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ORIGINAL: wkdshadow

12 gauge shells don't use brass generally outside of the rim and primer, the shell modern shell is plastic, old shells are paper. There are brass cases for 12 gauges, but they're pretty rare. If they're firing one ounce slugs out of that thing, the difference inbetween brass and plastic is moot point anyway.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: Muttling

The AA-12 is a tremendously good combat shot gun, but it remains just that.....a combat shotgun.  The M16's and M4s have three times the range along with a FAR superior ammo capacity per soldier.     Then you go to the M-14's and the sniper weapons such as the M-21 or M-24 and you get 5 fold or more increased ranges along with far superior ammo capacity.

It's a good weapon, but a specialists weapon and one that is better suited to military police forces than regular combat units.    The combat shotgun replaces the submachine gun in the Korean War.   It won't be replacing the assault rifle.

I would have thought that anyone would find it obvious that this weapon was being developed for OOTW.

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That said, when you talk OOTW you have to think less than lethal as well as lethal. 

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ORIGINAL: StormsSlave

I want one.  Yes, I know, Jefff is in line first, but I'm second.  I'll fight you for it.

I think this would be an OUTSTANDING home defense weapon.  My current .12 gauge is a brilliant little Mossberg, but the kick is enough that a short little chick like me can't put slugs through it.  This, I could fire down the stairs some buck shot, a slug, some buck shot, and a slug.  It would be a real bad damn day for someone. 

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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That said, when you talk OOTW you have to think less than lethal as well as lethal. 

No.... you don't.  (Of course I'm using the acronym in its euphemistic sense).

And BTW, the delivery system for many of the Less Lethal  projectiles, such as the Lightfields, the Wasp, Un-gun, and so forth, is 12 ga.

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  The combat shotgun is THE most lethal weapon ever concieved and it gives no consideration to less than lethal force.   It is a close quarters combat annihalator (sp?), even when firing bird shot or rock salt.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: wkdshadow

12 gauge shells don't use brass generally outside of the rim and primer, the shell modern shell is plastic, old shells are paper. There are brass cases for 12 gauges, but they're pretty rare. If they're firing one ounce slugs out of that thing, the difference inbetween brass and plastic is moot point anyway.

Errrrmmm.... that isn't what 'high brass' and 'low brass' are referring to.... it is an old fashioned term referring to increased powder charges.

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The ONLY reason to put a slug in a shotgun is for penetration.    If you have a target that has taken cover then you need a slug.    Otherwise, you're better off with double ought buck.   One hit is from a 12 gage is like 9 hits from a .38 or 9mm.

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If you live in a home or apartment where having rounds go through walls could kill innocents, then go with No. 6 bird shot.   The short ranges (less than 20 ft) direct impact is the same as buck shot but you won't penetrate a wall and won't risk hitting anyone other than your target.

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FR
The three most overrated things in America.
Teenage pussy
Mack trucks
Automatic weapons
All three try to make up for a lack of talent with an overabundance of enthusiasm.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: Muttling
Now days, the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon or "SAW" is the largest machine gun that is carried by infantry and it is a 5.56 mm.

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There is one problem with the low recoil claim made in that video, and it was not brought up by anyone that claimed to either be in the business or is serving/has served in the military. All of the ammunition that is shown being fired through the weapon is "low brass" ammunition which is low recoil in its own desiign. I want to see how little recoil there is using "high brass" ammunition, which is what the military would use in it.

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I am not sure what you mean by "low brass vs.high brass" ammo.  If you are referring to full brass cartridges vs. paper or plastic casings I am unclear as to how that would affect recoil as the powder charge would be the same in either.
When I was in the service we were issued full brass shotgun shells in the tropics because the paper ones had a tendency to swell up and not extract.  I would expect that by now the plastic ones are pretty moisture proof.
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FR

...pardon my ignorance, but what do the acronyms OOTW and CONUS mean?

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The brass at the bottom of the newer plastic cartridges determines how much powder is in each cartridge. Meaning the high brass cartridges have two to three times the powder charge of a low brass cartridge.

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FR

...pardon my ignorance, but what do the acronyms OOTW and CONUS mean?

Operations Other Than War(fare) would include using the military to go door to door and extract recaltricant insurgents to face interrogation, tribunals, or whatever...and one would hope that would never be used inside the CONtinental United States.

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Did any of you guys check out the Mythbusters episode a couple weeks ago, where they confirmed you can indeed saw down a tree with a machine gun? Now THAT's a peice of ordinance I'd love to try out! (The minigun... not Kari Byron... well, on second thought...)