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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 2:44:56 AM

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The question i have with this is...if you tell the sub aftherwards...that is is a game....and she tried real hard to succeed ..will she believe it?
And how often can you do it...so that she still trust you. Failure..no matter in what setting..can be for some people..very hard.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 5:16:31 AM

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If they dont see it already, how impossible it was, personally, My slaves that I would do this to, have known Me well enough to know not only would I never lie to them (I have a reputation for being "brutally honest" with My slaves. But they also know how sadistic I am. The slaves that can handle the type of sadist I am, are well able to handle much much worse from Me, not just on a physically level.

I def agree that this type of play is not for everyone. But I personally love it and I have known a few slaves that really like it too.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 5:39:46 AM

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If they dont see it already, how impossible it was, personally, My slaves that I would do this to, have known Me well enough to know not only would I never lie to them (I have a reputation for being "brutally honest" with My slaves. But they also know how sadistic I am. The slaves that can handle the type of sadist I am, are well able to handle much much worse from Me, not just on a physically level.

I def agree that this type of play is not for everyone. But I personally love it and I have known a few slaves that really like it too.

agree fully..it depend son the situation and what type people are. With a sadistic Dom(me) one can expect this.....they chose that chance themselfs

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 6:01:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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ORIGINAL: ItalianSMistress

If they dont see it already, how impossible it was, personally, My slaves that I would do this to, have known Me well enough to know not only would I never lie to them (I have a reputation for being "brutally honest" with My slaves. But they also know how sadistic I am. The slaves that can handle the type of sadist I am, are well able to handle much much worse from Me, not just on a physically level.

I def agree that this type of play is not for everyone. But I personally love it and I have known a few slaves that really like it too.

agree fully..it depend son the situation and what type people are. With a sadistic Dom(me) one can expect this.....they chose that chance themselfs

Maybe I just have a twisted mind, but I know when I'm assinged a task that is impossible, he doesn't do the standing on one leg thing, but he will instruct me to clean a room top to bottom which he will inspect. As soon as he says he's inspecting it I know that he will look until he finds something wrong, and I know that I will work my ass of to make it difficult to find a mistake.

I like the game, I know he will find something, and I don't feel like I failed, in fact I enjoy watching him going over everything in minute detail to find something I missed.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 6:10:57 AM

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This is very common practice for Dom/mes in the life. I guess I am a different type of domme. I am a loving domme who tries to build up my slave and treat him as an equal. We have been together for three years now.
Things like that don't matter any more.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 7:39:48 AM

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My ex used to do this to me a lot. His game of fail was "dont move an inch while i hit you with this cane". Natural body responses are just difficult to get over. When your being hit with a cane hard nough to leave welts, its hard not to want to move.

I usually ended up just feeling really bad. Why couldn't I be like everyone else and not move? Everyone else can do it, I obviously was just really crappy at this. And of course there were consequences. 20 I wasnt supposed to move for, became 60.

IMO think it sucks to be expected to do something that is virtually impossible

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 7:45:19 AM

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My ex used to do this to me a lot. His game of fail was "dont move an inch while i hit you with this cane". Natural body responses are just difficult to get over. When your being hit with a cane hard nough to leave welts, its hard not to want to move.

I usually ended up just feeling really bad. Why couldn't I be like everyone else and not move? Everyone else can do it, I obviously was just really crappy at this. And of course there were consequences. 20 I wasnt supposed to move for, became 60.

IMO think it sucks to be expected to do something that is virtually impossible

no, you're not the only one that couldn't hold still for that, if i had that going on on my ass, i wouldnt' be able to hold still for even 1 let alone 20...

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 7:57:11 AM

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Master does not engage in games like this. He is differently sadistic. Since he can hurt me at his whim for his pleasure and my suffering or our mutual pleasure, he does not enjoy the idea of "punishment". If I am being punished, it is actual, for a true reason.

However, we have enjoyed situational bondage. I am never told that I must keep a certain position, but it becomes clear easily that when I move something becomes terribly uncomfortable. I think the most fun was when he had his wife and I attached to one another such that when one relieved the uncomfortable pressure for ourselves, it created discomfort for the other. It was fun to see how much more we wold take to try to not hurt our friend.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 10:53:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: MissSCD

This is very common practice for Dom/mes in the life. I guess I am a different type of domme. I am a loving domme who tries to build up my slave and treat him as an equal. We have been together for three years now.
Things like that don't matter any more.

Regards, MissSCD

This is how my Master is...He and I have talked about this subject before. He didn't see anything positive in it at all, and I agree with Him.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 5:41:45 PM

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This is very common practice for Dom/mes in the life. I guess I am a different type of domme. I am a loving domme who tries to build up my slave and treat him as an equal. We have been together for three years now.
Things like that don't matter any more.

Regards, MissSCD

This is how my Master is...He and I have talked about this subject before. He didn't see anything positive in it at all, and I agree with Him.

Just because you do not see how something can be positive doesn't mean it isn't. Hey, it doesn't turn you on, doesn't feel right to you... fine, but the tone of this post suggest a value judgment on what others experience as being somehow negative... If someone is set up to fail, got something positive out of it, who are you and your master to tell them that it wasn't a positive experience?

My Daddy loves me, what both posts insinuate is that because he played a game with me at an intimate moment to see how hard I would try to do that which I couldn't he somehow loves me less and I should somehow feel like a "failure". Not everyone feels the same way about things, and I certainly felt like I had triumphed for trying to do what I couldn't.. it pleased him deeply that I did.

Now let me reverse this to see how it sounds to you, lets say my Daddy and I talked about submissives that were never pushed into a situation which they were set up to fail, and anyone who didn't do that could not possibly be weal or twue... wouldn't that be utter bullshit?

I never have understood it when people projected their value system on to other people and felt that they should be the arbitors of what is good and right in a relationship. Perhaps for you it wouldn't work, but why the commentary on this practice and blanket statement of "nothing positive coming from it" is beyond me... perhaps it just shows a lack of imagination that people cannot imagine something being positive to others because it isn't perceived as positive to them.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 5:56:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSCD

This is very common practice for Dom/mes in the life. I guess I am a different type of domme. I am a loving domme who tries to build up my slave and treat him as an equal. We have been together for three years now.
Things like that don't matter any more.

Regards, MissSCD

This is how my Master is...He and I have talked about this subject before. He didn't see anything positive in it at all, and I agree with Him.

Just because you do not see how something can be positive doesn't mean it isn't. Hey, it doesn't turn you on, doesn't feel right to you... fine, but the tone of this post suggest a value judgment on what others experience as being somehow negative... If someone is set up to fail, got something positive out of it, who are you and your master to tell them that it wasn't a positive experience?

My Daddy loves me, what both posts insinuate is that because he played a game with me at an intimate moment to see how hard I would try to do that which I couldn't he somehow loves me less and I should somehow feel like a "failure". Not everyone feels the same way about things, and I certainly felt like I had triumphed for trying to do what I couldn't.. it pleased him deeply that I did.

Now let me reverse this to see how it sounds to you, lets say my Daddy and I talked about submissives that were never pushed into a situation which they were set up to fail, and anyone who didn't do that could not possibly be weal or twue... wouldn't that be utter bullshit?

I never have understood it when people projected their value system on to other people and felt that they should be the arbitors of what is good and right in a relationship. Perhaps for you it wouldn't work, but why the commentary on this practice and blanket statement of "nothing positive coming from it" is beyond me... perhaps it just shows a lack of imagination that people cannot imagine something being positive to others because it isn't perceived as positive to them.

I have not and will not put words in your mouth....what I DID say was....My Master and I discussed this very topic, and neither Him or I saw anything positive in it....I said NOTHING about anyone not being loved....I said NOTHING about anyone doing "it "wrong....I said NOTHING about anyones judgment...not really sure where you got ALL of what you said out of ......
**He and I have talked about this subject before. He didn't see anything positive in it at all, and I agree with Him.**

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 6:50:47 PM

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I've done it, yes.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 7:01:00 PM

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I just love games like these.

One setup is to blindfold the sub, put parachute on his balls and tell him he mus pull some heavy weight across the room. Just don't tell him that the parachute is connected to the room radiator or some other fixed object.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 7:12:55 PM

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This sounds like a mind-fuck to me. They aren't for everyone, but with the right people on both sides, they can be exciting, and sometimes, very bonding.

Mind fuck with the right person is extremely [need the right English word] but yes bonding.

My Mistress has put extremely painful nipple clamps on me and told me to endure them while she counts to lets say 100. In 40 she takes a smoke pause. In 70 she starts to count back wards to 50. In 110 she just stops and only after quite some time after that she takes them off. Sometimes gently and sometimes she just rips them off.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 7:18:04 PM

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I just love games like these.

One setup is to blindfold the sub, put parachute on his balls and tell him he mus pull some heavy weight across the room. Just don't tell him that the parachute is connected to the room radiator or some other fixed object.

Hahahahahaaha, I have done this one too! I had him tied to the coffee table, there is still a mark on My floor,,,,,,,,,,,,,Or even better, attach the parachute to a very heavy chain, and make him keep it off the floor,,,,,that can get ROUGH

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 8:04:57 PM

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no, you're not the only one that couldn't hold still for that, if i had that going on on my ass, i wouldnt' be able to hold still for even 1 let alone 20...

It wasn't just the ass. The senstive inner thighs, the outer thighs, the calves, you name it, he hit it. The lower back. I eventually realized it wasn't just me. I wasn't the failure. The inadequate one. No matter what he said and of what a wimp I was. I realized it when I turned on him and expected him to take it. Tables turn and oooh no...

That and I just stopped caring. Of course it also just stopped all together.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 9:39:48 PM

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I have not and will not put words in your mouth....what I DID say was....My Master and I discussed this very topic, and neither Him or I saw anything positive in it....I said NOTHING about anyone not being loved....I said NOTHING about anyone doing "it "wrong....I said NOTHING about anyones judgment...not really sure where you got ALL of what you said out of ......
**He and I have talked about this subject before. He didn't see anything positive in it at all, and I agree with Him.**

You quoted someone that talked about being a loving domme, and how because she is a loving domme that she does not do this. You were agreeing with her and you even highlighted those words. If you did not especiallly agree with those words I would wonder why you would highlight them? Why in the context of the discussion at hand are these words so relevant to you?

I really do not care what you discuss with your partner, but I will note that this is not the first time that you have made the point that you find mind fucks distasteful and abusive. I find many things distasteful for me, yet I do not need to go around preaching about how I find them so. For example, for me it would be wrong to be married and have a dom too, for me that would just suck. For me I could not live with a husband and submit to a dominant.. but that is just me. I do not need to preach about it, or talk about all the discussions I have had with my Daddy about how I could not be in an open relationship... and yes, we have had those discussions. I respect other people's relationship choices enough not to go on and on over and over again about how they would be wrong for me.

Now I suppose it was the highlighting of the post you quoted that set me to responding. I just don't like people making assumptions when they have never experienced something and making commentary about subjects they are ignorant about. You haven't had a mind fuck, nor have you been set up to fail in a way that you found to be fun... so how would you know?

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/9/2008 9:57:09 PM

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i think it is a subjective thing, some people like it, some don't. some can handle it, some can't....it isn't a matter of right or wrong, it is a matter of preference and understanding.

edited to add, what is right for one might be wrong for another, but what the fuck is the big deal? people have preferances and they don't always match up.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/10/2008 12:10:28 AM

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I have not and will not put words in your mouth....what I DID say was....My Master and I discussed this very topic, and neither Him or I saw anything positive in it....I said NOTHING about anyone not being loved....I said NOTHING about anyone doing "it "wrong....I said NOTHING about anyones judgment...not really sure where you got ALL of what you said out of ......
**He and I have talked about this subject before. He didn't see anything positive in it at all, and I agree with Him.**

You quoted someone that talked about being a loving domme, and how because she is a loving domme that she does not do this. You were agreeing with her and you even highlighted those words. If you did not especiallly agree with those words I would wonder why you would highlight them? Why in the context of the discussion at hand are these words so relevant to you?

I really do not care what you discuss with your partner, but I will note that this is not the first time that you have made the point that you find mind fucks distasteful and abusive. I find many things distasteful for me, yet I do not need to go around preaching about how I find them so. For example, for me it would be wrong to be married and have a dom too, for me that would just suck. For me I could not live with a husband and submit to a dominant.. but that is just me. I do not need to preach about it, or talk about all the discussions I have had with my Daddy about how I could not be in an open relationship... and yes, we have had those discussions. I respect other people's relationship choices enough not to go on and on over and over again about how they would be wrong for me.

Now I suppose it was the highlighting of the post you quoted that set me to responding. I just don't like people making assumptions when they have never experienced something and making commentary about subjects they are ignorant about. You haven't had a mind fuck, nor have you been set up to fail in a way that you found to be fun... so how would you know?

juliaoceania this is a disgussion board... so yes I high lighted a sentence from someone else that I shared a POV with... LOTS of other people do that too btw. I also realize that because this is a discussion board, that there will be varying views...and I always look forward to reading them....even though I may not always agree with them. I appreciate your POV, I just happen to disagree with it is all.

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RE: Set up to fail - 2/10/2008 2:05:38 AM

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I find that this is common in a "punishment scene". When both want the outcome, the path to get there can be varied. Sometimes, "No! That's wrong!" *thwack!* is fun.

But, I wouldn't do it in a real-life way. People who constantly fail, especially through circumstances someone else dictated, eventually become unhappy, sometimes damaged, people.

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