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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/17/2008 6:06:19 AM   
thetammyjo


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slaveboyforyou, I noticed that a lot of your reasons and examples for not liking the Clintons are based on your own political philosophy as were your statements about professors.

A person with a different philosophy would have a different take on all the examples you used.

If you like doing your own research can you give me some examples that aren't politically biased?

I think a lot of your examples are really just a play out of your fears and political philosophy. That's ok when one is voting but when one is arguing or attempting to make a case for or against a person/topic shouldn't the evidence used be more objective?

For example, the issues of her "being against the 2nd Amendment" -- what exactly is your evidence for that? Has she voted to write a constitutional amendment to get rid of that -- that is the only way to change the constitution with another amendment.

Or her vote for the war? How is she different than many others in the Senate? How was Clinton's presidential policies toward the middle east that different or similar to those before and after?

Racism? If one is judged by whose one's political allies are, shouldn't we condemn all political figures then especially if you open the door to any political philosophy? What about past behavior of family members, should that be considered? Is anyone then truly clean enough for your vote?

As for socialized medicine and you being told what to do.... are you really that wealthy now that no one tells you what to do?

Your reasons for voting are your own but if you are going to convince others you may need stronger more objective evidence.

I have no desire to tell someone else how to vote especially on a bloody website about kink. But I do have a responsibility as a citizen to ask others who feel that need to use strong evidence or fail in their attempts to persuade others.


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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/17/2008 6:11:36 AM   
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Hello PsyVamp,
That's exactly the sort of thing I,m looking for. As small as possible to!

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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/17/2008 6:48:51 AM   
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LOL Mom and Dad never pushed or poopooed any ideas--although in those days, the options weren't as many as they are today--
 
I dreamed of the ideal wedding, and each walk down the aisle, had exactly that, I also had the perfect divorce. Then I chose to have My UM via AI as the clock was ticking and I really wanted one--that I did and it was for Me a fulfillment of a place to give the depth of My soul--what I then came to realize that I wanted most though was a solid "relationship"--that can be had with or without marriage--yet I do believe that had I not had those brief experiences, I would not have defined what I am today.
 
So next time, its going to be the perfect collaring!

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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/17/2008 10:55:11 AM   
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I had a sort of dysfunctional family history, so I actually hated/was indifferent to marriage. I spent my time as a young girl dreaming of being a princess in a giant castle with plenty of color cordinated slaves for each room.. still do to this day.
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ORIGINAL: Lashra

My questions are this: When you were younger did you day dream about the perfect wedding? or like me did you daydream about a career and a home? Also do you think we push the idea of marriage and children a bit to much on our children, girls in particular?

~Lashra


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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/18/2008 6:39:23 AM   
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quote:

slaveboyforyou, I noticed that a lot of your reasons and examples for not liking the Clintons are based on your own political philosophy as were your statements about professors.

A person with a different philosophy would have a different take on all the examples you used.

If you like doing your own research can you give me some examples that aren't politically biased?


Of course my opinion of the Clintons is shaped by my political philosophy.  A person's political philosophy is always biased.  I am well aware that a person with another philosophy would disagree with me, but that doesn't make me wrong.  I am not writing a paper or trying to convince anyone of anything.  I commented on something you said about Hillary Clinton making a good president. 

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I think a lot of your examples are really just a play out of your fears and political philosophy. That's ok when one is voting but when one is arguing or attempting to make a case for or against a person/topic shouldn't the evidence used be more objective?


Again, I am not writing a paper.  I am speaking in a informal setting in the forums.  It's akin to sitting in a bar and saying something when I overhear a conversation.  So, no I don't need to be objective at all.

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For example, the issues of her "being against the 2nd Amendment" -- what exactly is your evidence for that? Has she voted to write a constitutional amendment to get rid of that -- that is the only way to change the constitution with another amendment.


It's well known that she is a supporter of strict gun control.  She was at the "million mom march" and supported her husbands efforts to get the assault weapons ban passed.  She voted to extend the ban when it came up for renewal.  Our government does not follow the Constitution the way they are supposed to, and they circumvent it all the time.  A perfectly good example would be education.  The Federal government is not authorized by the Constitution to be involved in education.  But they do, and they use financial blackmail to get states into line.  Education falls under the authority of the states, and that is expressely layed out in the 10th Amendment.   

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Or her vote for the war? How is she different than many others in the Senate? How was Clinton's presidential policies toward the middle east that different or similar to those before and after?


She's not different from many congressmen and women that are trying to backpedal.  I don't like any of them either.  But, she is the one running for President.  She tries to paint herself as someone that is against the war, and wants to stop it.  The Democrats were given control back over Congress for that very reason.  They could have halted funding, and stopped the war almost immediately.  Of course, they were cowards and they did nothing. 

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Racism? If one is judged by whose one's political allies are, shouldn't we condemn all political figures then especially if you open the door to any political philosophy? What about past behavior of family members, should that be considered? Is anyone then truly clean enough for your vote?
 

I didn't call him a racist.  I used Faubus as an example of the kind of politics that Clinton played while in the Governor's mansion in Arkansas.  Entire books have been written on that subject, so I won't go into it here.  I don't have the time. 

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As for socialized medicine and you being told what to do.... are you really that wealthy now that no one tells you what to do? 


The government tell me and you what to do all the time, and it shouldn't be allowed to.  Government's role is not to be a nanny for all of us.  Just because the government tells me what to do now, doesn't mean I should readily give them more say so over my private life.  The federal government controls too much of our lives, and they will continue to increase their power over us if we don't stop them.   

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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/18/2008 8:13:54 AM   
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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/18/2008 10:28:26 AM   
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slaveboyforyou, I just want to say that you have very interesting opinions and that you've been very good about presenting them without name calling or belittling questions. With is a step up on most forums.

Historically speaking I can only say that I think often ideals for politicians do not always reflect the most positive or strongest leaders of any race, sex, gender, religion or nationality.

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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/19/2008 4:20:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aidan

What I do think a lot about are kids. One of my favorite thought experiments is thinking about a son or daughter, raising them, teaching them, loving them. I've always wanted to be the father that I never got. But in those daydreams, there's rarely, if ever, a maternal figure. It's always me and the kid. I guess that comes from being the product of a single parent.

I wouldn't want to subject my children to that, though. I grew up without my dad, and I'll be goddamned if my future offspring go without a mother.



aidan,
I grew up without a father too so can genuinely relate.  The stepfathers I had along the way would hardly count and in the case of at least one, I'd have been much better off without him having ever been in my life. 
 
I was scared to death of having UM's, for fear of putting them through a divorce.  That's in a large part why my first wasn't born until I was 39.  The problem is though, there really are worse things than a divorce, which I never realized until I saw the fear in my kids eyes as they ran away one night when their mom came home and started unloading her rage over other things at me.  That's when I knew it was time to leave; as much for my own sake as for theirs! 
 
Things happen over time that one never can predict.  The woman I married, had children with, ultimately becoming my Mistress and I her sub, eventually evolved into another woman and who is not the same woman I eventually divorced.  Who that woman is, I have no idea; perhaps some alternate reality timeline that happened to come true.  It certainly wasn't the reality I was expecting or working towards.  My point being, you have absolutely no control over what the mother of your children will eventually become.  She may try to "out" you as mine did during our divorce to the court psych in an attempt to limit your access to your children.  Fortunuately for me, what she tried didn't work, but it nearly did!  I had to fight very hard to keep what I could of the time I originally negotiated to have with my kids when I was finally able to get free of her and move into my own place.
 
At the rate things are going, before long, neither of my UM's will have much desire to continue to live with or see their mother any longer than they have to.  She's doing a fine job of alienating them all on her own.
 
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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/19/2008 4:23:27 PM   
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To answer your question, I daydreamed about having all of it.  I'm old enough to know that daydreams don't often make good reality though

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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/19/2008 4:28:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHathor
So next time, its going to be the perfect collaring!


LOL!  Good one Lady Hathor!  For some, a collar has much more meaning than a wedding band!
 
Question now is, what would would your perfect collaring ceremony look like for you?
 
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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/19/2008 4:39:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave

 
I was scared to death of having UM's, for fear of putting them through a divorce. 




Ah, yes...  A great fear of mine.  The last thing I ever want to do is turn into my Mother.  Or worse, having my Owner turn into my Mother.

I just thank God my Dad won our divorce.  Those were bad, bad times.

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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/19/2008 6:06:43 PM   
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Another thought to throw out into the ring:

Holly and I have been together as a couple for almost 9 years, I proposed to her almost exactly 8 years ago (as of around midnight tonight), and we moved in together on Aug 10th of 2000.  As far as we're concerned, since we can't marry legally, we've been 'married' since the day we picked up our apartment keys and started moving things into our apartment.  At this point, we've been together far longer than a good number of the marriages that our classmates from high school have had, so ... we're obviously doing something right. 

If one of us were male instead of both of us being female, we'd already be common-law wed (I think - I'm fairly certain that it's 7 years in Indiana)... which would be fine by us - less paperwork and ceremony lol  For us, living together is enough most of the time, although I'd like to be able to be completely open and honest about our relationship - but that's not going to happen any time soon. 

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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/20/2008 10:24:10 PM   
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I almost got married once before, and that was because the woman I was in love with and serving was having troubles staying in the US after her student visa expired. Then she won the immigration lottery, and she didn't make an issue of it again.

So, no, I've never really given all that much thought to marriage. To me, a marriage tends to be a relationship that seems to need a sense of equality and complete give and take between both partners. I have a hard time with that because I like putting most of the responsibilities of a relationship's needs on me and doing everything for her. Yeah, I know that some femdom relationships have succeeded in marriage, but I've never really seen anything like that on the horizon for me, so I've kind of just stopped looking for it. For some reason, I have this strange feeling that if I ever get married, it will be to a Mistress's female slave (as that almost happened once to me in the past).


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RE: Views on Marriage - 2/21/2008 5:53:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I almost got married once before, and that was because the woman I was in love with and serving was having troubles staying in the US after her student visa expired. Then she won the immigration lottery, and she didn't make an issue of it again.

So, no, I've never really given all that much thought to marriage. To me, a marriage tends to be a relationship that seems to need a sense of equality and complete give and take between both partners. I have a hard time with that because I like putting most of the responsibilities of a relationship's needs on me and doing everything for her. Yeah, I know that some femdom relationships have succeeded in marriage, but I've never really seen anything like that on the horizon for me, so I've kind of just stopped looking for it. For some reason, I have this strange feeling that if I ever get married, it will be to a Mistress's female slave (as that almost happened once to me in the past).



This actually goes in line with my own thoughts.

I have a husband. We used to scene but frankly found we didn't have indeed in common in terms of kinks and fetishes and that it interfered with the partnership dynamic we both needed and wanted in a marriage.

I have a slave. I would never marry him even if I could because I believe that would automatically change our dynamic. I would, however, love to find a way to protect Fox legally and that's something we'll be working on when/if I get a job and we move. That might very well affect the dynamic too though we want to write in legal protections so that if our Ds/Ms dynamics fails, Tom and I buy him out of his share of the house and he must move out.

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RE: Views on Marriage - 3/6/2008 12:06:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra
My questions are this: When you were younger did you day dream about the perfect wedding?

I sometimes thought about what a wedding would be like, but the idea never stayed interesting for very long. 

or like me did you daydream about a career and a home?

I daydreamed about travel and education and creating new stories.

Also do you think we push the idea of marriage and children a bit to much on our children, girls in particular?

~Lashra

Well, the institution of marriage is a very high cultural idea. However, the communication skills, responsibility levels and financial investment are often forgotten in the fantasy planning stage of a relationship.



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