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liketophoto -> RE: Hats inside (2/9/2008 10:12:36 PM)

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FangsNfeet -> RE: Hats inside (2/9/2008 10:53:37 PM)

Back in the day, the purpose of the hat was to keep sun out of ones eyes, give shade to a face, and possibly keep a head warm when winter came. The idea of wearing a hat inside was ridiculous because there was no sun to blind you and the heat was on if cold outside. Who continues to wear there coat when inside? Who keeps an unbrella over them when once inside? "That's just funny looking. Take your damn hat off." 

Aristocrates and Pioneers of Ms Manners quickly linked the hat to mannerisms and culture. As with everything else, hats had a puropse and gentlemen were to know how to wear and gesture with them. Tiping and or Taking off a hat became to be gestures of a gentlemen. These gestures later became incorporated into most militaries. In times of prayer, singing, or saying a pledge, taking off your hate became a gesture to show you are doing something to be respectfull. It's a simple gesture to show that your concentration is with what's being done.  

Now days, another major purpose of a hat is to show fashion or support a cause. Hats are increasingly being used for looks rather than keeping the sun out of ones eyes. Many balding people or post head surgery patients decide to wear a hat to hide what they think is shamfull or distracting in public.

Either way, I don't find anyone wearing a hat inside to be disrespectfull. Who and what are you respecting when you take your hat off? Everyone is welcome to wear there hat in my house as it will not offend me.

I was taught and raised with old fashion manners with hats. But I still question, how is it disrespectfull when wearing a hat inside? The only times I take my hat off now are when I'm in a church service, eating a the table, in time of prayer or patriotism, kissing, and when having sex. 



darchChylde -> RE: Hats inside (2/9/2008 11:08:18 PM)

Fast Reply:

i hate hats, yet i wear one most every day; if not a hat, then a bandana.  Some places, i'll take it off; some i won't.  Usually when i do, it's more about showing off my hair than respect or ettiquette.

You see, i have very long and thick hair that is really hot; my cutting my hair is not an option for several reasons.  On the other hand, it's not practical to do my hair so it will stay out of my face (or even presentably in a ponytail) every time i leave the house.  A hat or a bandana is the next best thing. 

Sorry if this discomfits anyone, but times change.  If anyone can't accept that, they should go back to never having any form of sexual contact other than for the express purpose of procreation.



FangsNfeet -> RE: Hats inside (2/9/2008 11:14:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

I collect baseball caps and wear them every where,My big turn off is watching those eat in a restaurant wearing caps,I want to go bitch slap them and say"didn't you momma teach you any better'..


Don't wear your hat at the table. Don't wear your hat a the table. Don't wear your hat at the table.

Yeah, we're all taught that but why? Who or what are we disrepecting? If the owner or waitress was upset, then they wouldn't be serving us hat wearers any food. If it doesn't offend the owner or the guys date, why should it offend you?

If you wish to live by your own personal standards that fine. But come one, where is the orgin of the rule that you have to take your hat off inside or while eating in a restaurant? What makes it a must?

All these hat rules are just made up manerisms by high class gentlemen to show they have higher class than people who were not there when the gestures were first created. 

There are gestures and manerisms with just about every type of accssory you can think of. Watches, shoes, coats, skirts, and even cains have rules that go with them to show you are a gentlemen or lady.

"Oh, we now wear hats. What can we do with them to show respect, politness, and so forth with them?"  "I got it! How about we take them off when we're inside?" "Take them off, how does that show respect?" "Beat the hell out of me but it sounds nice." "Okay, that will work. What else?" "Uh uh, we'll tip our hats to ladies to show acknowledgement of there presence." "Damn, good thinking. That might catch a ladies eye. It's worth seeing if we can get some attention with it."  

All these old fashion conservitive rules started out as libral ideas as ways to stand out and be different.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Hats inside (2/9/2008 11:39:30 PM)

Men wearing hats indoors is indeed a big pet peeve of mine and something that irks me tremendously.



FangsNfeet -> RE: Hats inside (2/9/2008 11:46:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Men wearing hats indoors is indeed a big pet peeve of mine and something that irks me tremendously.


Why? Surely it can't be "Just the way you were raised." What truely makes such an action of leaving a hat on rude, ungentlemen like, and down right barbaric?



popeye1250 -> RE: Hats inside (2/9/2008 11:56:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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ORIGINAL: liketophoto

I grew up to believe it was not proper for males to wear hats inside.
It actually bothers me to see males not remove their hats inside.
Does anyone else find this disrespectful or did we just faze into another era?


For me it's force of habit.  The Marines made it abundantly clear covers are not worn inside.



Yeah, us Sailors too.
I live in the South now, everyone seems to wear their hats inside even at restaurants.



Foititis -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 2:36:45 AM)

I don't wear hats personally. However when I was at school I tried my best never to take my hat off for the soul purpose of annoying the staff (that school had a lot of out dated social expectations), to me the only problem with it is that women aren’t expected to do it I'm a big believer in equality and customs like this are clear examples of social inequality.



KenDckey -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 3:15:12 AM)

My grand daughter used to bring boys from the ROTC over for me to taunt.   They would come in my house with their hats on and pants down below their butts.   I would shake their hand (most didn't know how and gave this limp wristed that you owuld expect from a lady), and have them sit.   They would sit there with their hat on and head bowed toward the floor with their dirty underwear on my furniture.   They didn't last long.   I would tell them they could leave until they learned to enter my home and show me some respect.



DaddyAndCarina -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 3:41:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: liketophoto

I grew up to believe it was not proper for males to wear hats inside.
It actually bothers me to see males not remove their hats inside.
Does anyone else find this disrespectful or did we just faze into another era?


I guess at 50 I  miss alot of the old ways... My youngest child's BF came n the house the other day  and took off his hat before he entered the house reason I  noticed is because my comp sits by a window next to the door and I saw the hat on ...  two steps later he had shed the hat ... I was so impressed I complimented him on his manners my youngest tried to crawl in the wall ... He is 16



MissMorrigan -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 5:41:02 AM)

Good old fashioned chivalry! No hats indoors, no shoes/boots on the tables. I don't find it disrespectful as such these days, as I recognise people are from a completely different generation. I find people wearing hats in cinemas even and rather than it being traditionally disrespectful as such, it's a common lack of courtesy for others that offends me.



MissMorrigan -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 5:43:12 AM)

B/c it denotes the visitor isn't comfortable in their host's abode, it's the same with keeping a jacket on in the home of someone you're visiting. You remove hats/coats and it shows the host you are friendly, comfortable and OPEN.



Sasy -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 5:47:02 AM)

I  remember when those in JROTC took pride in their appearence, When it taught manners and self worth ... Every time i see boxers all I can think is WEDGY



MissMorrigan -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 5:54:22 AM)

I had to look up JROTC. I think it goes way back, much further than that, Sasy. If you think about it, outdoor wear is for protection - by keeping outdoor wear on in the home of someone you're visiting it implies they have something to be wary of, which isn't the right impression to be giving others.



darchChylde -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 7:20:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan

B/c it denotes the visitor isn't comfortable in their host's abode, it's the same with keeping a jacket on in the home of someone you're visiting. You remove hats/coats and it shows the host you are friendly, comfortable and OPEN.


One difference between the current generation and earlier ones is that for most younger people; even those who were taught some of the more traditional forms of ettiquette, they weren't taught the why.  This is very important to young people, to give them a stricture without a good reason is a great way of forcing their hand to do opposite of that which is desired.

Just look around, and you'll see that many people my age and younger just don't understand body language.  Most of the mannerisms that i have affected (and went on to find as natural) came from reading fantasy novels and period pieces.  Plus, one can learn all kinds of things watching Humphrey Bogart.



farglebargle -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 7:36:21 AM)

http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/Clothes%20Articles/etiquette_for_hats_and_caps.htm

http://www.bcvc.net/hats/




MissMorrigan -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 7:52:54 AM)

Yes, you make a good point and I see this in my own boy who often looks at me as if I'm an alien when I ask him not to engage in behaviours that MY generation, and those prior, would deem disrespectful... until I explain to him why. Those looks are appearing less and less these days [;)]



GreedyTop -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 7:53:29 AM)

wow.. thanks, fargle! Those were interesting links!



MissMorrigan -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 8:11:06 AM)

D.C., I love your long hair, I would have no problem with you wearing a bandana in my home as I feel it's the equivalent of a scarf in any case, I would have a problem with you wearing a hat. I certainly would not have a problem with your hair being loose. Times do change, of that we're certain, and I'm sure that if we're honest, while it's nice reminiscing and keeping some traditions, none of us would want to revert back. I'd give you a bandana, I'd still want you to remove your hat [;)]  I  have a friend that owns/runs a fast food outlet, I lived very close to her. She'd sometimes run to me wearing the apron she was working in and it stank. I'd always make her remove it and leave it on the hook by the front door. Boots/Shoes, Coats and Hats are in the same category.
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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

Fast Reply:

i hate hats, yet i wear one most every day; if not a hat, then a bandana.  Some places, i'll take it off; some i won't.  Usually when i do, it's more about showing off my hair than respect or ettiquette.

You see, i have very long and thick hair that is really hot; my cutting my hair is not an option for several reasons.  On the other hand, it's not practical to do my hair so it will stay out of my face (or even presentably in a ponytail) every time i leave the house.  A hat or a bandana is the next best thing. 

Sorry if this discomfits anyone, but times change.  If anyone can't accept that, they should go back to never having any form of sexual contact other than for the express purpose of procreation.




DesFIP -> RE: Hats inside (2/10/2008 11:44:12 AM)

In the public school here hats are forbidden because somebody will always steal another's hat, and throw it to his friends, never giving it back to the kid he stole it from. Causing tears, anger, fistfights, suspension or detention, parental upsets etc. But they are allowed to dye their hair weird colors.

One year my oldest was in a Waldorf school where hats are allowed as long as they don't have words on them, but hair had to be natural. You could go blonde no matter your normal hair color but not pink. The younger was in public, no hats, wild hair and brands okay. I was always confusing what kid was allowed to do what.



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