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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:09:00 PM   
SugarMyChurro


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Status: offline 		About "the squalling brats"...

I think that some of us, myself a non-breeder, are merely sensitive to what we sacrifice collectively for the good of those who have bothered to breed and their UMs. We cannot and should not turn ourselves inside-out as a society for the good of the UMs, and yet this is a political tactic wielded like hammer by the political parties in power.

I have never begrudged anyone the safety net for however long they needed it. Those kinds of expenditures have never been the pig at the trough as have been the military and corporate welfare seekers. I know where the real waste has taken place and most of it has been in warmongering and propping up the already wealthy.

And I do want to educate our young and keep them healthy. But there are other goals in life equally worthy of our attention. To hear some people tell it, you'd think that UMs were the only reason to live this life.

We have culturally and politically stagnated as a nation and remained utterly unsophisticated because we have apparently become a nation of babysitters.

Personally, I never talk down to UMs because they are perfectly capable of rising to my level to speak to me.


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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:11:34 PM   
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At the core of my nature, I'm very intolerant to stupidity, yet I seem to be able to tolerate it more often when I have sleep.  But, for Heaven's sakes, there's a damn limit!


Oh, the humanity...!

Gee, did someone piss in your Wheaties or something?




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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:15:52 PM   
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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:18:19 PM   
ShaktiSama


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In case you didn't notice, I made many comments, including in the FIRST LINE of the OP that I was NOT talking about political socialism in my rant.  I wasn't calling people who are into socialism "pot-smoking hippies" as you DIRECTLY STATED.  But that doens't matter to you, does it?  I'm sure it fits together somehow in your head.


You know what?  Let's just directly quote what you did say, college boy.  And then you can back-pedal and say you didn't really mean any of it at your leisure.

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Socialists.  Be they "socialists" proper, hippies, people for tax-based services for the entire population, or that guy who works parttime at the 7-11 demanding the same rights and privledges as a rich business man.. they're the damn contradiction.  Not to mention abortionists, then murderers, then rapists, child molesters, etc.. but I've been able to keep my values despite them. 


Disingenuous disavowals aside, your position is made clear when you make a list that includes "socialists" proper with hippies.

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
In college today, we have plenty of socialists who want everything given to them while they go and smoke pot. 


Here's the line about smoking pot.  Any of this ringing a bell?

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
I'm just so tired of seeing Art majors and guys working at Pizza Hut.  It's not the poor people I'm mad at, but the people who don't do anything or spend their time with self-gratifying things.  Like the Art majors.. they don't do it because it'll heal anyone or produce any food, but because they think it's fun.  They want to spend all of their time playing.  Or, the guys who work at Pizza Hut who are just too lazy.  Or the frat boys who will consume their parents' resources in a drunken set of years, then drop out and live off social security/unemployment/other people/whatever.


Yes, artists are the cause of all social ills--those damn artsy fartsy parasites!  How DARE they think that anyone's life is improved more by a painting than by the rape and murder of a 16-year-old Iraqi girl!  We know how our tax dollars should be spent--DEFENSE DEFENSE WAR WAR WAR!

And yes, you're right, it's ridiculous for a working class person to believe that they should have equal rights under the law to a rich person.  Because serving pizza and mopping floors to bring home enough money to pay for a tiny place is a way of life that makes you inferior to being born the grandson of a famous murdering rum-runner like...I dunno...pick a Kennedy.

And being a janitor or a secretary--those are jobs that make you morally inferior to being the CEO of a corporation that produces nerve gas or nuclear weapons.  Right?

If you want to lose patience with someone's stupidity, I could make a few suggestions about where to start.  Suggestion number one:  try remembering what you say in your own posts.  K?

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:19:46 PM   
SugarMyChurro


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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:20:27 PM   
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The western expansion of the US was based on an outrageous theft of land.
Who will be the first to hand back that which is not rightfully theirs.?
Yes you Mr and Mrs average America.



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Thompson
seeks:
Most likely it will happen just about the time your lot give back what they have plundered.  I am not terribly well versed on the nuance of the British Empire but which part of the empire joined voluntarily?
thompson


The Empire was dissolved amicably about 50 years ago. On average it has not worked out too well.
Please wake up and when you do try to keep up.
Executive order number 4 is rescinded. To right wrongs people of spirit and fortitude are needed not jelly kneed apologists for useless not to say dangerous idealism.
I need those  who had the guts to travel around the world in a wooden boat, explore and be adventurous not those who can see no further than the non existant fraternity of man.

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:23:46 PM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		My apologies.  I shouldn't have been so rough on you.  Part of the problem is a legitimate misunderstanding. I'll address this first.

"Also, it's not about the political notion of "socialism" I'm ranting about but the reason that some people support socialist institutions."  (First line of the OP.)

Point being, I was upset at a bunch of people who happen to be "socialist" by the apparently loose definition I assigned it.  This doesn't mean "all socialists".  In the same way a school teacher might be upset at some students, but probably not all of them.

I can understand your misunderstanding up to this point.  Now, humoring your misunderstanding, still..
-How did you tie Iraq into this whole thing?
-Why are you making it sound like I'm out for wars and supporting the US's past invasions and such?

You made two stupid assuptions.
1.  That I was pissed at all socialists.
2.  That I support the random wars you can think of, such as Iraq.

Admittedly, I can see how you made the first one; while an objective reader could've told the difference, it still wasn't as clear as it could've been.  But how in Karana's name did you even justify the second one to yourself?

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:26:43 PM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		Now you're just out to aggrivate my distaste for stupid things.  =/

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:36:20 PM   
seeksfemslave


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Status: offline 		Speaking of artists
quote:

those damn artsy fartsy parasites

Whoever said this got something right

Executive order number 6: all artists must survive or not according to their own efforts.
Anyone offering them a subsidy will be forced to stare at a piece of "modern art" until they go insane. They will then be thrown into a blackberry bush  Or should I say a shrubbery of colour ?
I will ring PC central to find out.

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:41:03 PM   
MsBearlee


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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

My apologies.  I shouldn't have been so rough on you.  Part of the problem is a legitimate misunderstanding. I'll address this first.

"Also, it's not about the political notion of "socialism" I'm ranting about but the reason that some people support socialist institutions."  (First line of the OP.)

Point being, I was upset at a bunch of people who happen to be "socialist" by the apparently loose definition I assigned it.  [would that be kinda like your use of 'parse'?]  This doesn't mean "all socialists".  In the same way a school teacher might be upset at some students, but probably not all of them.  [OH...sorta like being upset at a bunch of students who happen to be gang-banging, but perhaps not all gang-bangers?  Uh huh...I believe I'm watching a back-peddler, here!]

I can understand your misunderstanding up to this point.  Now, humoring your misunderstanding, still..  [Dang, you admitedly make up your own loose definitions; how is it you feel you must humor folks to keep up with you, I wonder]

-How did you tie Iraq into this whole thing?
-Why are you making it sound like I'm out for wars and supporting the US's past invasions and such?  [cuz you label invasions as non-invasions, perhaps]
...
Admittedly, I can see how you made the first [stupid assuption]; while an objective reader could've told the difference, ...


Just how is that?  You seem to make things up, by your own words, even...as you go along!  Who can follow that kind of dialogue?
 
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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:42:25 PM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		Hah, yeah.

Admittedly, my form was broken and emotions actually got to me at the time of the post.  I made it in a rush so that it would go up before my sense returned.  The inclusion of artists is still partially deserved, though.

I mean, art can be good.  I love the guys who draw Family Guy (a popular cartoon, particularly in my age range).  The entertainment value that comes from those people may be worth those individuals' work, and I'm sure there's plenty of other instances like this.

Still, most (I think?) people who get a handful of different degrees- from History to Philosophy to Art to Theater, etc.- do so for the enjoyment of it, at the cost of tax payers, and to no practical ends.  They don't seem to realize that citizens pay for us to go to college; tutition alone doesn't support it.  Yet they have this sort of view that it's their God-given right to blow such resources on frivelous pursuits because they don't like work.

You have no idea how many Artsy majors I've met who think I balance thermodynamic equations instead of sleeping for fun.  As if I enjoyed it as they might enjoy going out into the park and painting the damn trees.

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:45:11 PM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		I spend all day reading science texts.  I think I take the sort of reading level I'm used to for granted.

It's not to brag or condescend or anything.  I just don't think I'm really able to- whether it's for lack of personal ability or possibility- to adequately express the thoughts I have in simple English.  Which is cool when I'm talking to my peers; many of them are pretty smart people.  I just realize how poorly it translates here.

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 6:55:06 PM   
seeksfemslave


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Status: offline 		Curious Lord: since I am in a mood to hand out a little punishment if you think you have high level linguistic skills....you are mistaken OK?
You and Termyn8tor make a good pair lol

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 7:00:25 PM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		It's alright, seeks.  I'm not interested in some kind of ego contest.

Let's just agree that people use language to different ends and that those with different ends may well use diiferent modes which are more suitable to their expression.

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 7:11:52 PM   
ShaktiSama


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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

I can understand your misunderstanding up to this point.  Now, humoring your misunderstanding, still..
-How did you tie Iraq into this whole thing?
-Why are you making it sound like I'm out for wars and supporting the US's past invasions and such?


Once a person steps up to the plate and vomits up a stew of childish American right-wing cliches, it really isn't much of a stretch to assume that he's swallowed more of them.

And quite honestly, I find all of your posts to be very much in keeping with standard American right-wing WASP male chest-beating from the 16-25 age group.  I have not heard a single original thought, statement or sentiment.  I am exposed to quite a large number of such people on a daily basis--I assure you, this is all very cliche, right down to the references to pot-smoking and hippies.

quote:

You made two stupid assuptions.
1.  That I was pissed at all socialists.
2.  That I support the random wars you can think of, such as Iraq.


I haven't made any "stupid" assumptions.  I have responded to your pointlessly martial rhetoric and pointed out that this sort of pseudo-reasoning has social and political consequences to the American people.

As for the rest of your nonsense--for someone who claims that he doesn't want to "brag" or "be condescending", you've failed miserably.

You've made a number of stupid assumptions.

1.  That you are the only person present with a background in science--I assure you, this is not the case. 
2.  That your lack of a proper foundation in ALL the liberal arts, including history, is not a serious handicap in understanding the world around you.
3.  That you personally, or soldiers in general, are more useful or necessary to society and its functioning than artists or people who make pizzas.
4.   That the rich are morally superior to the poor and are entitled to special treatment by the state.
5.   That your ill-informed opinions and prejudices, and the patterns of political and social behavior that result from them, do not lead to wars like the one taking place in Iraq.

and

6.  That you are addressing ANY intellectual inferiors in this thread.

It's number six that I find the most remarkable.  I can't decide whether to be amused or disturbed that someone who thinks he is so incredibly superior to others is so incredibly, incredibly mistaken.

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 7:19:26 PM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		You're still reading my words as you want to.  Defensively, trying to fit me into a group (say, "standard American right-wing WASP male chest-beating from the 16-25 age group") to make them easier to dismiss.

You know, I never said a thing about supporting the US's past wars nor good things about them.  I just said that countries- not just the US- need to be able to defend themselves in this world.  Something that should be obvious, but you've taken it so far.

There's one way I can address what you've said objectively without being very condescending.  And I think that'd make things worse, since you seem to really be into this labelling/trying-to-be superior thing.

So, yes; I support George Bush in all his efforts. I hate gay people, and I think we should invade Canada next.  I think you're stupid even though I'm failing freshman English.

Everything you wanted to hear without the need to twist your own perception to see it.  We both win.

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 7:34:04 PM   
ShaktiSama


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You're still reading my words as you want to. 


It has nothing to do with what I want.  I am reading your words as many other people on this thread have read them.  You are coming across like a poorly educated jejune campus Republican.

If you want to be read differently, try typing something other than "It's a pity you all don't understand me, but clearly it's only because you're not as smart as my fellow science majors at school."

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 7:41:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		NB... Art Majors and artists are not synonymous...did no one learn anything from watching 'Art School Confidential'?

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 7:41:55 PM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		Nothing to do with what you want?  Is this how prophets justify their so-called Gods making them paragons of morality and wisdom?  Shall I regard you as such?

You're focused on who I am and what I believe.  But you're telling me that I don't even know such things as well as you.  That you're the authority on me when I'm sure you don't even know my actual age (largely because I've never been honest about it).

Everything you're doing looks like you don't like something.  Something that I remind you of.  Something that you can use my as a scape goat for to pass off your aggressions on.  If you want to really see this- just look into that big rant you gave on the last page.  The things you said about Iraq.  The fact you called me a Republican and implied I have religious obligations.  Even if you were right- which you're aren't- you would've had no way of knowing.

You're working off your own prejustices.  The things you want to see.  The things that're easier for you to deal with.

When you reply to this, have you read it?  Do you get what I'm saying?  Did you honestly consider it?  Or are you going to pick out some obscure point to avoid the subject?  It's easier this way, isn't it?

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RE: Socialism - 2/14/2008 7:42:27 PM   
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