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RE: Master who lies and cheats - 2/11/2008 2:39:44 PM   
justdavid


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I agree with Charlotte and others who have expressed similar sentiments.

Whenever you start thinking this way of life has special values and regular life rules are changed or no longer applicable then you are in danger of disappointment and delusion.

Trust is something you either have or you do not. We can all have our opinion of the expectations of people when we have never met them but in the end our brain does not run on logic alone so if your feel you cannot trust him then you cannot trust him. It is that simple.


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RE: Master who lies and cheats - 2/11/2008 3:26:59 PM   
onlyforhim6


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Harmoni just be glad that you didn't go thru what i went thru.  I met a dom from MD on here we went on and off for about a year with the last 5 months steady.  Not only did he lie to me, ask me for money, involve my kids and tell me that he wanted to move in together, I found out that he was talking to another submissive who he met on here in November.  He flew her to his house, tried and i say TRIED to have sex with her, since that part of his anatomy doesn't work too well, all so he could get her pregnant. He was with me over the holidays and told her he was in Boston.  He called her from my house and was telling her that he wanted to marry her also.  He asked us both to go on the same ride to Sturgis in August, lol. Well I found out about her, called her and told her about me.  She dumped him and I dumped him and now I am trying to get back some of my money. If I could I would make a thread warning all the subs about him. He lives in Rockville and is 48, balding with blue eyes and no facial hair.  He is totally a pathelogical liar. Totally selfish and self centered.  Sorry to go on about this in your thread, but I wanted to get it out about him in some form. Good luck Harmoni  :)

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RE: Master who lies and cheats - 2/11/2008 5:10:38 PM   
greenearth21


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I think people should try to be more realistic in the expectations.  I am not claiming that the op was not realistic, and I'm not saying that online relatinships arent worth a hoot either.  It all varies from person to person to person etc.  I am sorry to hear that you were under the assumption that you were in an exclusive relationship yet found out the hard way that that was not the case :(.  I tend to be very big on knowing what the "deal" is with whatever relationship I have with someone because it helps clear up the boundaries for me.
I would hate to say that don't consider any "relationship" or any "interest" that you find online anythign more than a quick fix for the moment but some people are more into the fantasy than others.  I hope you do not have to go through the same thing again...i'm sure it sucks.

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RE: Master who lies and cheats - 2/11/2008 9:23:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OmegaG

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ORIGINAL: Vanatru

harmoni,
it probably would help if you dropped the idea of your submission being what's special about you and acknowledge that you want the guy to want you because you (as an individual) are special and should be appreciated and loved for your uniqueness. Just as (I'd hope) you valued and wanted the guy because he meant everything to you, and not just for the roles he can fill for you.


You mean I can't wrap up my submission and give it to him for Valentine's Day?


Oh, I'm going to.
In a box.
A little tiny box...
; )

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RE: Master who lies and cheats - 2/11/2008 10:05:24 PM   
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Edited.

< Message edited by glitterama -- 2/11/2008 10:09:31 PM >

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RE: Master who lies and cheats - 2/12/2008 4:36:40 AM   
BlackPhx


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Humm. I have read through most of the posts and thought really hard about my personal experieriences and the results.

First things first an online relationship is "real" as any other relationship. Granted the communications are not face to face and lose a lot of the nuances of body language which can speak volumes on a physical level. But you are still dealing with real live people and you get a chance to get to know them without being prejudged by appearances.

Second from my experiences I have had stunning stunning successes in online dating and abysmal failures. You can seduce a woman with words alone. I noted a dispairing number of people discounting online relationships as impossible or not worth the effort as it is filled with fakers and flakes. Unfortunately there are genuine and real people out there too and while it may take time to weed out the fakers and flakes you can and will find rewarding relationships if you are willing to put the work into it.

I even consider one of my first success where others would think it was a failure. I had one sub a very special woman who I had come visit me. Now she lied to me about her appearance and was a bit more of a slave then I was expecting by bout 200 pounds extra. But, I can understand the lie....sometime truth can kill a relationship before you can get a chance to show the beauty you have within. I could have been angry about the deception and I could have rejected her for it. She even had multiple cyber partners during the courtship which she tried to hide from me. But, I did not do either. I remembered the words she wrote me and they had passion and desire within that were real even if they were shared with others and she deserved a chance. She spent a week with me I kept her in a hotel where I kept her in chains 24/7 even when we went out to eat. I loved her and I beat her and she served me with pain and adoration. She wrote me poetry and I returned her affections with care and attention. She was special and I loved her with all my heart but at the time I was not independent and she had medical problems beyond my means to take care of. I was not two faced, I was "real" through the entire encounter. I wanted a long term relationship but was not prepared finacially to excise these desires with her as a sole income provider. Despite the lies she told, despite the cybering she was not a faker or a flake, she was a vulnerable human being starved for attention, afraid of rejection, and scared of losing any opportunity presented that gave her hope of being loved and cherished. I think if I took the attitude most do those cherished memories of her would never have happened and that magical week would never have happened.

People do lie and they do cheat. Some do because they have no care for others feelings and needs and others do it to protect thier hopes, dreams, and desires from the harsh reality of the cruel judgement of others. And sometime they do both because of fear. But when we reject them because we selfishly hold them to higher standards then we hold ourselves then we have to ask if we deserve any chance to happiness and concern for our feelings as well. Before you dump someone look at you own actions measure your own cruelty and selfishness and ask if you really care about them more then youself and should you expect more from them then we do ourselves.

Some say relationships are based on trust, respect, and honesty. This is a BIG LIE. All relationships are based in a selfish desire to have needs fulfilled that we can not fulfill ourselves. In good relationships both parties have thier needs mutually fulfilled by each other actions and each person takes due care to make sure his partner is satisfied and happy and selflessly dedicates them selves to this endevour. When this happens trust and respect follows as they have been earned.

If you have any chance at happiness you must risk your emotions, you must get attached and involved and you must be willing to work and put others above your self no matter what your title (Dominant/Master/Submissive/Slave/Switch/etc) otherwise you will not even have a chance at a rewarding or fulfilling relationship.

No human deserves or is entitled to happiness, No human deserves or is entitled to respect, No human deserves or is entitled to trust. We must work for these things, we must earn these things and they will not and can not be given.
The only things we can hope to expect or be entitled to is courtesy and a chance to earn respect, trust and happiness but always bear in mind you have to earn it as much as they. And too often doms, subs, masters and slave do not even offer courtesy and more importantly the chance we should be able to expect or hope for.


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RE: Master who lies and cheats - 2/12/2008 8:53:38 AM   
SirMIkeSD


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You have not even meet this person yet and you are having problems with him "playing on-line" On-line is not real I don't care how you want to look at it, it's just not real until you have meet in person. (on-line does have it's place after meeting someone when you can not see each other due to distance or what ever) Had you meet with him and you both agreed no more on-line play time, that would be different.  In my thinking until you have meet in person it's not real and there is a very good chance that you will never meet and make it real there are a lot of time wasters out there.  Until I actually meet with someone after taking on-line, I set no expectations for them.  As you well know anyone and be anyone on-line and until I meet them in person I take everything with a grain of salt.

Mike

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RE: Master who lies and cheats - 2/12/2008 1:25:38 PM   
embersMaster


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Relationships are relationships.  Whether we choose the whip or the vanilla.  There are no hard and fast rules as to what is allowed and what is not, it is all a negotiation.  When the internet was new, I was dating a girl that found it really erotic for me to chat with other women, we even moved it into part of our sexual play.  Next, I dated a girl that felt the exact opposite.  Both relationships included kinky play.  The rules are as you and your partner negotiate. 

If something is not ok with you, then you must speak up (respectfully of course - hehe), but you cannot assume that because you feel one way, he feels the same way.  Life does not work that way.  We set limits, both hard and soft and then we hold each other accountable.  If you did not set limits up front, you cannot hold him accountable to those limits now. 

All of this being said, the guy does seem kind of an ass.  Choose better next time.

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RE: Master who lies and cheats - 2/12/2008 6:29:19 PM   
bustedinca


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i agree. if a man will lie and cheat, then he is not worthy of my time and affections. hardly a Dom at all, but just another liar and cheater.

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RE: Master who lies and cheats - 2/12/2008 6:42:25 PM   
chickpea


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I think you were submitting to a fantasy Dom that he created in your mind with all his lies.  A real Dom is made of honor.  Whatever he says and does, he can back it up over and over again in real life.  This allows the tons and tons of trust needed for D/S.  If he's lying and cheating, basically he is toying with you and has no respect for you as an individual.  Unless you don't value yourself and would like to ruin your life and get hurt, you need to cut ties off with him.

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