Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

Play Rape


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Submissive >> Play Rape Page: [1] 2   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Play Rape - 9/8/2005 7:40:34 PM   
BigEyes


Posts: 155
Joined: 6/13/2005
Status: offline
Is it me, or is this a contradiction in terms? Bdsm play is all about consensual sex, whereas rape is the opposite. I can understand that forced sex within a safe environment is exciting, but that is not rape. I am not talking from ignorance. Am I being stupid or is there actually no such thing as play rape?

Big Eyes
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: Play Rape - 9/8/2005 7:51:26 PM   
JohnWarren


Posts: 3807
Joined: 3/18/2005
From: Delray Beach, FL
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: BigEyes

Is it me, or is this a contradiction in terms? Bdsm play is all about consensual sex, whereas rape is the opposite. I can understand that forced sex within a safe environment is exciting, but that is not rape. I am not talking from ignorance. Am I being stupid or is there actually no such thing as play rape?

Big Eyes


The "play" part means that it is part of a role play. In fact, the most requested scene that Libby and I get usually has play rape components. I hear it's often done online, but since we only play in a face to face environment, I can only comment on that.

Sometimes, the "rapee' can even give directions by begging (by prearrangement [this sort of scene takes a LOT of negotiation}) for the "raper" to do things by begging "not" to be made to do something. I recall that, during one "gang rape" roleplay that had another woman observing, the "rapee" almost screamed "Please don't make me eat her pussy." This led to a short negotiation with the observer and a most unexpected but pleasant addition to the event.

If it makes you feel better, think of it as "the paintball of sex." Almost none of us who have really been shot at look forward to having it happen again, but a lot of us enjoy a nice round of paintball... all the fun, none of the blood, and the "dead" walk again.


_____________________________

www.lovingdominant.org

(in reply to BigEyes)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: Play Rape - 9/8/2005 8:05:09 PM   
perfection20005


Posts: 419
Joined: 4/20/2005
Status: offline
Yes, there is "play rape". Since it is "play", both parties have agreed to do certain things during the scene. I think it is an exciting way to play.

_____________________________

perfection

"I took one look at Him, and I knew He was my Master."

(in reply to BigEyes)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: Play Rape - 9/8/2005 8:10:31 PM   
EmeraldSlave2


Posts: 3645
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline
There's also "non consensual consent" in which the person has no idea when/who will be doing it. Kidnapping/rape fantasies are huge, specially at outdoor long events.

But you're right, rape play is not rape at all.

(in reply to BigEyes)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: Play Rape - 9/8/2005 8:24:06 PM   
fastlane


Posts: 2159
Joined: 5/26/2005
Status: offline
Will somebody please come rape me!....ummm, females only!

_____________________________

Just because it hurts, doesn't necessarily make it a bad thing.

(in reply to EmeraldSlave2)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: Play Rape - 9/8/2005 8:29:15 PM   
Aileen68


Posts: 6091
Joined: 8/2/2005
Status: offline
You would make me laugh too much and then you would think that I was laughing at the size of your Manhood at that might give you a complex. I just couldn't do that to you. The shrink bills...oh my!

(in reply to fastlane)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: Play Rape - 9/8/2005 10:04:23 PM   
itzelwing


Posts: 37
Joined: 7/14/2005
Status: offline
Well, BigEyes...

It is definitely NOT rape, since it is consensual. But again, remember that a BIG part of BDSM is fantasy.

For my Kat, rape and kidnap fantasies are a huge thing for her. I can go there, and enjoy the role play... but that's what it is to me... role play. I can't even imagine truly raping a woman (or a man), but because I know it gets her off, her struggles and protestations are actually quite a turn-on for me.

Like so many other aspects of BDSM, it's the consensual nature of the acts that make them "OK". Few of us actually harbor the desire to torture, humiliate, and maim those who choose to serve us. It's all about fantasy, and unleashing those secret things in a safe environment... and the trust implicit in allowing a partner to share those fantasies with us.

"Play rape"? Yes, Virginia, there is such a thing.

_____________________________

Master, Friend, and Lover of ItzKat

(in reply to Aileen68)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: Play Rape - 9/9/2005 1:53:27 AM   
WickedKev


Posts: 305
Joined: 11/26/2004
Status: offline
A slave of mine had a rape fantasy and we had often talked about it on numerous occasions. My problem how was I going to get her into the proper mind frame. Now before people start slamming me saying it is play rape, a term I hate, I prefer Consenual Rape, which is an oxymoron but more accurate. If her frame of mind was such that she knew it was just play I don't think it would have worked she would have ended up laughing. So the plan I came up with was that I took her to a club, an event she was looking forward too. It was a pervy weekend thing, club, party munch and fetish fair all overthe weekend. At the club I completely ignored her, I didn't play with her, and I wouldn't let her play with anyone else. She may have been a slave but she was pissed, and when we were alone on the drive back to the hotel room she let me know it until I had to tell her to "Shut the f**k up." Then back in th hotel room she slammed into the bathroom then into bed. It started with "Who told you you could get into bed?" And her telling me to leave her alone she wasn't in the mood, then me dragging her out of bed with her fighting all the way, and well I'll leave the rest to your imagination Alll I will say it was one of the most intense sessions we had with lots of tears abuse etc. Even I had some bruises. Afterwards as I held her and we talked about it, I had got her mind frame just where I wanted it, and yes I know it was dangerous but I like edge play and I had to count very heavily on her love and trust of me. For weeks she was thanking me for making one of her biggest fantasies come true.

(in reply to itzelwing)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: Play Rape - 9/9/2005 5:36:43 AM   
flaire


Posts: 60
Joined: 9/6/2005
Status: offline
Dear BigEyes

My partner and I play at 'play rape'. I have a safe word that I can use at any time during play if I start to become ill or unintentionally uncomfortable (if you understand!).

Rape is a foul and disgusting act. 'Play rape' is more ravishment, in my eyes. There's a wonderful line in the Terry Pratchett novel 'The Last Hero'. When discussing the central character, another says (and I'm paraphrasing here)...

- You mean he's raped and pillaged his way across the continent?
- Well, not rape exactly. I'm mean no one actually complained. I think it's more in the approach.

My partner loves me and the idea of forcing himself on me (when I don't consent) is repugnant to him.

I hope that helps. But you're right, 'play rape', isn't rape at all.

f x

_____________________________

Stand before your god, bow before your king and kneel before your man - Nanny Ogg, Lords and Ladies

(in reply to BigEyes)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: Play Rape - 9/9/2005 7:04:36 AM   
chellekitty


Posts: 3923
Joined: 3/27/2005
Status: offline
can't believe no one has said "you can't rape the willing" yet...
there are a lot of bdsm terms that don't make sense in the way we were brought up to understand them....like pain for instance...

(in reply to BigEyes)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: Play Rape - 9/9/2005 7:08:30 AM   
flaire


Posts: 60
Joined: 9/6/2005
Status: offline
Dear chelle


quote:

ORIGINAL: chellekitty

can't believe no one has said "you can't rape the willing" yet...



I think someone just did ! Nicely phrased.

f x


_____________________________

Stand before your god, bow before your king and kneel before your man - Nanny Ogg, Lords and Ladies

(in reply to chellekitty)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: Play Rape - 9/9/2005 7:50:15 AM   
plantlady64


Posts: 755
Joined: 5/19/2005
Status: offline
Hello There,
Play rape in my mindis consensual, but struggeling against the mans advances like it's not.
Some of the retreats even offer abduction and rape scenes in their agenda packages.
I think to be taken forcefully while I try and fend my lover off is very hot. It has the ability to prove to me he can take me any time he wants and I can do nothing to stop him.
While the non-consensual rape is a fantasy, the struggle is very real and very sexy.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

(in reply to BigEyes)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: Play Rape - 9/9/2005 8:32:34 AM   
JohnWarren


Posts: 3807
Joined: 3/18/2005
From: Delray Beach, FL
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: chellekitty
there are a lot of bdsm terms that don't make sense in the way we were brought up to understand them....like pain for instance...


The following is a bit of the text from my book, The Loving Dominant. It is being posted here by the copyright holder. Others are asked please not to republish it.

One of the things that makes discussing BDSM so difficult is the word 'Pain." Submissives don't necessarily seek "pain" -- even though many enjoy many forms of "pain" as part of the play. What many of us do would seem to be painful, but most dictionary definitions of pain include phrase like "leading to evasive actions" or "which are avoided." Yet, these stimuli, far from being avoided, are sought. Therefore, they cannot be pain. Or, can they?
This conundrum reminds me of a story about a politician, who being asked if he opposed liquor, said, "Are you referring to the Demon Rum that destroys lives, reduces families to ruin and is the shame of our cities, or are you referring to the delicious elixir that rejuvenates the tired, gives peace to the troubled and contributes so much in taxes to our national treasury?"
The problem seems to lie in a failure of the English language; obviously there seems to be at least two, and perhaps more, kinds of pain. I've never known a submissive who got off on a stomach ache from a bad hotdog. However, many greatly enjoy the very similar pain resulting from an enema. A swat from a closing spring?loaded door is annoying; one from a leather?clad lover is exciting.
Nor is it simply situational, more than once I have had to pause during a session to untangle a strap which was pinching my submissive or to ease her leg cramps. Why did these pains "bring her down" when she was receiving a substantially greater pain from the whipping, strapping or waxing?
The answer could be that the pains are different. Popular myth has it that Eskimos have dozens of different words for snow. We have only one word for pain (and only one for love, which is another interesting shortcoming for English. But not one I want to address -- Not here, at least.)
As far as I know, psychologists have not examined this terminology shortfall (perhaps, scientists involved in BDSM prefer to remain in the closet); however, there has been considerable research into stress, which affects the body much like pain. The stress researchers found that there are two kinds of stress: eustress (good stress) and distress (bad stress). Interestingly, the distinction between these two stresses is completely within the soul of the individual. Where one person might see a rollercoaster ride as the high point of her day; to another, it might be a glimpse into hell.
Even the same stress can be distress (let me out of here) for an individual at one time and eustress (having a ball) at another. We all know individuals who glory in the push and tug of office politics; however, occasionally, even these "political animals" get fed up and need to get away when the eustress of political infighting becomes distress.
People in BDSM instinctually recognize that there are positive pains and negative pains. Our discussions are laden with indirect references to them. We may talk about something with "gets me off" or "sends me 'somewhere else'" while another activity/toy/person "turns me off" or "brings me down."


_____________________________

www.lovingdominant.org

(in reply to chellekitty)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: Play Rape - 9/9/2005 9:00:43 AM   
littleone35


Posts: 2828
Joined: 2/17/2005
Status: offline
I also thing it would be very hot but i am kinda scared to try it. It takes a high level of trust thatrthe man/Dom is not gonna get too excited an lose control and hurt you. Under the right circustimansated(sp) i think it would be highly erotic.

littleone

(in reply to plantlady64)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: Play Rape - 9/11/2005 8:16:58 AM   
sabis


Posts: 136
Joined: 6/29/2005
From: Midwest, USA
Status: offline
quote:

Am I being stupid or is there actually no such thing as play rape?


Before my Owner found me, I oftentimes tried to create situations in which my partners would become more dominant in the bedroom, to fulfill my very strong need to be sexually dominated. One of the mechanisms I attempted was the "Make me!" scenario. I would make it very clear that I wanted sex, but they had to 'make me' do it. It generally involved wrestling / pinning down / hair grabbing / etc... and yes, I struggled to the best of my ability. Inevitably, this was some of the best sex I had, because it contained some of the emotional content of Dominance and submission that I needed desperately.

Now that I have D/s exchange in my life on a regular basis, I don't have to 'manufacture' it any more.

~ sabis

(in reply to BigEyes)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: Play Rape - 9/11/2005 1:21:20 PM   
Wolfspet


Posts: 143
Joined: 1/11/2004
Status: offline
We have done a few "rape scenes" The paramaters were discussed LONG before hand.

Example:

One day I got a call from my brother, he was in Atlantic City and locked his keys in the car. If I could PLEASE bring his spares from home, he would be in a confrence, and told me he would leave a room key at the desk for me to just go on up & drop the stuff off.

Imagine my surprise/shock/horror/lust/panic when a pillowcase was thrown over my head as I walked past the bathroom door. I was blindfolded, earplugged & gagged for a day & a half. I *knew* it was Wolf by the most primal of instincts, but in the back of my mind, was the "what if". No words were spoken, just sensation.

When would it have stopped being play and turned into rape? Maybe it was rape all along, but one I fantasized about & was allowed to experience.

It felt NOTHING like the actual rape I endured a early age. And that is where the difference is, in the participants mind. Safewords are a mental coping mechanism for those afraid to see the edge. Having one does not mean it will be honored. These are dangerous games we sometimes play. They are by no means SAFE

(in reply to sabis)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: Play Rape - 9/11/2005 11:20:39 PM   
educatesubbies


Posts: 2
Joined: 9/9/2005
Status: offline
There is a play rape of course and it is actually what you call forced sex. It is nothing else than that. The wording is Play rape and not rape. That is what makes the difference.
I think if someone like to be tied up, it doesn't mean the same person would enjoy to be arested by the police and put in handcuffs.
Same applies with the played rape, I think.


(in reply to BigEyes)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: Play Rape - 9/13/2005 6:23:15 AM   
Dr24


Posts: 25
Joined: 9/5/2005
Status: offline
I dunno I think its a phucking hot fantasy but you would have to become as a rapist you would have to plan carefully .. study your 'victims' patterns, where they are, who they hang with, follow them around and the whole bit to catch them off gaurd and completely unaware of what is to follow and this way they will probably also not know its you that did it til the end .. then the fear could be real??!! Of course it would have to have been pre discussed a long time before as to what would and wouldnt be acceptable and all that but basically I think it would be like creating a master piece, the ultimate sexual art .. it would take time, patience and lotsa trust ... dont think this would be for any old "come here I wanna bitch slap you dom" ...

< Message edited by Dr24 -- 9/13/2005 6:26:30 AM >

(in reply to educatesubbies)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: Play Rape - 9/13/2005 9:20:51 AM   
carefulsub


Posts: 32
Joined: 3/7/2005
Status: offline
I have read the book The Loving Dominant, My Doms read it and felt it was good for me to read, I would recommend it to anyone in the lifestyle. Especially a novice submissive.

We had many great conversations about the different parts of the book and it made me think of what I really wanted as a submissive.

careful

(in reply to JohnWarren)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: Play Rape - 9/13/2005 10:20:14 AM   
JohnWarren


Posts: 3807
Joined: 3/18/2005
From: Delray Beach, FL
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: carefulsub

I have read the book The Loving Dominant, My Doms read it and felt it was good for me to read, I would recommend it to anyone in the lifestyle. Especially a novice submissive.

We had many great conversations about the different parts of the book and it made me think of what I really wanted as a submissive.

careful[/font][/size][/color]


Thank you. I'm glad it helped


_____________________________

www.lovingdominant.org

(in reply to carefulsub)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Submissive >> Play Rape Page: [1] 2   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094