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Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Works at It - 2/7/2008 2:32:31 PM   
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A couple/few thread this week made me feel like an alien ... or like other people were lying, and since I'm paranoid, I went with the latter.  I don't base it all on sexual stuff (and - come on - one sexual act does not usually affect your entire life ... unless someone get's pregnant, but that's another thread [one that refuses to die] and not what I'm talking about.  I'm not talking specifically about refusal, but I'm not not talking about that either.  I'm talking about struggling with it.  See, I don't even know what language to use.  Am I talking about TPE?  Am I talking about 24/7?  Am I talking about 50's-style (if so, is that neither TPE nor 24/7)?

My question is (open to Doms/Masters/submissives/slaves):

Are there any circumstances under which you would lie to your beloved (or even hired) slave/sub/master/dom/switch, that had nothing to do with creating an ambiance for a scene but everything to do with maintaining the relationship?

To get things rolling, these are the things (just this week) I either lied about or commited a lie by omission.  Obviously, I'm not ashamed of them enough not to post them here, so ...:

"That’s a great idea!  A casement window in the bathroom.  Yes, it maximizes airflow" (and what I didn’t say “it minimizes privacy”.  Why didn't I say that, because he loved the idea, he had decided for himself, so he decided for me too). 

"Yes the pup is doing great."  (I didn’t say that the little fluffy alpha still marked if I wasn’t very careful about letting him out all the time.  Why?  Because I have faith that Master Max will get there (housetrained), and in the mean time, Hubby stays happy with pooch, pooch stays happy with hubby, and I am doorman for a dog (which is surely every  service submissive’s dream-come-true ).  

"Oh, this trip we’ve planning to Crater Lake, OR is cancelled in favor of a trip to Osh Kosh – where we get to camp beside noisy airplanes instead of in the peace and beauty of nature, and we get to visit with airplane nuts who will be talking about technical crap that I don’t understand and couldn’t care less about?  Heck yeah!  Let’s go to Osh Kosh!"

"You want to go on a low-carb diet, and I need to research what that entails, cook accordingly and get all prohibited foods out of the house.  So I’ll be on this diet too.  Sure, I’ll get right on that."  

"You want me to track the changes in interest rates and get a refinance in motion when I think they’ve gone as low as they are going to go.  I appreciate your faith in me, so I’ll learn as much as I can figure out about this whole economy thing, make my best guess and get the paper in motion when the time seems right."  (What I didn’t say:  Since when am I some financial wizard?  I do have classes to study for and stuff, and this sounds VERY time-consuming, and I think you should get someone who knows something about this stuff, because I’d be starting from scratch, and I’m likely to screw it up.  - I didn't say that because he already said what he wanted AND he already has an accountant.).

I know that I'm ever naive and tend to believe offhand that other people's outsides equate with my insides.  Still, I think some people must feel some relief (to say nothing of connection with the real world), when they hear that other people who do WIIWD (whatever the fuck that means [I know what it stands for]) find it difficult and uncomfortable and not something they could EVER successsfully pull off at 100% - FOR REAL every day.

I  hope that makes a bit of sense, and probably anyone who has read this far doesn't even remember the question:

Are there any circumstances under which you would lie to your beloved (or even hired) slave/sub/master/dom/switch, that had nothing to do with creating an ambiance for a scene but everything to do with maintaining the relationship?

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 2:39:34 PM   
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I thik the sorts of small lies you are talking about come naturally. I have indulged in them on many occasions. i think they may make things easier, but they should be avoided.  Doesn't mean i always live by that, but I do think it is better to be honest, even though it is often harder.

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 2:40:51 PM   
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Yes. I lie about my physical health.. alot. So much of the time it feels like I'm whining if I tell him how I'm really doing so I minimize problems.He can't fix me and I don't want him feeling bad or feeling sorry for me. That is a big part of why I talk about it here, this is often my outlet.

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 2:42:24 PM   
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Camille, my heart goes out to you.

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 2:42:45 PM   
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Nope. I'm often too blunt, but have been learning to curb that. My response to say, the window in the bathroom would be. "It looks marvelous, I'm a bit uneasy about the fact it would ruin the privacy of the bathroom, but if it's what you want, I'll just have to adjust to curtains/flashing the neighbors."
Camping trip: "I think I would enjoy crater lake more, but if you want Osh Kosh, then Osh Kosh it is."

I have no problem with being honest, and my partners should expect me to voice my opinions and feelings if the topic is open on the table for discussion. I won't insist plans change, I won't ask for what I would rather do, but I'll let him know how I feel about the issue, and then put it from my mind. It's his choice, we both know that, I don't need to be part of the decision making, but I do want him to always know how I feel about things so it does not lead to misunderstanding later.

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 2:43:06 PM   
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For surprise presents, absolutely.

Otherwise, no.  I just don't get it.  However, I freaked my sister out when she said I was being stalkerish about asking my partner about things and said "Why don't you ask about his bathroom routine?" and I said "Oh I already know that."

Apparently a lot of couples aren't as open as we are and like it that way.  I don't get it.  Too much work to have to SHAPE and remember all that shaping.  I'm not a rude person in general, specially to my partner and I've got kick ass communication skills in general so that's it.   

A typical communication between us was on Tuesday.  He said "You're really being productive and happy and helpful tonight."  I said "So I'm usually a selfish cranky bitch?"  We both laughed and moved on- I knew what he meant, he knew what I meant and we enjoyed the moment.

If you can't just relax and stop screening with the person you choose to live with, when can you?

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 2:53:30 PM   
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Certain insignificant lies sure as I might lie about how I am feeling if I do not think it is a difference maker like if I am tired. There is tired I need to take it easy so I better communicate it and tired just a minor feeling off the top of my head. Or for example if he asks if something is going to be a problem I not going to tell him it is a little if it is not a big thing. I am sorry but these little types of white lies I just believe everyone does them otherwise we might not get anything done. I mean when co-workers or strangers as you how are you when do we ever come out with anything but fine or better for the answer.

But I really do try not to lie even if going overboard in terms of relevant opinions and information. That is why I am in a severe power exchange relationship. I love the freedom of not having to worry about what comes out of my mouth or his that living this way provides for me personally by living in this type of dynamic.



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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 2:57:45 PM   
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ProlificNeeds expressed how I try to be though I don't always succeed.  I grew up in a situation where small distortions of the truth became self-preservation and so I have been noticing how quickly I will tell a small lie without even thinking about it.  I'm trying to change that and do my best to always express how I'm feeling about something so he knows.  I too agree that it helps prevent future miscommunication.

I do tell him I'm ok when I'm not sometimes but that generally causes nothing but stress for both of us so I'm getting better at that too.  Ultimatly I begged a relationship in which it is not my right to lie to him.

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 2:58:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

If you can't just relax and stop screening with the person you choose to live with, when can you?


It's not a matter of sceening the person.  It's a matter of already knowing.

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 2:59:47 PM   
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It's not a matter of sceening the person.  It's a matter of already knowing.

Already knowing what? 

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 3:10:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

If you can't just relax and stop screening with the person you choose to live with, when can you?


It's not a matter of sceening the person.  It's a matter of already knowing.



Oh I think she meant screening yourself with your partner.  Not screening your partner.

*edited to add ... Your puppy pic is adorable!


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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 3:13:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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It's not a matter of sceening the person.  It's a matter of already knowing.

Already knowing what? 


Aready knowing when he *really* wants something.  Based on 30 experience.

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 3:15:48 PM   
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quote:

*edited to add ... Your puppy pic is adorable!


Thanks!  But it's not my pooch.  Mine is even cuter (in my eyes).  I've never had a male dog before, so he's an experience.

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 3:16:31 PM   
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Aready knowing when he *really* wants something.  Based on 30 experience.

This is very confusing.  Can you try to elaborate?

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 3:28:32 PM   
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i don't consider those bad lies..... little white ones because you do not want to hurt him and want to PLEASE

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 3:28:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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Aready knowing when he *really* wants something.  Based on 30 experience.

This is very confusing.  Can you try to elaborate?


It might not have been if I hadn't left out one word:  years.  30 years.  So, I could misgauge him, but that wasn't the point of my post.

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 3:35:50 PM   
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i don't consider those bad lies..... little white ones because you do not want to hurt him and want to PLEASE


Thanks.  A recent thread on whether women would lie about orgasm might lead to one to believe that the majority of submissives could be saints (literally).  I hoped for responses from submissves who were not totally convinced of their own perfection ... which  is the polar opposite of humility.  What a strange place CM is.  LOL. 

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 4:21:59 PM   
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So you've been together 30 years and still have to screen what you say?

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 4:23:43 PM   
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So you've been together 30 years and still have to screen what you say?


I don't "have" to do anything. 

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RE: Non Sexual D/s: For the Slaves/Submissive Who Work... - 2/7/2008 4:26:57 PM   
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So you choose to screen and pick and wind your words with the person you've been with for 30 years, then you come online to try and find other people who do the same and support you in it so you'll feel relieved and not so all alone?

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