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pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/10/2005 11:03:10 AM

DaddyNprincess

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In recent years I've began to become more involved in the lifestyle. I have met a few subs that for them, play is or can be non-sexual. I have some understanding of the endorphine rush of playing with needles, cutting, and maybe the security of being bound, but feel as though I still don't fully understand it.
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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/10/2005 12:49:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddyNprincess

In recent years I've began to become more involved in the lifestyle. I have met a few subs that for them, play is or can be non-sexual. I have some understanding of the endorphine rush of playing with needles, cutting, and maybe the security of being bound, but feel as though I still don't fully understand it.
Daddy J

Don't worry. I don't understand why people like fish on their pizza.

Tastes and turn-ons are not fodder for logical analysis. Best that we enjoy what we enjoy and leave others to their pleasures.

A fine mantra is "My kink is not your kink, but your kink is OK" YKIOK

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/10/2005 12:51:47 PM

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Hrm. I can get sexually aroused by play and still have it be nonsexual.

I recently had an encounter with a former partner. I got the heck beat out of me with just about everything you can imagine, and while I was vaugly sexually aroused, it was simply a pleasing sensation, and not one of sexualized desire or fufillment.

Perhaps it was different because this was my first time simply bottoming, and not submitting. Still, sometimes it's juts the sensation. In the same way that stroking velvet fabric feels good, but is not about sex.

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/10/2005 2:27:22 PM

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i loveeeeee to be flogged and spanked, but i am never aroused by it. It just feels really really good to me. i get the endorphine rush but after Master is done with me i feel like going to sleep.

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/10/2005 2:53:54 PM

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I don't understand masochists that's for sure.

I mean I understand the consept of endorphin rushes, I see it all the time, I know their feelings and loves and abilities.

But I still just get the feeling like I'm watching something completely alien when I see a masochist being beaten and moaning for more. Weirdos.

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/10/2005 3:20:25 PM

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There are lots of other threads on subspace. Imagine being in a happy, fuzzy , floaty kind of trance and feeling under the total control of the dominant. It is your reaction to the dominant doing something that brings all your emotions rushing through you.

I think it is cool you want to understand how powerful it is.

Have you ever been on a scary rollercoaster ride? or watched a scary movie, done skydiving, driven really fast (that is a non sexual rush)

hope this was helpful :)

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/10/2005 3:24:50 PM

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Mr Warren,

I think the OP wanted to understand the power of it. Like if you understand it then you can control it.

I am sure someone with your experience can give alot of advice on that.

Plus what else is interesting about this threads is if different types of play produces different types of sub-space or different feelings in that space.

I always figured the dominant engaged in different things to produce the reactions he wanted.

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/10/2005 4:36:56 PM

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I don't understand masochists that's for sure.

I mean I understand the consept of endorphin rushes, I see it all the time, I know their feelings and loves and abilities.

But I still just get the feeling like I'm watching something completely alien when I see a masochist being beaten and moaning for more. Weirdos.

LMFAO!!! Every time Master beats me She always calls me a freak because i want more. LOL!

<----------Weirdo

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/10/2005 4:51:42 PM

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I guess the thing you have to remember is that the human body and mind are truly extraordinary things when it comes to what they have the capability to experience. Nearly all the various expressions of BDSM can be applied on countless levels with countless goals in mind. A flogging can be as deeply meaning full as a religious experience, or as pleasure centered and superficial as a blowjob. Every inch of your flesh is connected to your brain by billions upon billions of nerve endings. Each of which are capable of allowing you to feel a truly limitless array of sensations. The non-intercourse elements of BDSM as a sexual tool are one of many methods through which we are able to take full advantage of our bodies, and if applied properly even expand our minds.

Never forget, the greatest sexual organ your body possesses is located not between your legs, but between your ears.

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/10/2005 5:00:14 PM

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I am not a masochist, pain does nothing for me in any way, as I am a sadist.

I do enjoy bondage and never for sexual release. However, sexual release can occur when confined and released into bondage, but that occurs from stimulation of other areas of my body or psyche.

For myself, it is bondage that allows me to be released into myself. I have nothing - I am nothing, but myself.
It allows me to open my mind because I have no destractions or anything to think about. Everythings clearer and more silent.

Its that old saying - freedom in restraint.

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/10/2005 5:21:02 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

I don't understand masochists that's for sure.

I mean I understand the consept of endorphin rushes, I see it all the time, I know their feelings and loves and abilities.

But I still just get the feeling like I'm watching something completely alien when I see a masochist being beaten and moaning for more. Weirdos.

LMFAO!! Thanks, I prefer pervert, myself.

When Master and I have an intense scene it quite often does not end in sex. The play itself is sensual, sexy and a turn on. Usually by the end of the scene we're both exhausted and I'm flying, which is not conducive for sex with me.

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/11/2005 9:29:13 AM

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quote:

But I still just get the feeling like I'm watching something completely alien when I see a masochist being beaten and moaning for more. Weirdos.

the ability to manipulate the "pain" of "being beaten" into another sensation within one's mind is something one can train to do. this slave stumbled across it without having to train. receiving "pain" from Master brings this slave much sexual pleasure so the training for this slave involved holding back the orgasm until Master has given permission. this slave would imagine that it helps to have a natural ability or talent for it just like anything else, but if one desires it and is willing to go through a period of conditioning, it can happen.

this slave cannot remember exactly when, but somewhere in her pubescent masturbatory fantasies having pain inflicted upon her was an excellent way to a quick orgasm. fantasy became reality when this slave was able to explore this with Master in the flesh.

Viva Los Wierdos!!!!

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/11/2005 9:47:19 AM

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Thanx for the slogan generator!

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/11/2005 10:50:01 AM

OsideGirl

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No worries. It's fun isn't it?

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/11/2005 4:54:05 PM

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Don't worry. I don't understand why people like fish on their pizza.

You don't? I thought everybody loved anchovies on thier pizza! I know I do...

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/11/2005 5:52:45 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: denimknight

Never forget, the greatest sexual organ your body possesses is located not between your legs, but between your ears.

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denimknight

I do agree with you denimknight and i wished some would understand that. I am a very mental person and in most of my bdsm sessions, there's never sex and i love it for now

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/11/2005 5:53:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: WickedKev

quote:

Don't worry. I don't understand why people like fish on their pizza.

You don't? I thought everybody loved anchovies on thier pizza! I know I do...

Actually I don't understand either. I even suspected there was a huge quiproquo there, with the people saying that they like anchovies on pizza just being polite. I think anchovies on pizze should be banned for offense to good taste. Oh well... what was the OP ? I felt like an alien myself the first time I had some kinky time. We were both complete beginners and just said let's try. There aren't much things that we do that make sense anyway, so what the hell...

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/11/2005 7:09:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: frenchpet

quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedKev

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Don't worry. I don't understand why people like fish on their pizza.

You don't? I thought everybody loved anchovies on thier pizza! I know I do...

Actually I don't understand either. I even suspected there was a huge quiproquo there, with the people saying that they like anchovies on pizza just being polite. I think anchovies on pizze should be banned for offense to good taste. Oh well... what was the OP ? I felt like an alien myself the first time I had some kinky time. We were both complete beginners and just said let's try. There aren't much things that we do that make sense anyway, so what the hell...

The reason I use that example is because it is something about which most people have an opinion yet it is nonsexual so it doesn't carry the "baggage" that a sexual allagory would.

From there I can usually make the point that while we may not understand another's kink, it certainly can be valid despite our lack of understanding AND there is nothing wrong with us being unable to explain why we like a specific kink to a person that doesn't share it.

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/11/2005 7:23:01 PM

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Sex, what's that? I am a "HAPPILY MARRIED MAN" ! ! ! LMCLAO

When I was Tied, Gagged or whatever by MADAM, sex was NEVER on my mind...and not because I was married. I just never thought of sex with Bondage and Pain.....I was having too much fun without it messing things up. I was never tied for a long enough time to get the great rush that others get, but I enjoyed every minute of it, and wouldn't trade iit for anything.

I just can't weat till I get to do it again.

Just Cheese, Crispy Bacon, and Sausages on my Pizza, BalletBob

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RE: pain or bondage non-sexual...huh? - 9/12/2005 4:16:05 AM

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We have enjoyed with one very close Submissive a very varied range of different roll palying fantasies that at no time ever become sexual although sensual and in many ways erotic that is as far as they go at any time if it ever was to go beyond that we all feel that all of which we have come to develope between us would be destroyed and lost forever although it could have gone sexual the feeling to do so was not created as the sensuality of all gone into the rest of the roll was just to great and to exciteing in our minds to take it there yet with another sub we have not got a problem to go that far at any time so to go sexual or not to go is just how the game is palyed and in what circumstnces it is enjoyed we think

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