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charlotte12 -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 10:56:57 AM)
I also was glad to see your qualification. I figured that was what you meant from the first post but always nice to know for sure. I love when Master makes me do something and then slaps me for it. We've talked about him making me fuck other men and then punish me for being such a slut. It sounds really hot though I know he plans to take this idea a little slow. I don't like feeling like I was set up to fail and then he is genuinely dissapointed in me. That would mess with my head. What I like about situations where he is obviously setting me up to fail is the sense of helplessness. I am his to punish if he wants to, with or without a reason, his to mess with like a toy. It's when I don't understand what's going on that I get anxious. charlotte

lockmeupplease -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 11:06:35 AM)
I think the key words here are "games" and "play". Example---I had a Mistress who would tickle me and then punish me if I made noise. We both knew the noise was inevitable and that the "punishment" was not severe or truly related to my "failing". It sounds like ItalianMistress's scenarios keep this in mind. (and they sound like fun!!!!)

DesFIP -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 11:31:10 AM)
It wouldn't matter if he told me afterwards that he wasn't serious, I would still feel like a failure. So this wouldn't work for me. However, if he told me to do something impossible, and then gave me a play punishment that might work. Something obviously impossible like pick the winning lottery numbers.

Prinsexx -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 12:21:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone quote: ORIGINAL: ItalianSMistress I was wondering how many Dom/mes set their slaves up to fail games. Now, I DON’T mean fail in a general sense, as that would be counter productive to any kind of training. I mean during session or just messing around and setting them up to fail a particular game or task. I have always found this rather interesting and amusing esp when the slave knows they are being set up to fail, but still try to succeed anyway. The goal of this, how I see it, is either to be amused by their efforts and get a great laugh out of their attempts to succeed in vain, and sometimes it sets them up for “punishment”. Of course, not the serious kind ;) For example, I sometimes like to have My boys stroking themselves while I am doing something rather uninterested, and wont let them stop, but still instruct them not to cum. Despite their efforts, sooner or later, they are going to cum if they can not stop stroking. You can usually see it coming, as they tend to “buck up” quite a bit before it happens. Or I have been known to tell My slaves to keep quiet while I know that My main goal is to make them say something, from what I am doing to them, and I wont stop until they fail. I do lots of this type of thing, but those are the first two examples that came to My head. So, how many others do things like this? This wouldn't appeal to me AT ALL....I'm not a big fan of being made a fool of. i agree......a good smack around the face isn't funny really is it?

laurell3 -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 12:29:10 PM)
There have actually been rather lenghty threads on this before, so I will not attempt to go into that much depth. However, if one is truly setting another up for failure I don't see that as something I would enjoy. If one is creating an impossible situation and then responding to it with action and both parties know that true success isn't really expected in the situation, that I have done and enjoyed and find very thought provoking. Believe me, I will continue to attempt to achieve the impossible, it's how I'm wired. We both will laugh at me and from it I eventually gain insight and it's also quite hot [;)].

trappedinamuseum -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 12:31:00 PM)
This is just a FR - I can't switch mindsets like that. Failure is failure to me, whether he was "just kidding" or "doing it on purpose" or not. It stills puts me in a place I am miserable in. My personality is such that if I knew someone was setting me up to fail, I either wouldn't do it (as it is not worth the effort), or I would be very disappointed and angry with him for wasting both of our times. There are better ways we could occupy that time. I don't find failure amusing in the least, and would not be amused to know he set me up just so he could punish me. I would rather he just do it, because he "felt like it", not because I failed. But, that's just my .02.

servantheart -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 4:15:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Failure is not interesting. Not in training nor in play. I prefer success in both. Oh damn it, my imagine of you being a hardcore Sadist is completely distroyed now... ;^) Not to worry, Sir has His moments [&:]

MichiganHeadmast -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 4:58:59 PM)
Isn't "predicament play" a form of setting one up to "fail," but in a fun way? You know, "Keep your legs up in the air," and when you lower them, the rope and pulley rips the clothespins off your nipples. And then there is constructive setting up to fail, like boot camp. "Nice spit shine, soldier, but you have a scuff on your heel. Give me 20! Now your toes are scuffed. Give me 20 more!" And like anything else, at the extreme it can be abusive.

Nineveh -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 5:06:37 PM)
I can see how this could damage a delicate sub. ON the other hand, one who had become to full of herself could be brought down and humbled by an impossible task. I have done things like this, more as an exercise in humbling than as an excuse to punish, althoguh i have found those on occasion as well for subs who needed punishment as part of their structure, they needed to fail sometimes or they would feel wrong about their submission.

AFlyInYourWeb -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 7:09:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ItalianSMistress One thing I want to point out after reading all this is that I ALWAYS make sure they know after wards that I set it up like that. I make sure of it, I dont want them thinking the acutally failed, making sure they know that I would not have stopped what I was doing UNTIL they failed. This sounds like a mind-fuck to me. They aren't for everyone, but with the right people on both sides, they can be exciting, and sometimes, very bonding.

breatheasone -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 7:10:04 PM)
quote: they needed to fail sometimes or they would feel wrong about their submission. WTF??

Nineveh -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 7:11:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone quote: they needed to fail sometimes or they would feel wrong about their submission. WTF?? I know, it was alien to me at first as well. But if she did not fail she would stop giving her all, and act more bratty, until she did fail and could be punished. She needed to be punished.

breatheasone -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 7:14:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nineveh quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone quote: they needed to fail sometimes or they would feel wrong about their submission. WTF?? I know, it was alien to me at first as well. But if she did not fail she would stop giving her all, and act more bratty, until she did fail and could be punished. She needed to be punished. Hmmm... is thinking how grateful I am for the Master I have

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 7:36:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nineveh I know, it was alien to me at first as well. But if she did not fail she would stop giving her all, and act more bratty, until she did fail and could be punished. She needed to be punished. That sounds akin to subs who like to "test" their doms? Is that it? I can understand occasionally wanting to fail in order to feel ensconced in the submission as a perfectionist because it can bring me back to earth and give me back some real world perspective without breaking down. But life brings about failure more than enough on its own for us to contrive it towards those goals so there's no problem :)

Nineveh -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 7:38:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross That sounds akin to subs who like to "test" their doms? Is that it? I can understand occasionally wanting to fail in order to feel ensconced in the submission as a perfectionist because it can bring me back to earth and give me back some real world perspective without breaking down. But life brings about failure more than enough on its own for us to contrive it towards those goals so there's no problem :) Yes, she was very into testing me. Seeing how far she could push, and i think she rather liked the feeling that came from being in trouble.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 7:41:50 PM)
Ah ok, I can't stand testing and cut that down real fast. A big signal of insecurity.

MistressOfGa -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 7:58:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist The enema in diapers thing is pretty much like that. [:D] Ouch! Now that is cruel and unusual punishment. Game or no game, when it messes with your kidney's it no longer is fun. MoGa who is much more serious than she need be tonight <s>

sodsta -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 8:18:09 PM)
I quite enjoy that. I had a Domme who once told me to stand on my tiptoes for as long as it took her to count to the number she was thinking of in her head. What she didn't tell me beforehand was that the number in her head was 2 million. I think I lasted all of 4 minutes before my calves couldn't take the strain anymore, and I was "punished". It was a lot of fun - I really like those sorts of games. :)

juliaoceania -> RE: Set up to fail (2/8/2008 10:12:20 PM)
He once tied me up in a position and then demanded that I do a certain task I was incapable of doing just to see how hard I would try. I kept trying until he stopped me, kissed me, and told me how wonderful I was for not giving up.

ProlificNeeds -> RE: Set up to fail (2/9/2008 2:40:20 AM)
In the right context it could be fun play, but for myself I know it could be counter productive if not handled properly. I'm hard enough on myself as it is, if I were made to suffer a sense of failure frequently by someone I cared for it would be pretty rough on my confidence. I don't like feeling as if I am disappointing. If I know it is making my Dominant happy, then I feel successful even if I fail in the specific task.

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