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ORIGINAL: Rogue86

My understanding of Shibari, when practiced outside of Japan, is that it follows a specific system of knots and ties mastered there, and using hemp rope.  At best, most of what we see in the US is probably more like 'shibari-style' rope bondage - beautiful and functional as it may be.

Rogue86

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ORIGINAL: Skully7000
if a person learned Shibari in japan but is over in the states doing a Demo(which i have luckily seen a few times) is it not considered Shibari, just becuase its not done in Japan?

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to the OP: also in some common practice if someone says "would you like me to do some Shibari On you"  they are quite often refering to doing the asthetics Non binding or minimally binding rope work (i've heard it called Rope oragami as well) where the person is not restricted in anyway they just have some rope decoration, or a rope bra or something for a dom to grab onto.

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ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

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ORIGINAL: Skully7000
if a person learned Shibari in japan but is over in the states doing a Demo(which i have luckily seen a few times) is it not considered Shibari, just becuase its not done in Japan?

Even many people who learned shibari in Japan, for good reasons adapt what they've learned there to some extent. Many techniques are developped for 45kg, 20yo japanese girls and not for 80kg, 45yo caucasian women.
That doesn't detract from the bondage fun at all, but it's not exactly shibari either.

While I get what you are saying the question becomes "how much liberty can they take on traditional Shibari before it is no longer Shibari" 
I relate it to martial arts... how much style can you put to a Karate Chop before it becomes a tae-kwon-do open hand strike, or a Sumo push, ect ect.

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to the OP: also in some common practice if someone says "would you like me to do some Shibari On you"  they are quite often refering to doing the asthetics Non binding or minimally binding rope work (i've heard it called Rope oragami as well) where the person is not restricted in anyway they just have some rope decoration, or a rope bra or something for a dom to grab onto.

Then those people didn't quite get shibari.

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ORIGINAL: Skully7000
While I get what you are saying the question becomes "how much liberty can they take on traditional Shibari before it is no longer Shibari" 
I relate it to martial arts... how much style can you put to a Karate Chop before it becomes a tae-kwon-do open hand strike, or a Sumo push, ect ect.

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I also agree here I only mention it because as much as many of us hate to admit it we live in a society were common definition sometimes trumps True Definition. so while i'm not suggesting to adjust your definitions it helps to be aware of what other people are using as theres.