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mnottertail -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 1:30:23 PM)

What?  you got a haircut.........Big fuckin' deal, you hippie!!!

The Silent Majority 




kittinSol -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 2:51:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I was on welfare for a few months once, even had a couple of those brats (but they didn't scream in the grocery store...manners and all) and look what I have managed to accomplish 7401 posts in just over a year!


I don't know how you multitask like that, Tigresse. I've done nothing but contribute useless pieces of trivia to these boards in the past THREE years, and all I've got to show for it are 2,660 or so posts.

Snot fur.





seeksfemslave -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 3:12:11 PM)

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Thompsonx
seeks:
I thought I made that pretty clear in my post...I am sorry I was not more clear.  The communist/socialist took from the Czar and his thugs what the Czar and his thugs took from their predecessors.  Just as your Queen and every other thug who claims that God says they are divinely ordained to rule.
Your cavalry attack on the American southwest would differ in what functional way from how it was acquired by the U.S.  thompson

Thompson it wouldnt differ it at all, that was precisely my point. Its called irony or if you will taking the piss





LaTigresse -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 3:21:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I was on welfare for a few months once, even had a couple of those brats (but they didn't scream in the grocery store...manners and all) and look what I have managed to accomplish 7401 posts in just over a year!


I don't know how you multitask like that, Tigresse. I've done nothing but contribute useless pieces of trivia to these boards in the past THREE years, and all I've got to show for it are 2,660 or so posts.

Snot fur.




Kittin, it's nothing special believe me! I speed read and I type fast. Plus, I have no social life to speak of. Not to mention, a very uneventful job.




MsBearlee -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 3:28:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

MS bearlee, I said it was a very parsed post.  But technically, after there was a USA tribes from the West (having not been conquered yet) would attack and hold territory for short periods.  Don't  intend to imply that they started the wars, but that they periodically held parts (lands that had not been thiers) of the USA, is technically true. 


Ahhhhhhhhhhhh... so we invaded their homeland and took it away from them, yet when they try and take part of what was theirs back...you consider that invading us?  How can that land we were holding be considered 'land that had not been theirs'?  We are European...they were here first!  None of it was ours until we took their religion, their language, their lifestyle and their food-source and beat them down so badly they could no longer sustain a fight. 
 
America has done this over and over and over again...if not their land, then their resources, their government; their way of life.  Sometimes I wonder if the US motto isn't: "If they are not like us, let's change beat 'em till they are!"  It's disgusting.
 
There are many, many things I like about the US...our warring nature is not one of them.  Sometimes it is down right embarrassing; no wonder so many Europeans don't like us.
 
Beverly   




seeksfemslave -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 3:35:52 PM)

Executive Order no 4: Ms Bearlee is to made Squaw of all Squaws in the female division of the Red Eagles.
The western expansion of the US was based on an outrageous theft of land.

Who will be the first to hand back that which is not rightfully theirs.?
Yes you Mr and Mrs average America.




MsBearlee -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 3:50:25 PM)

Squaw?  Do we have a language issue here?     LOL
 
Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,
Beverly




thompsonx -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 3:52:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

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Thompsonx
seeks:
I thought I made that pretty clear in my post...I am sorry I was not more clear.  The communist/socialist took from the Czar and his thugs what the Czar and his thugs took from their predecessors.  Just as your Queen and every other thug who claims that God says they are divinely ordained to rule.
Your cavalry attack on the American southwest would differ in what functional way from how it was acquired by the U.S.  thompson

Thompson it wouldnt differ it at all, that was precisely my point. Its called irony or if you will taking the piss



seeks:
If you agree it is the same what are you on about all the time about the "commies" taking stuff.  If it is OK for your gang then it follows that it is OK for their gang.
thompson









thompsonx -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 3:57:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Executive Order no 4: Ms Bearlee is to made Squaw of all Squaws in the female division of the Red Eagles.
The western expansion of the US was based on an outrageous theft of land.

Who will be the first to hand back that which is not rightfully theirs.?
Yes you Mr and Mrs average America.

seeks:
Most likely it will happen just about the time your lot give back what they have plundered.  I am not terribly well versed on the nuance of the British Empire but which part of the empire joined voluntarily?
thompson









seeksfemslave -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 3:57:59 PM)

Executive order No 5: PC thinking will be consigned to the dustbin of History.
I await Squaw Bearlee's advice as to how Sacremento and Austin should be best attacked and raised to the ground.

Only those in America who live where the great Sun God rises in the early morn to awaken a Brave and his beautiful Squaw from a night of unbridled passion  shall expect to avoid the wrath of the Red Eagles .




thompsonx -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 4:10:55 PM)

ShaktiSama:
I agree completely.
thompson

[Mod Note:  you didn't need to quote the entire post just to say "me too".  Please trim your quotes.]









Zensee -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 4:27:41 PM)

PC thinking? As in being sensitive and polite enough not to use loaded, outmoded, racial labels?


Z.




MsBearlee -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 4:59:02 PM)

  ^5's  Z
 
and smiles sweetly as she leaves...
Beverly




MsBearlee -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 5:28:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama
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One of the prime fallacies of post-McCarthy America, for example, is the notion that aggression and defense are synonymous.  It was a very, very bad sign when our government changed the named of the Department of War to the Department of Defense, a sign that we were ushering in an age of delusion.
...
What is truly frightening and childish about modern Americans is that they can have military bases which span the globe, soldiers stationed in countless countries which should be sovereign states, and they still behave as they are fighting within their own home territory when they lose a soldier in Iraq.

Guess what?  We don't live there.  It is childish to pretend that soldiers lost during acts of imperial aggression are morally identical to those lost defending one's home territory from attack.  
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THIS is the kind of math that you are not able to grasp.  There is a huge difference--at least an order of magnitude--between the force necessary to defend a country from outsiders, versus the force necessary to impose your imperial will on countries across the globe.

And the reason that this math is important is that the obscene and unecessary money spent on US imperialism is what keeps the US tax base from being spent on the health and collective wellbeing of actual US citizens living within the 50 states.

Again.  440 BILLION DOLLARS in Iraq alone.  To achieve what good?
...
What if the American people spent their money taking care of themselves, rather than hurting and destroying others?

These are the "socialist" questions.  And condemning people who dare to ask them as "pot-smoking hippies" is incredibly stupid.

You want to cut off your support from the ugliest, fattest, laziest Welfare Momma in the history of the planet Earth?  Cut off the US military-industrial complex.  They're the ones spending 90% of your tax dollars, not the impoverished woman with the squalling brats at the supermarket. 

<italics are mine>
 
Okay, let me say, too…Thank you for your post…I couldn’t agree more (for most of it).
 
I thoroughly enjoyed your insightful phrase regarding the ‘Age of Delusion’…I loved that part and found it spot on!  It absolutely cracks me up that McCarthy spied on everybody and wore skirts in secret.  OMG the irony!
 
What you find frightening and childish about modern Americans is exactly what Americans have been doing since we landed on this continent.  Again…I find it disgusting and more than embarrassing; but still…you make a good point.  We are an arrogant lot!  Who are we to invade another’s home and get on our high-horses when anybody tries to fight back?  It just makes no sense.  Our leaders are a bunch of blusterers, me thinks.  Anybody who must lower the podium so that he appears taller is nothing more than a Banty Rooster!  I wish we could make chicken soup of the lot!
 
I agree totally with you that, we should not be warring on others when we cannot take care of our homeland.  Even if we think we need to be there…we need to be here first!  This last president of ours has run us back into financial ruin…and we little people are gonna pay for a long, long time.  So that we can bring ‘democracy’ to others?  What a scam…  It just makes me wanna puke, too!
 
The only part of your post that I had a hard time with was the piece I put in italics.  I, too, was on welfare for a bit.  I was a single mom with a seriously handicapped son.  I couldn’t always hold a job (summer vacation from school meant I had to stay home to care for him (no…no family to help)).  Regardless, I cannot begin to tell you that, in spite of the completely humiliating way I was ‘given’ the money to make it…I did appreciate it.  I worked when I could…(as I have all my life), and eventually did get off welfare.  It is a safety net that saved me.  It is a shame our government lets some abuse it like they do…but your description of ‘squalling brats at the supermarket’ was uncalled for; though I admit you were probably quoting one of the posters here and didn’t exactly mean to put those words as your own.
 
Generally, I love to read your posts… thank you, again!!!
 
Beverly




luckydog1 -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 5:32:49 PM)

Ms bearlee, the Natives were not one nation. 




Aswad -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 5:36:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Loveisallyouneed

Isn't capitalism the economic theory that expects humans who are unable to earn an income should starve to death quietly and without disturbing their neighbours?

Isn't socialism the economic theory that expects humans will commit crimes rather than starve to death, thus it provides for the poorest in society to avoid placing them in that predicament?


See, you don't need to move to socialism... there's a simpler mode that resolves it:

A society should be an amplifier for the potiential of all the individuals in it, not an entity in its own right, and not just a scaffolding. A functional approach, rather than a dogmatic one. Given this angle, a lot of things become clear. Amplifying security is achieved in the same way that security always is: prevention, detection, and response. We prevent it by raising people out of the indignity that compels crime, and by other means that are more a matter of fine tuning. We detect it with police and so forth. We respond with consequences that deter the crime in others, while restoring the potential and dignity of the individual (and their contribution to upholding this amplifier of potential) through rehabilitation and such. We never entitle people; we amplify their potential, but it must still be actualized. We don't deprive them of sovereignty, autonomy, accountability and so forth. We don't impose a dogma or agenda, beyond amplifying and arbitrating.

I have a dream today... or, actually, just a thought... but it's one I like.

Health,
al-Aswad.






MsBearlee -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 5:45:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Ms bearlee, the Natives were not one nation. 


No, they were not, dog.  They were as different as are Protestants & Catholics, Jews & Germans, Blacks & Whites, Gays & Straights…but they were all still on their turf!!!  It was not ours, we took it first.
 
Do you just argue to see yourself in print?  You are brighter than this.
 
MsB




seeksfemslave -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 5:46:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Zensee
PC thinking? As in being sensitive and polite enough not to use loaded, outmoded, racial labels? Z.

Heap Big Commander in Chief of the Red Eagles says that PC thinkng is now so over powering that one needs to phone PC central for a "speech check" before ever opening one's mouth

A curse on lily livered Liberals and other such weak kneed apologists who so partake of the advantages that the skills the Big  White Man has bequeathed them  but appear so to admire primitives and the under achievers in general.




CuriousLord -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 5:52:49 PM)

Oh dear Karana.  You read just what you want to, don't you?

My point is that maintaining martial power is important to maintaining safety.  For the US and for other countries.  I'm not saying that the US needs more military, or that it hasn't used it aggressively, or anything of that sort.  Seriously, you're putting words in my mouth and then responding to them.

That's just it, though, isn't it?  I make a comment that you can somehow convince yourself to misread and then go on some kind of rant about it like I'm trying to defend the US being in Iraq?!  What the hell?

Oh, and do you know what I really love?  You managed to tie these words you put into my mouth into yet MORE!
"These are the "socialist" questions.  And condemning people who dare to ask them as "pot-smoking hippies" is incredibly stupid."
Incase you didn't notice, I made many comments, including in the FIRST LINE of the OP that I was NOT talking about political socialism in my rant.  I wasn't calling people who are into socialism "pot-smoking hippies" as you DIRECTLY STATED.  But that doens't matter to you, does it?  I'm sure it fits together somehow in your head.



PS-  You know what?  It's been a long week.  At the core of my nature, I'm very intolerant to stupidity, yet I seem to be able to tolerate it more often when I have sleep.  But, for Heaven's sakes, there's a damn limit!




MsBearlee -> RE: Socialism (2/14/2008 5:54:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

A society should be an amplifier for the potiential of all the individuals in it, not an entity in its own right, and not just a scaffolding. A functional approach, rather than a dogmatic one. Given this angle, a lot of things become clear. Amplifying security is achieved in the same way that security always is: prevention, detection, and response. We prevent it by raising people out of the indignity that compels crime, and by other means that are more a matter of fine tuning. We detect it with police and so forth. We respond with consequences that deter the crime in others, while restoring the potential and dignity of the individual (and their contribution to upholding this amplifier of potential) through rehabilitation and such. We never entitle people; we amplify their potential, but it must still be actualized. We don't deprive them of sovereignty, autonomy, accountability and so forth. We don't impose a dogma or agenda, beyond amplifying and arbitrating.

I have a dream today... or, actually, just a thought... but it's one I like. 

<da pink parts are mine>
 
Okay...in my mind...the pink parts are a lot like the 'knee-jerk' mentality we (our government) uses to solve most problems.  It really doesn't work, does it?  The rest of your post has no connection to reality at all.
 
The rest of what you wrote sounds like poetry, or perhaps a song…delightfully melodic but, what does it say?  I think it sounds a lot like that dammed tune; “A Small World” that Disney plays and will drive people crazy when they hear it more than once.  Ugg  It’s damn dangerous cuz it goes NOWHERE!
 
MsB





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