., to get to that point. the second i became his property, i lost all right to limits of my own. that does not mean that everything is pleasant for me, or something i will desire, or something that won't harm me greatly emotionally or physically...it just means that i no longer have a say in what i am or am not subjected to.

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RE: no limits rant - 9/12/2005 3:50:37 PM   
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This “no-limits slave” topic seems to go the way of those other oft-mentioned themes: where are all the “real” _____________, why don’t people answer their e-mails or spell-check when they do answer them, what is the difference between submissive and slave, et al.

Master gave this slave the opportunity to serve Him at a semi-public(play party) as a "submissive" to a dominant couple. Before the scene, we sat down and they explained what they wanted to do, asked if there were limits to what they could do and if there were any questions about what was going to happen. It mattered not to this slave what the scene would entail…the only thing this slave desired out of that scene was to please Master. trusting that Master appreciates the level of health, functioning and mere existence of His slave, snuff, cannabalism and necrophilia would be out of the question. Master isn't into pedophilia, so obviously kids aren't going to be involved. Those appear to this slave to be universal, however there are the exceptions, such as the non-consensual one that escaped from an evil and ran into two girls who called the cops. when the police arrived they paid more heed to the evil man than the two girls. The evil man told the officers that the asian boy was 19 and was his lover, and convinced them they had simply had a lovers tiff. They agreed to escort the teenager back to the man's apartment and left them to it, despite the protestations of the two girls. The man was Jeffrey Dahmer, a depraved and psychopathic serial killer, cannibal and necrophile, and the boy was 14, the 13th of Dahmer's 17 victims. even though we are discussing CONSENSUAL submission/slavery, these are the types of horror stories that people bandy about and keep folks from getting out into their communities and enjoying their lives. To have set so many limits for yourself that you do not participate in your life is very tragic. To blindly follow a complete stranger into a situation where your life becomes an unsolved mystery or gorey crime-scene is just as tragic. Is there a happy medium? this slave believes that there are "no-limits" slaves and submissives "with limits".

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“Well, I've seen many mentions about people wearing big honking collars all over the place.. Although I'm sure I wouldn' get fired for wearing it, no matter how dedicated I am to my Master, there is no way I would go to work wearing one. Absolute hard limit”…orig:mystictryst


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“But if one day that dream master walked in the door and told me that he decided that he would like me to become a human toilet, my dream would have suddenly become a nighmare! For me at least, the idea of consensual slavery only works as long as our ideas remain "in sync".”…FLButtSlut


Not picking on these posters, just using them as an example and hopefully they won't mind. an example of what would not be considered by this slave to be a “no-limits slave”, but as a submissive end of a relationship. These have hard limits that apparently have nothing to do with physical health and safety, morality or even as a direct threat to the condition of one’s employment. Common sense aside that leaves us with merely personal preference, and there is nothing wrong with it, any Master they would have would have to comply with their limits.

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as a slave, i have no limits with my Master. and no it did not take time, trust, etc., to get to that point. the second i became his property, i lost all right to limits of my own. that does not mean that everything is pleasant for me, or something i will desire, or something that won't harm me greatly emotionally or physically...it just means that i no longer have a say in what i am or am not subjected to…orig:daddysprop247


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to belong to him so completely I'd never use a safe word with him. I do have a sense of pride in the fact that I trust my Master, and He's trust worthy enough to have no limits be something we share between us.
This is not something I extend to any of the other Doms I play with or something that should be entered into lightly in my opinion…orig:plantlady64


Not picking on these posters either, and hopefully their Master's won't mind but as examples of what this slave would consider to be a “no-limits slave”. They consider themselves slaves, though, and to some, it is a given that once you serve as a slave, your limits become the ones Master has FOR YOU. yet another reason why it is a real good idea to have open honest communication flowing between the two parties BEFORE the relationship moves forward.

for some folks, the fear of the unknown, or the fear of some "evil" keeps their limit list a page and a half long....but, the bottom line in our relationship goes like this: it's all about what does or does not please Master. At 36 years old, this slave's limits became Master's to decide, she has none of her "own", but if this slave was NOT Master’s property than she would have more than several and wouldn’t refer to herself as a slave unless she was prepared to be told what her limits would be, instead of the one doing the telling. some might consider that to be unsafe or inane or impossible(insert paranoid rant which concludes the only safe place is wrapped in the arms of Big Brother, in front of a screen), but it doesn’t matter to this slave what they think. this slave trusted 100% her instincts, her intelligence and the Heavenly Father when putting trust in Master to abandon any limits this slave had before becoming His slave and to trust Him to set limits, if any, with regard to His slave. Your mileage not only may, but will vary….no two relationships are the same.

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RE: no limits rant - 9/13/2005 2:56:45 PM   
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Mercnbeth (beth specifically),

I certainly take no offense at your quoting from my post for an example, however, I think you might have misunderstood me somewhat.

Most of what I learned about how "no limits" is more than just a concept or a theory, I learned from reading posts by you and Merc. An essential part of your relationship of course revolves around trust, and the two of you often seem, to me at least, as the "poster children" for successful, loving bdsm relationship. I also know that the two of you talked extensively about everything before entering into that relationship.

Due to all of that talking you were aware of the common values that the two of you held, which was a vital factor in moving forward to a Master/slave relationship. I certainly have no idea what Merc's likes/dislikes/desires are. As you said, the snuff, cannibalism and children is pretty much universal as things that most do not concern themselves with because they are also limits for Master. My point, however, is that if one day Merc came home and said that he had just read/seen/heard how inducing a sub into a coma would increase his pleasure tenfold, you aren't going to do it. Or perhaps, one day you turned to him and told of your sudden desire to become an extreme prostitute taking on 10-20 men a day (Because I know that Merc allows you to express your desires with him), chances are Merc is not going to be going for it (or maybe he is, but you get my point). Yes, I picked something I found to be the most extreme, bizarre thing I could think of. But I did that to illustrate that if one day either one of you developed desires for something that was "off the map" of reasonability to the other, those issues would have to be confronted. Now I know that Merc is not going to ever want to induce you into a coma, but if someone is truly "no limits" then it means that he could, and you couldn't say anything about it.

Your relationship works as no limits because you are, as I said, "in sync". For the two of you, it will likely always stay that way. But for others, when there is a drastic change to the dynamic of the desires, it can immediately change no limits to mean there are limits. Because everyone has limits, some are more extreme than others, but being a slave does not stop you from having an independent thought process, so when the extreme becomes more extreme than you can accept, there is a limit.


By the way, it is NOT phsycially healthy to consume feces.

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RE: no limits rant - 9/14/2005 10:38:05 AM   
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FLButtSlut,

thank you for your kind words. this slave has been blessed with this relationship and believes very much that others can be just as blessed in theirs~trust, and open honest communication are at the heart of it's success.

this slave believes that she understands your position, in that as long as the "limits" or dynamic of desires are in sync, a slave could say they have no limits and be justified in saying so. what this slave was trying to express by using your example is that there are folks who enter into a relationship based on a Master/slave dynamic who have limits and retain them, individually, such as the slave retaining the right to limit just how edgey their edge play, if any, will be. some say that is a slave "with limits", some say that is a submissive and the term "no-limits" slave is redundant, or absurd, or impossible to achieve even in a committed relationship.

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But I did that to illustrate that if one day either one of you developed desires for something that was "off the map" of reasonability to the other, those issues would have to be confronted. Now I know that Merc is not going to ever want to induce you into a coma, but if someone is truly "no limits" then it means that he could, and you couldn't say anything about it.


you are absolutely correct, and this slave trusts Him completely with her life. this slave is certain that if He developed desires for something this slave would otherwise, from a pre-slave perspective of personal preferences have considered too extreme, we would explore them as He desires. to this slave, that IS the difference between sub and slave. that is not to say that that is how everyone should define it within their relationship and then we all get to hold hands and buy each other coca-cola's. yes, this is where it can digress into debate over safewords, or where we get dangerously close to the slave versus submissive debate and it is NOT this slave's intention to rally folks to beat what is left of either of those dead horses!!!! (people really should use the search function more, eh?)

the topic here was discussing the need to assert oneself as, or even the existence of a "no-limits" slave which infers that slaves WITH limits exist. as this slave stated before, to some, this slave included, just the mere fact that you identify as slave states you have "no-limits" and for the sake of the arguement, and hopefully to lessen the thought that we are talking about allowing the cannabalism and aputation thing, let's agree we're talking about limits that are personal preference related, like you said--"desires", like how edgey the play will be(from scat to mummification), or what the slave's body will be adorned with(clothes--or not, collars, piercings, tattoos,etc.) or used for, either physically or financially(by whom, with whom and what will be done) at any given time. For this slave, to have "no limits" is one of the things that attracted her to a Master/slave relationship as opposed to having a Top/bottom or Dom/sub dynamic complete with safewords, limit lists and a certain amount or retention of authority, either financially, physically or sexually.

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By the way, it is NOT phsycially healthy to consume feces.


perhaps not, but it is not necessarily guaranteed to be lethal or coma-inducing if a small amount is consumed, either inadvertanatly or on purpose--(there is RISK), or recommended as a daily diet, either, hmmmm, this slave's idea of human toilet has always been that the toilet is pissed IN and/or shit ON, but it is not something that this slave has researched, either. however.....if Master ever desires it, this slave will let you know how it turns out

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RE: no limits rant - 9/14/2005 1:50:33 PM   
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I fully agree that the slave vs sub debate is really not ever going to get somewhere. Like everything else, each has their own opinion as to what constitutes each.

I think what amazes me most is the concept of posting a profile that you are seeking a "no limits" relationship. Of the profiles like that I have read, it always appears that there will be little discussion as to what common values, morals, etc. exist between the two people. As though making the statement that you are seeking such indicates that the first person to come along and express interest is the "right" match. In any relationship, at any level of commitment or submission or slavery, common sense says that we want someone who shares our "core" values. A christian slave would certainly not seek out a die hard atheist (sp?) for a master because at the core they are too different. But those types of profiles seem to indicate that the christian slave should abandon those core beliefs for the master. That is the part of it that has and always will bother me. The concept that stating "slave" in your profile indicates that you have no core values of your own to begin with.

I know that this was not the case for you, and likely not the case for any of the successful relationships. Perhaps those profiles are just worded in a way that gives that implication.

As for the human toilet, my understanding was that the excrement was consumed, not in small amounts, but in its entirety. Anyone with some real experience or information on this, I would certainly appreciate hearing from. Perhaps, Beth, it is as most things in the lifestyle and we are BOTH correct in our assumption and it is merely a matter of levels for the individuals. Either way, I still say "EEEWWWW".

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RE: no limits rant - 9/15/2005 12:25:47 PM   
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quote:

Most of what I learned about how "no limits" is more than just a concept or a theory, I learned from reading posts by you and Merc. An essential part of your relationship of course revolves around trust, and the two of you often seem, to me at least, as the "poster children" for successful, loving bdsm relationship. I also know that the two of you talked extensively about everything before entering into that relationship.


FBS,
Just wanted to add a couple more things to what beth said.

Most important, beth is MY "no limits" slave, not "A" no limits slave. That distinction not only defines us, but contains how we distinguish between a slave/sub. Any single unattached individual can not define themselves as being a slave and can not proclaim themselves "no limits". Maybe they have the potential for both, but until there is someone else involved, all they represent is masturbatory "no-limit" fantasy. When they meet someone and interact with that person, then then can define them-self. I've observed both sides of this issue. I've seen Masters having many more "limits" then the slave brought into the relationship. I've also seen some previously defined "limits" become passionate desires. Sometimes for self pleasure, and sometime for the pleasure of the Master/Mistress.

beth has limits - MY limits. she surrendered her limits when she agreed to be my slave. I have the responsibility for her. I chuckled a bit when reading your challenge because I knew beth's answer would be - "If Master requested it, it would be done". beth is a strong woman. she was a strong, self sufficient, and intelligent woman when we met. she hasn't changed. In fact, one of the reciprocal commitments we made, and I expect from her is that she DOES NOT change. I guess that would address the issue of me all of a sudden being "born again" vanilla. her choice to live as a lifestyle slave by rules and ritual, was not an immediate or overnight decision making process. It takes unqualified TRUST. The only way to develop that is observation of behavior over time, and communication. It's that process which is difficult to document in this forum, but needs to be considered to understand beth's comfort in representing herself as a "no limit" slave.

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RE: no limits rant - 9/15/2005 3:27:51 PM   
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Everyone has limits ... just like everyone has a price.

It's easy to say you don't have limits, when you get to decide what the limits being suggested, are ... just like it's easy to say that you don't have a price, when you get to decide what price is being offered.

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RE: no limits rant - 9/15/2005 4:01:56 PM   
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i have plenty of limits, but then i am not a slave, i am a submissive.

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RE: no limits rant - 9/20/2005 10:15:58 AM   
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Merc,

That is my whole point, that you and Beth entered into your relationship intelligently rather than blindly. Taking the time to build that trust is what makes a relationship work. When I see those that seem to plunge blindly forward, I wonder where their common sense is.

As for limits changing, I totally agree. I know that when I initially became involved in this lifestyle, my limits were much different than they are now. Most people change and grow with time, it is part of life.

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RE: no limits rant - 9/20/2005 10:37:18 AM   
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The one problem about "giving" someone my list of limits is that often the "dom" turns on me and explaimes in a completely 'DOMLY' voice...you, my dear, are no slave..

Of course, he's right..i'm just a sub..but that's neither here nor there. There are an amazing number of people who are complain, somewhat endlessly, about how the "subs on CM can't possibly be 'real' when they go around telling the dominant what they will or won't do." It also amazes me the number of dominants who get down right insulted if a sub (like me) asks them what their limits are. i'd say i was only doing that for "sport" but it's my way of looking for common, or uncommon, ground. i believe we all have limits of some kind -- and if there are things that are limits to him, but that i love doing, it's then decision time -- for both of us.

This subject is often a case of "damned if ya do, and damned if ya don't"..so all we can really do is what feels right to each of us.. i hope..lol

cheers
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RE: no limits rant - 9/20/2005 10:39:44 AM   
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The problem with "common sense" is that it's often difficult to find among others..and even ourselves at times..lol

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut

Merc,

That is my whole point, that you and Beth entered into your relationship intelligently rather than blindly. Taking the time to build that trust is what makes a relationship work. When I see those that seem to plunge blindly forward, I wonder where their common sense is.

As for limits changing, I totally agree. I know that when I initially became involved in this lifestyle, my limits were much different than they are now. Most people change and grow with time, it is part of life.



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RE: no limits rant - 9/20/2005 11:01:23 AM   
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My personal thought is/was who would participate or want to participate in things like burning, cutting, or other "edge" games? I didn't think of these things being a limit because (in my opinion only) they are inane; no sane human would participate or want to! And I think that is sometimes the opinion new subs (or even experienced ones) might think.

Hello There,
I am a relatively new sub. I'd said in this forum I'm a no limit slave of my Master. This does not mean I'm ready for amputation, just that I trust my Master not to do anything to me I wouldn't trust he thought was a lesson I should learn. I do intend on letting Him burn me. We are planning on branding me with a quarter sized BDSM symbol on my butt on my one-year anniversary of being in the lifestyle. This is when I switch my training un-locking collar for a gold locking one and become a fully collared slave to him.
I don't think I'm insane for allowing my Master to burn me. I think before you say people are not sane you should consider we all have our own path and yours is not the only one that's correct and sane.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: no limits rant - 9/20/2005 1:05:21 PM   
carefulsub


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I personally have taken months at times to getto know the Dom and actually play with him. I need him to know my physical setbacks and my personality. Once he knows that I have a teasing personality and I love to laugh he will understand a part of me he needs to know. Thre are too many things for a Dom and a sub to need to know about each other for them to just say I have no limits let's go!....

I agree with you, you need to have a conversation and use your words to tell each other what you like and what you want. Then you can have a mind altering time later.

careful

(in reply to firefey)
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