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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 8:14:33 PM   
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Red flags are red flags, vanilla or kink. If your partner says he/she cares about you, but their actions don't match their words, believe the actions. If they lie to you, don't lie to yourself that they'll change because they won't.

Most of all don't accept treatment that isn't acceptable to you.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 8:17:42 PM   
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In other words, he was a moocher.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 8:19:13 PM   
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Maybe some cautionary tales from subs will help the less sensitive Tops out there....understand why they keep ending up holding empty collars.


Which is less desirable: holding an empty collar because you wouldn't dominate her the way she wanted to be dominated or holding a leash attached to an occupied collar in one hand whilst holding the script she has written for you to follow in the other?

I'd take door number one.




I'll take a script we write together-that changes as we change.

Rather than a unilateral fantasy written by a child in a man's body.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 8:45:29 PM   
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Domming is not about abuse. it is about control in a loving manner. respecting hard limits and having the love and respect of the sub... she needs you, wants you, craves you. you give her what she needs... heart, mind and body. abuse is not in the equation

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 8:48:05 PM   
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Domming is not about abuse. it is about control in a loving manner. respecting hard limits and having the love and respect of the sub... she needs you, wants you, craves you. you give her what she needs... heart, mind and body. abuse is not in the equation


That would be the ideal. If everyone in this was actually sane and ethical.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 8:54:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I'm sure it happens all of the time, and then you leave.

Maybe some cautionary tales from subs will help the less sensitive Tops out there....understand why they keep ending up holding empty collars.

What went so horribly wrong? But let's also be fair-admit your own part in it. Even if it was only putting up with abuse.


i despised Her so i left Her, in a manner that had hurt me in the past. did i want to do it? no. would i have preferred a better way? yes. would i have done teh same thing again? probably due to the nature of the relationship. do i still despise Her (which i think is just as relevant of a question)? well She's not one of my top ten people but no i don't still despise Her. i wish Her well assuming She keeps staying out of my life. though to be fair a lot of our problems stemmed from very vanilla places as well--we both wanted to be in control over at least part of the relationship, and unfortunately it was the same part, and there as a complete communication breakdown, though as far as i remember it i did attempt to rectify that. but shrug. it was a year ago now and nothing's going to change what happened.


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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 8:59:13 PM   
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Who are you to say the sub didn't enjoi the abusive fucktards???  3 sides to every story...theirs, mine and what really happened


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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 11:08:14 PM   
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I slowly started to despise him.  Little heart breaks that I couldnt bare thinking about, so I ignored.  Oh he was a charmer all right.  Really good with those words.  As they say, a silver tongue.  He was really good at turning things around.  I would think he was being dishonest and fooling around behind my back.... we'd argue... and it was me.. always creating problems.  Every 3 weeks to be excat.. if you ask him.  I never could just be happy.  He did this and that and this for me.  I was just looking for problems.  What a trouble maker I was!  Always trying to find out "the bad" stuff, always looking to catch him in lies.  I was so terrible and he was so patient, so good to me.  Just look at all the wonderful things he did!  Yet here I was... every 3 weeks (or whatever number he chosoe to insert) causing problems.  So of course, I had to be punished.  Sometimes it was for doubting him.  How dare i doubt this wonderful man that loved me?  Then the pain would start.  Oh and I'd hold out.  Sometimes I'd grab his weapons of torture (big mistake), sometimes my little body would manage to lift his body off of mine in an attempt to stop the pain.  Once or twice, I'd just bolt.  But damn him for being bigger, damn it for there being no where to go, and damn him for having handcuffs.  And he'd drag me down the hall and i would laugh.. cos damn.. wouldnt want him to think i was seriously bolting.  That wouldn't go well for me.  Sometimes I'd just troop it out.  It'd only last so long right?  Sometimes, I'd be so damn angry I wanted to lob his head off.  But he was kind and wise, loving too, and he'd continue laying the marks down until I couldn't hold tight much longer and I'd break.  He'd come in, while I'm tied down to something, bawling my eyes out, and shush me.  Telling me Daddy was there.  Not to worry.  Everything was okay... hugging me... being so sweet.  Sometimes I'd still be angry.  I could only hold onto that for so long.  Eventually the love he was projecting to me would break through.  And it would start again.  Things would be fine....... until. 

I wasn't always dense.  Some where in me heard what everyone was saying.  I took off once on him, in a strange place, with no shoes or money.  Just a cell phone.  But he called the cops and it freaked me out, so I called him.  He cried.  He was sorry.  I had to get home some how.  Running away wasn't going to be that easy after all.  So i went home with him. Eventually there was trouble.  And he would hug me and love me....    Until I wasn't looking again.  I got lucky when he moved out.  I didn't feel lucky.  This man consuming my life, consuming me.  Making me crazy.  I didnt think i could survive with out him.  Yet I did.  I came back to myself.  God bless my soul.  I rebuilt myself.  Watching him walk away, angry and hurt, yet I still rebuilt myself.  I finally got to a place where I said "this has got to fucking end"  He really helped it a long when I read all his emails.  I think my heart broke that day.  No matter how bad it had all been, I had held on to the fact that he loved me.  To me, that had made it all ok.  Dense really.  My heart broke and he tried to heal it, once again.  I started going out again, meeting people, having new experiences.  He tried his old tricks.  Beat me and than love me.  Got me so good that time, that simply by using repeated strokes of a paddle, blood went flying.  He amazed himself.  Didnt work though.  I had finally gotten back on my feet, finally moved myself emotionally away from him. I tried to end it.  He didnt really agree.  There was of course, consequences to pay.  Ending it with him petrified me.  Put me into panic attacks.  Yet I'd try until I failed.  I actually tried to end it many, many times.  Always getting a healthy dose of threats and pain.  It almost became hard to end it than it was to endure it.  I started hoping to simply lose his interest again.  I often contented myself with the fact that he wasnt really apart of my life anymore.  So I did my own thing.  At least I tried.  He kept trying to pull his own tricks.  When he'd make an appearance, and I'd be laying in bed late at night watching TV, he'd wrap his fingers around my neck.  Sure it was scary.  I'd agree to what he'd said.  Of course.  It wouldnt last long.  He'd forget again.  I often told myself, "if i just stop fighting him and look like i'm going with the program" - he'd just stop forcing it upon me.  Slowly I just kept pushing him out of my life.  Shutting down the ways he'd find to get into my head.  He loved to find some "opening" and jump in my head.  Bring me back to that sobbing little girl who just needed a hug.  So, of course, he could step in and huuuuuuug me.  Sometimes it worked, but something inside of me never let it last long.  Back at it, I was again.  Shutting him off, distancing myself.  We went round and round like that for over a year.  To be honest, it was a better cycle than the one before with him.  Especially since every time I lost the battle of shutting him out, I learned a new strategy that would help in the long run. 

Not long ago, I just couldnt.  I had lost all respect and trust.  I had lost everything.  I looked at him and all I could see was his faults.  His faults were magnified.  He knew this. My behavior and attitude towards him was so changed.  The girl that was so under his thumb was finally gone.  He became desperate.  He became a sniveling whiney baby.  He often cried, begging my forgiveness, doing everything he though he could to "fix" things.  I just looked at him in contempt.  Once, he got down on his knees and kissed my feet.  An attempt to gain my forgivness and all I could think was "my neighbors will see him.... oh good lord".  He also thought (and with good reason) that having sex with me was a great way to get inside of my head.  He was right.  My defenses go down.  So he'd force me into intercourse - doing his best to jump inside of my head.  It'd work.  For a moment.  By this time i was so filled with contempt and disgust.  This man who had trampled all over me, this man who I gave my soul, my heart, my love.  He says he loves me, but does love do all that he's done?  If he loved me, if had ever, would he condem me for thinking he was cheating on me behind my back, twist my mind, and than beat me for it?  When it was the truth?  He wanted me to believe thats love?  All the other things.  I was to forgive?  When he finally had the balls to be honest, I was expected to just "Get over it".  I heard so many times "its in the past", "stop bringing up the past". 

Now he is just pathetic.  He still crys.  I still feel disgust and contempt.  I hear his tears and I think of my tears.  I think of others that he has affected and their tears.  His tears, come last.  I will shed no more.  I will not allow him to be the reason I shed any more tears.  When I finally got the balls (with the help of a lot of others) to finally break up with him........ all hell broke loose.  He still can't be a man and admit why things happened the way they happened.  Its all still in my head and I am the naughty one.  Actually currently, if you ask him, I am brainwashed and being rebellious.  My brother told me "what he considers brainwashing, is what others consider education" Heh

I learned to despise him slowly.  Like, I would assume, most people learn to despise anybody.  Slowly, as we learn them. As we learn who they are and not who they pretend to be.  As we learn to work past the bullshit and lies we are presented with, to the truth behind it all.   

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/8/2008 11:50:40 PM   
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Yes, but eventually one sees beyond the masks. No matter how many are worn.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/9/2008 2:31:36 AM   
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Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.


That is such a "haha... only serious! " movie.
Clowns see insights into souls that serious people overlook.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/9/2008 2:56:02 AM   
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I can't say I despise anyone. I feel pity, and sometimes revulsion, but despise is a short lived momentary thing. It goes away when the temper cools, and I know it wasn't really me despising them, it was just me being very angry and likely hurt at the time.
There are lots of ways to become disenchanted with a person, in or out of a relationship. People change over time and sometimes it's unavoidable, you just grow in different directions and slowly come to not like eachother.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/9/2008 5:11:24 AM   
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Thankyou all for posting.
I hope everyone on CM reads this.
As far as I am concerned D/s isn't about using people.
It's about serious grown-up relationships where there is no real fear, or anger, or abuse etc.
A lot of us have a story to tell. Finding anyone interested in listening is the problem.
If there is anyone here who thinks that it's easy to walk away from an abusive relationship then try and open your minds and listen. It isn't easy but a lot of us have done it.
For all of those who have you have my admiration.
If someone is incapable of true caring and you will know at some point if they are or not then start to remove yourself from the emotional rollercoaster. Because they are not worth it.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/9/2008 7:24:48 AM   
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There was this time I was with batshalom and she kept buying all these fucking red sweaters when I wanted blue ones....

Crasy, huh?



(Seriously, it must suck to read this thread and think "Hey...wait a minute...she's talking about me!")



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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/9/2008 7:35:44 AM   
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Domming is not about abuse. it is about control in a loving manner.

That may be true for you and for some others; but it's not true for everyone. Personally, I would take the abuse over the love anyday.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/9/2008 8:29:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

(Seriously, it must suck to read this thread and think "Hey...wait a minute...she's talking about me!")



I only wrote about my own culpability, but "seriously" with some of the abuse that has been posted, wouldn't it behoove some of these cretins to read and maybe check themselves?
Then again, cretins rarely do, it seems to me. Minimally, however, it doesn't strike me as something to feel to much empathy about...


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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/9/2008 9:58:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subtee

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

(Seriously, it must suck to read this thread and think "Hey...wait a minute...she's talking about me!")



I only wrote about my own culpability, but "seriously" with some of the abuse that has been posted, wouldn't it behoove some of these cretins to read and maybe check themselves?
Then again, cretins rarely do, it seems to me. Minimally, however, it doesn't strike me as something to feel to much empathy about...



If your a cretin and not the victim of slander at the hands of one of Leatherist's "psycho subbies"....

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/9/2008 11:08:39 AM   
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~checks her tag~

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/9/2008 11:35:36 AM   
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There was this time I was with batshalom and she kept buying all these fucking red sweaters when I wanted blue ones....


I told you already that the red ones signalled my many throngs of men that you were out of the house and I was ready for action because I only like toying with your emotions and have nothing better to do than to do mean things to you. Blue isn't as noticable. We've been over this a million times already.

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(Seriously, it must suck to read this thread and think "Hey...wait a minute...she's talking about me!")


I am warning you that if you jinxed me, if he shows up in my inbox, on my phone, at my house, or on here, I will so not buy you any more red sweaters.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/9/2008 11:38:01 AM   
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I don't despise any of my exes.  However, since the point of this was to help others learn from our own mistakes... (Which is a good idea.  I mean, I don't have time to make every mistake myself!)

I was almost right for him.  But I think that maybe he saw an ideal version  of me, and not me in actuality.  Every time I'd do something he didn't like, he'd blow up and push me away.  And every time he pushed me away, I felt as though I actually had something to apologize for.  He was in the wrong for trying to make me something I am/was not.  And I was in the wrong for even thinking about changing vital parts of my personality for him.

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RE: Learning to despise a Dominant. - 2/9/2008 6:50:28 PM   
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This is why I see the whole sterotypical "molding" idea to be such total idiocy.

Most of the people who want to do it to another don't even have thier own mold right-just a cracked pot.

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