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RE: Transsexuals - 9/11/2005 8:25:49 PM   
CalliopePurple


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Status: offline 		Whatever happened to sissymaidlola? I miss his posts about gender because they were always more well-written than anything I could hope for.

I'm not quite transsexual. But then again, I'm not quite comfortable with my own biology, either. I'm just genderqueer, neither male nor female and I really don't give a rat's ass what people refer to me as. Sure, it'll say female on all legal documents just because I was born with XX chromosomes and I have all the right parts to be one, but that doesn't change the fact that, in my own mind, I'd rather be much closer to male.

On my more socially conscious days, I get annoyed at the standard two options for gender in forms to fill out. Anyone else feel the same frustration at pigeonholing by biology?

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/11/2005 8:48:36 PM   
Ojedieu


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ORIGINAL: transcontinental
Do you consider a pre-op transsexual to be their "biological gender" or the gender they identify as?

Do you consider a post-op transsexual to be their "biological gender" or the gender they identify as?

If you have a gender preference in a Dom/me or sub, do you avoid transsexual members of that gender?


I consider both pre-op and post-op transsexuals to be whatever gender their brain tells them they are.

I admit I would have trouble playing with a pre-op transsexual (my problem, not theirs) not due to the fact that they are trans, but just from the fact my eyes would be trying to tell me one thing and my brain another. Just confusing for me.

I don't understand your last question -- do you mean do I prefer men or women to be dominant vs. submissive? If so, then I really don't have a preference. I only sub to my husband, and I Domme others that I play with. I've learned a lot from both male and female Dom/mes and male and female subs.

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/11/2005 10:05:49 PM   
OMEGA2WEREWOLF


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ORIGINAL: transcontinental

I was curious as to how the people here, and in the general BDSM community, feel about transsexuals. So a list of questions

Do you consider a pre-op transsexual to be their "biological gender" or the gender they identify as?

Do you consider a post-op transsexual to be their "biological gender" or the gender they identify as?

If you have a gender preference in a Dom/me or sub, do you avoid transsexual members of that gender?


(edit: thank you for the suggestion LadyAngelika, I wrote this out too quickly and it was worded in a rather confusing way)


A pre-op transexual is whatever they are mentally wired for, in my opinion. The same holds true for a post-op transexual.

Being a bisexual Top/Dom I treat both males and females the same, and accept nothing less than high protocol D/s with an emphasis on S&M from either sex.

Either sex is "girlified" with the Mary Jane shoes and schoolgirl/Age Play outfits that I require all my playmates to wear, whether they sport penis or vagina...I can torture both with equal pleasure.

My main hurdle in life is that I require multiple partners to have my BDSM needs met.

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/12/2005 4:41:34 AM   
RumpusParable


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ORIGINAL: CalliopePurple
On my more socially conscious days, I get annoyed at the standard two options for gender in forms to fill out. Anyone else feel the same frustration at pigeonholing by biology?


while i understand the reasoning, it sometimes bothers me. i don't mind the 2-sex options, though i'm sure the rare intersex person feels discomfort, but when a place has the 2-gender options it's uncomfortable for me.

while female, i'm without gender... just a complete lack of either, zip. i've experienced short periods of being a "boy" or a "girl" a handful of times a few years back (that's how i even realized that my difference was a normal lack of gender, before those experiences i though everyone was like this but just melodramatic about their bodies and their connection/identifyin with them -not in a mean way, just confusion over it), but that's rare and neither gender is my normal state.

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/14/2005 10:35:13 PM   
MissDiandSirHugh


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Status: offline 		Just our 2bobs worth (2c) here as well we consider that the person is as they feel and at no time is it for us to judge otherwise not being doctors or know a thing about physlology so long as that person is open and honest in theire feelings as well as their desire then we treat them that way and through our ideas in this have become very close to a submissive who except in her work is a woman and a girl every day with complete backing from her partner includeing help with clothes and shoping for them just age is what has stoped complete gender change we would never consider this person in any other way but female same as any other we have spoken to

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/15/2005 3:30:51 PM   
onceburned


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ORIGINAL: transcontinental
Do you consider a pre-op transsexual to be their "biological gender" or the gender they identify as?


I think the phrase 'biological gender' is a hard thing to pin down. First, I think gender is more a mental status rather than a physical status. But even if we decided to look for physical markers of sex, what do we use? I am not up on the latest research but I believe there are brain structures (in or about the hypothalmus) which suggest transsexuality has a biological basis. So a male to female transsexual may have XY chromosomes, a penis and testicles... but also a brain which more closely resembles that of women.

quote:

Do you consider a post-op transsexual to be their "biological gender" or the gender they identify as?


Unless you want to insult a person, you treat them as they ask to be treated. As so many others here have said, I would respect the self-identity of anyone I met.

quote:

If you have a gender preference in a Dom/me or sub, do you avoid transsexual members of that gender?


I prefer my dommes to be female.
And I have never met a transwoman domme, as far as I know.

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/23/2005 7:52:04 PM   
sting516


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quote:

ORIGINAL: transcontinental

I was curious as to how the people here, and in the general BDSM community, feel about transsexuals. So a list of questions

Do you consider a pre-op transsexual to be their "biological gender" or the gender they identify as?

Do you consider a post-op transsexual to be their "biological gender" or the gender they identify as?

If you have a gender preference in a Dom/me or sub, do you avoid transsexual members of that gender?


(edit: thank you for the suggestion LadyAngelika, I wrote this out too quickly and it was worded in a rather confusing way)


i consider both pre op and post of transsexuals to be their born gender...that said, lately i've found pre op trans or shemales, quite attractive lately.

i neither seek nor avoid transsexuals, though i admit this is a recent thing for me...much earlier on, i thought it way too odd...if i found the right shemale though...it might be a fun ride.


sting

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/23/2005 8:41:16 PM   
stef


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Status: offline 		You might want to consider removing the word 'shemale' from your vocabulary if you ever hope to get that "fun ride" since most transsexuals find the term incredibly offensive.

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/24/2005 4:36:18 AM   
sting516


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Thanks for the tip...while i've run into that term a lot, it's been mostly online...and we know how things get skewed on the big, bad, Web.

sting

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/24/2005 9:54:17 PM   
Halifaxslave


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Status: offline 		Sorry, I am simply intollerant of people who put down transgender or switches. Have no time for such people.

I am a mainly straight crossdresser, played with guys a bit but no real turn on, however I would like to play with a hot looking TS who looks very female with a dick (like those seen in Transformation magazine). I've known two MTF and one FTM and they are fine people.

It's fine not to want to play with crossdressers (women are crossdressers more so then men if you are smart enough to know your fashion history), Transexualy, or switches. But some of the profile on collar me flatly puts one or more of these groups down and that is just plain wrong.

On the funny side, once had a Japanese room mate and we talked about MrLady lol.

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/24/2005 10:35:13 PM   
MstrssPassion


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quote:

TS who looks very female with a dick (like those seen in Transformation magazine)


You will find this to be a major hoax. This is where the term shemale applies. These gender bending persons that go on & off hormones & undergo major amounts of surgery are in it for the biz & the bucks.

Transsexuals (m2f) that are seriously undergoing transition are glad to be rid of their cock. Diminished size as well as not being able to become erect or have a erection for a long period is all side effects to HRT (hormone replacement therapy).

MstrssPassion

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/26/2005 5:03:07 PM   
NYMaster101


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Status: offline 		I've never been with a transsexual that I know of. I do beleive that some people are given the wrong body at birth, and a true tranny is the gender they identify with. However there seem to be some out there that call themselves transgendered, but are really confused about who they are.

I'm pretty open minded and am fairly sure I couuld have a relationship with a post-op. As for pre-op's I'm very much into breasts, and also not sure I could get past them having a penis. (I'm open minded, but stright.)

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/26/2005 5:53:02 PM   
Evanesce


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quote:

ORIGINAL: transcontinental

I was curious as to how the people here, and in the general BDSM community, feel about transsexuals. So a list of questions

Do you consider a pre-op transsexual to be their "biological gender" or the gender they identify as?

Do you consider a post-op transsexual to be their "biological gender" or the gender they identify as?

If you have a gender preference in a Dom/me or sub, do you avoid transsexual members of that gender?



I have a very dear friend who is transgendered. She is now post-op, but when we met several years ago, she was pre-op. I also have several acquaintances who are transgendered. All of these people are, every one of them, women. And I have never viewed any of them as anything BUT women. Neither has Master.

As far as gender preferences go, I would welcome a transgendered individual as a second slave in our home... probably before I would have a biological female, simply because I've found that my transgendered friends are much more stable, emotionally, than the majority of women I know. It would definitely mean less drama.

Denise
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RE: Transsexuals - 9/27/2005 7:07:35 AM   
night101owl


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ORIGINAL: sting516
if i found the right shemale though...it might be a fun ride.


"Shemale" is a term created by the sex industry to commodify and fetishize the bodies of transsexuals. The fact that you would not accept a transsexual's gender identity, but you do buy in to the sex industry's construct, suggests that you're not going to have a lot of luck making any real kind of connection with a person who is transsexual.

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/30/2005 6:06:56 AM   
MistressMelissa


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Status: offline 		TS or TG I have no issues with. Since I look for service slaves for a multi slave house I really have no issue with what may or may not be between ones legs. I do expect that person to be passable in the gender they identify with. I expect them to complete their electrolysis and take their hormones. Some are flighty enough without keeping to their meds. It's the sissy maids and the CD's and TV's that confuse me. Not my kink as they say. As for searching out a TG or TS for my house, I can see pro and cons. If they are passable I can see many benefits. Since so many don't understand them, I can offer them an understanding house to serve in. This I believe results in a high loyalty and/or a higher level of service. On the con side, some tend to be very flighty or drama queens which I have no time or patients for.

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/30/2005 8:06:03 AM   
sting516


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ORIGINAL: night101owl


quote:

ORIGINAL: sting516
if i found the right shemale though...it might be a fun ride.


"Shemale" is a term created by the sex industry to commodify and fetishize the bodies of transsexuals. The fact that you would not accept a transsexual's gender identity, but you do buy in to the sex industry's construct, suggests that you're not going to have a lot of luck making any real kind of connection with a person who is transsexual.



honestly, i'm not really looking for a full fledged relationship with a 'shemale'...more than anything it's a sexual curiosity...i do get curious about things, though i will say that the last thing i wished to do was insult anyone who felt that way...if my posts came off that way to anyone here, i greatly apologize.

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/30/2005 8:29:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sting516
if i found the right shemale though...it might be a fun ride.


quote:

ORIGINAL: night101owl

"Shemale" is a term created by the sex industry to commodify and fetishize the bodies of transsexuals. The fact that you would not accept a transsexual's gender identity, but you do buy in to the sex industry's construct, suggests that you're not going to have a lot of luck making any real kind of connection with a person who is transsexual.


quote:

ORIGINAL: sting516
honestly, i'm not really looking for a full fledged relationship with a 'shemale'...more than anything it's a sexual curiosity...i do get curious about things, though i will say that the last thing i wished to do was insult anyone who felt that way...if my posts came off that way to anyone here, i greatly apologize.

sting


I think you need to take a step back and try putting yourself in the other person's skin. What is coming across is you saying "I'd fool around with a transexual but I wouldn't want a relationship with her." Do you have any idea of how insulting that seems?

Also, once I'm told that a word is offensive to people, I try to avoid using it in the future. Putting quotes around it doesn't make it a bit less offensive.

< Message edited by JohnWarren -- 9/30/2005 8:31:38 AM >

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/30/2005 8:38:50 AM   
sting516


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Status: offline 		oh please...i apologized if i insulted anyone, or did you skip that part of the post...and how dare i have sexual thoughts about something without it wanting to be a relationship....did i wander into the PC forums?

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/30/2005 10:14:13 AM   
night101owl


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Status: offline 		There's nothing wrong with wanting just a sexual connection with someone, without a relationship, but when you seek that sexual connection strictly because of a gender/racial/(dis)ability/etc. characteristic, that's a little bit dehumanizing. When you couple that with a blanket statement of disrespect (that you would deny/ignore the person's gender identity, or that you would persist in using language that you know is disrespectful), then it is REALLY dehumanizing.

Example: X, a white woman, is interested in having sex with a black man, because she says that she thinks a n----- would give her a wild ride.

If it makes me too "P.C." to say there's something really fucked up with that approach, then so be it, but I think it's wrong to pursue sex without some modicum of basic human respect for other participants. (I realize that the n-word carries a whole lot more social baggage and hostility than "she-male" does, but I used it because are more likely to recognize how that kind of word in that kind of context is messed up.)

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RE: Transsexuals - 9/30/2005 10:50:42 AM   
sting516


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Status: offline 		nightowl,

guess what...everyone has preferences...all i did was relate a type of person i've found attractive of late...no different than having a preference for blondes, big boobs, or blondes with big boobs for that matter...

it would seem that you too missed the apology if anyone was offended...preferring instead to jump on John Warren's bandwagon...i won't apologize for finding a shemale attractive...and yes...that's what i'm calling them because as was also mentioned earlier in the thread...there is a subset out there that wouldn't at all be offended by what i'm saying...in fact they'd probably profit from it...if i was to pursue this attracton, that would be where i'd seek it out...just as i did submission when i first got started, so that no feelings would be hurt by experimentation.



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