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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
While I am quite certain that those that identify as goreans can defend themselves, based upon what I have seen........ I don't believe the intent of this thread had anything to do with attacking or defending the gorean choice. Rather, as I read it, to chose some better written literature that might be used in a manner similar to Norman's books. To base a lifestyle choice on.

To get into any sort of pro or anti gorean chatter would sidetrack the intent of the thread.

signed,

PretendWannabeModfortheMoment

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

I have seen some elements in books since I was a kid, but that was more seeing what was important to me.  The first one I can recall would be “Little House in the Big Woods.”

Norman’s following were people (young men probably) who had BDSM thoughts, and he catered to them, just as Rice catered to followers of Beauty.  I think it would be difficult to set up a whole style of living based on what someone who is kink-inclined could read into a book that’s not intended to be kinky.

You could create a whole society of D/s that is highly sadistic based on The Scarlet Letter, but since that was based on the practices of a real culture . . .

This has a yummy dominant tone, if you read it right
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There is nothing that keeps you at any one moment out of hell, but my mere pleasure.  -- By my mere pleasure, I mean my sovereign pleasure, my arbitrary will, restrained by no obligation, hindered by no manner of difficulty, any more than if nothing else but my mere will had in the least degree, or in any respect whatsoever, any hand in the your preservation.

Your strength has no power to resist me, nor can anyone deliver you out of my hands. – I am not only able to cast you into hell, but I can most easily do it. Sometimes an earthly prince meets with a great deal of difficulty to subdue a rebel, who has found means to fortify herself.  It is not so with me.  You have no fortress that is any defense from me.  You are as a great heap of light chaff before the whirlwind; or a quantity of dry stubble before devouring flames.

It is not because I am unmindful of your wickedness, and do not resent it, that I do not let loose my hand.  My wrath burns against you, your fate does not slumber; the pit is prepared, the fire is made ready, the furnace is now hot, ready to receive you; the flames do now rage and glow . . .

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Seems like pretty hot stuff to me, and it was intended to be guidance for living.  It’s part of the sermon “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” (I tweaked with the wording) from Edwards, asshole that he was.

Maybe religion veiled kink.

I  haven’t  read Chaucer yet, but he’s on my syllabus.  

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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While I am quite certain that those that identify as goreans can defend themselves, based upon what I have seen.

and I just defended myself,  PretendWannabeModfortheMoment   ;)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Quick reply -

De Sade was heavily anti-clerical - what seems like an obsession with hurting others came from a rejection of the right and wrong dichotomy as it was presented by the church.

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His philosophy was: why do good when one can do bad?

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Nobody can base a lifestyle on Sade, because his writings are actually boring as hell (anybody tried, yet?)

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- unless raping nuns and sticking candles up their orifices counts as fantasy-fodder to anybody (why not, I guess...).

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To get back to the original post, I never cease to wonder how intelligent people need to base their entire belief system and philosophy of life on a series of badly-written pulp fiction novels which were written as a reaction to the feminist movement in the '60s. Or on Star Trek. Or anything else. I just. Don't. Under. Stand.

Help!

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ORIGINAL: Justme696
but does it matter if it makes other happy, that peopel don't understand them
Many don't understand bdsm either

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the judged..judge

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ORIGINAL: Maestro66babycak

Thank you for posting this Noah! Everytime I post something 'anti-gor' it gets deleted!
I agree with you !
 

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: spoiledprincess9

Amen to that. I'm only 5'1, maybe I'll start pretending I'm from a race of hobbits out of the Lord of the Rings series.

Nice pic.
 
To the OP..... Noah, you may be on to something.
 
Oralists could learn from The Fountainhead-giver.
 
Or The Lord of the Flyswatters, about a dominant that had a fondness for household implements.
 
Henry James' The Golden Bowl could guide pee-freaks.
 
A Handful of Nuts for any Evelyn Waugh/cbt fans?
 
Howard's End, analists? Or a Margaret Atwoodian A Handmaid's Tail?
 
Death Cums for the Archbishop, for the Neil Gaiman/Willa Cather sect.
 
Nasty ol' literature.....

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ORIGINAL: Hotch

I guess I'm just a fair weather Libertine.  I can't commit myself to be completely devoid of moral restraint, but I don't need some fictional consecration to justify my actions.

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ORIGINAL: sweetwenchie

bipolarber.. i have my own opinions on Gor, mostly those opinions fall into the "to each their own category".  Your last comment made me stop and wonder though... how does their thinking that they follow a philosophy of integrity and honesty somehow infer than no one else does?  i would think that one can only take offense to that if they are looking for a reason to be offended.  It is like being offended by Buddhists stating that they follow a philosophy of learning how to live a happy and peaceful life.  Does that mean that they automatically believe that only they can have happy and peaceful lives?  Can only they through meditation reach a higher plane?  Of course not.   (Yes, i am aware i was simplifying the Buddhist teachings and philosophy as that was not truly the direction i was going.)

Personally i try not to infer that i am somehow less because i do not follow their tenets.  They are happy with their life, and i am happy with mine.  There is room in this kinky ass thing we do for quite a few philosophies and paths.

~edited due to typos... the bane of my secretarial existence~

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ORIGINAL: outlier

Noah,

Shakespeare you ask?  The obvious answer here would be
The Taming Of The Shrew.  I understand that there have been
feminist disputes about it being a dream within a play but it is about
the woman being tamed.  After all, Kate does end the play with a
monologue explaining that wives should always be obedient to their
husbands who they should view as their lords.

And don't forget the delightful and witty musical version
Kiss Me Kate with music and lyrics by Cole Porter.
These include the song Brush Up Your Shakespeare.
which were edited because they were considered too
bawdy for the 1950's movie version.

Lyrics

The girls today in society go for classical poetry
So to win their hearts one must quote with ease
Aeschylus and Euripides
One must know Homer, and believe me, Beau
Sophocles, also Sappho-ho
Unless you know Shelley and Keats and Pope
Dainty Debbies will call you a dope

But the poet of them all
Who will start 'em simply ravin'
Is the poet people call
The Bard of Stratford on Avon

{Refrain}
Brush up your Shakespeare
Start quoting him now
Brush up your Shakespeare
And the women you will wow

Just declaim a few lines from Othella
And they'll think you're a hell of a fella
If your blonde won't respond when you flatter 'er
Tell her what Tony told Cleopatterer

If she fights when her clothes you are mussing
What are clothes?  Much ado about nussing
Brush up your Shakespeare
And they'll all kow-tow

{Refrain}

With the wife of the British ambessida
Try a crack out of Troilus and Cressida
If she says she won't buy it or tike it
Make her tike it, what's more As You Like It

If she says your behavior is heinous
Kick her right in the Coriolanus
Brush up your Shakespeare
And they'll all kow-tow

{Refrain}

If you can't be a ham and do Hamlet
They will not give a damn or a damlet
Just recite an occasional sonnet
And your lap'll have honey upon it

When your baby is pleading for pleasure
Let her sample your Measure for Measure
Brush up your Shakespeare
And they'll all kow-tow - Forsooth
And they'll all kow-tow - I' faith
And they'll all kow-tow

{Refrain}

Better mention "The Merchant Of Venice"
When her sweet pound o' flesh you would menace
If her virtue, at first, she defends---well
Just remind her that "All's Well That Ends Well"

And if still she won't give you a bonus
You know what Venus got from Adonis
Brush up your Shakespeare
And they'll all kow-tow - Thinkst thou?
And they'll all kow-tow - Odds bodkins
And they'll all kow-tow

{Refrain}

If your goil is a Washington Heights dream
Treat the kid to "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
If she then wants an all-by-herself night
Let her rest ev'ry 'leventh or "Twelfth Night"

If because of your heat she gets huffy
Simply play on and "Lay on, Macduffy!"
Brush up your Shakespeare
And they'll all kow-tow - Forsooth
And they'll all kow-tow - Thinkst thou?
And they'll all kow-tow - We trou'
And they'll all kow-tow

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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

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ORIGINAL: Rafters

http://www.sca.org/
I won't comment on the girls, they hang round guys with swords.

No, a lot of us fight with the swords.    

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ORIGINAL: amadeus77

And yet some titles of literature disappoint. These, for example, sound like they'd be kinky, but not so...
 
Black Beauty by Anna Sewell. Not a hint of multi-racial kink to be found.
Bleak House by Charles Dickens. Not a single dungeon in it.
Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky. Great literature, but what a missed opportunity!
Eight Cousins by Louisa May Alcott. If you're looking for family fun, forget it.
Father Goriot by Honore Balzac. No slaves. No alternate planets. Phooey.
Hard Times by Dickens.
Jo's Boys by Louisa May Alcott. Where's Jo, the Domme?
Kidnapped by Robert Louis Stevenson. Oh, you mean THAT kind of kidnapped...
Of Human Bondage by Somerset Maugham. No B,  much less D, S, or M.
Our Mutual Friend by Charles Dickens. Not a threesome I could find.
The Invisible Man by H.G. Wells. What -- you're invisible and THAT's all you could think to do?
The Man in the Iron Mask by Alexandre Dumas. Pure vanilla.
The Mysterious Affair at Styles by Agatha Christie. Can you have an affair without somebody cheating?
The Odyssey by Homer. I expected a dictionary of kink, but came away disappointed.
 
Amadeus77

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ORIGINAL: sextoygirlNY

Tracy,
I must admit that is the first time i have ever read Houseplants of gor, the parody.  Yet while others may laught and mock at it, i see so much truth and insite in that little story. Think about it, the houseplant doesnt want to be watered, yet it is the Master who is giving the very essense that the houseplant needs to survive. Watering it at his choosing, which in turn is going to force the plant to be true to its nature, to grow, to mature, and be a beautiful piece of property.
The Master wants to see his plant blossom, and wants to see the full use and potential of his property, and no matter how much his property whined and complained about the water, it was the plant that succumed to the will of him.

Thank you for sharing this  story.
wishes you well,
melanie

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ORIGINAL: feylin  Who wants to be the dragon that promises to eat people later...if she has time?

Christine

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

FR:   

This is Dick.

This is Jane.

See Dick whip Jane.  Whip Dick whip! 

See Jane moan.  Moan Jane moan!

Jane is bored.  See Jane fidget.  See Jane switch.

See Dick beg.  Beg Dick beg!

Dick is poly.  See Sue, Sally, Janet and Bob.

Dick says "Jane, find me a sister sub to play with!"

See Jane fidget.  Fidget Jane fidget.

Jane is not poly.  See Jane go.

This is Tom.  Tom is a twue Dom.  See Tom command.  See Tom give orders.  See Tom give Jane a Collar of Consideration.  See Jane run.  Run Jane, run.

This is Suzie.  Suzie is into humiliation.  See Suzie beg.  Beg Suzie beg.   See Suzie beg Sally, Janet and Bob.  Beg more, Suzie.  Beg!  More, begs Suzie.  Humiliate me more.

See Spot...


E.

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That Edwards, was that Jonathan?

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Can you tell us more about the Little House in the Big Woods? I'm unfamiliar.

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

And thank goodness the author knew not to elaborate on the doings of Spot.

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

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That Edwards, was that Jonathan?

Yes.

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Can you tell us more about the Little House in the Big Woods? I'm unfamiliar.

It was first in the series of children's books written by Laura Ingalls Wilder, based around the 1870s.  There is nothing sexual about it.  I was just kinky kid and squirmed in my seat when the teacher read it aloud, especially when she read the parts about Pa.