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Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 4:38:04 AM

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I do not intend this post to be a bash, it is a learning for Me and I hope others--

My questions are:

When did this become a track in BDSM?

What is the attraction?

and is the fact that this is a growing fetish among the young signalling a dangerous direction for WIITWD.

???

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 4:43:19 AM

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Please explain I have no idea what your refering to.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 4:52:43 AM

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Hi

Well to get at the blood one need to puncture or cut so vampirism ties nicely into the knife and needle play fetishes. Blood drinking can also very easy be made into a dominance and submission act. Someone offering up their blood as service for example, as a show of submission or giving somone their blood to sort of mark them as a way to show dominance.

The attraction will vary from person to person. Personally i find vampirism very sexy, it have a very powerful as well as a very dark and sensual thing going. i guess it is the same as asking what is the attraction of anal sex, of lifestyle BDSM or for that matter of being a contender on Big Brother, there are lots of things in all possible things one can do that is attractive for the pepole that do it. For me i am interested in it becouse of the mood it sets, and becouse of it being very erotic. i have however not practiced this yet, but it is a thing i want to do at one point in the future.

You also have psy vampirism, where one feed on another's energy. This follow the same lines, and can be made into a very erotic, sexual, and very dominance and submission act. You also have sexual vampirism, many different variants but i am guessing you are looking at the blood version here.

As for it being dangerous, it is no more dangerous that other knife play, it should of course only be done between partners that trust one another, but when done inside a relationship i do not see that this is more dangerous then other things.

i wish you well

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 4:54:28 AM

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Lady Hathor,i suppose it is what it is just like my gag fetish is what it is.We are older obviously so there is not a pressing need to have someone sink their canines into my neck or cut me with a knife or razor to quench their thirst.I don't care for the practice whatsoever but to each their own.I guess the vampire conspirorists were right...the stake in the heart doesn't work and the spirit of Bela Lugosi lives on.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 4:57:38 AM

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Blood play is a fetish in itself and has a long history, doesn't particularly float My boat being an ex-nurse type its just another body fluid issue. It is present in other forms of play to minor degrees, needles and cutting and even harder impact play.

Vampirism is an extention of this, sure it has inherent health risks.... just like the exchange of any body fluid carrys risk. For some that risk is understood and accepted, for others it is understood and avoided.

When you look at the whole Mythos of the Vampire it is no surprise that a number of people are drawn to it..... both from the occult focus on the power of blood AND the very image of the Mythalogical vampire.... Ol' Count Alucard would be many girls fantasy Dom, with His cold cruelty, commanding look, sense of style, grace and power.

It isn't a new thing, maybe the whole buffy and angle fad raised the profile of it a bit and drew more people too it, also the recent Goth fad is rather predisposed to being drawn by that kind of thing.

And there IS a feral pleasure to be had from sinking ones teeth into a pretty neck (on both sides, My girl 'melts' anytime I do so) I just don't do the bloodsucking 'vamp' thang... but it is certainly understandable.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 4:59:14 AM

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nephandi: can one transmit Aids or any other blood based or immune deficiency diseases in the manner?

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 5:06:37 AM

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If you intend to cut someone, why let the blood go to waste?

I had a partner with whom I had been extremely intimate over a number of years, long enough so that enormous trust existed between us. One night we did a cutting while she was bound and I put my mouth over the wound and sucked it, sort of like a hickey, drawing blood from it. We'd go on to other things and every time it began to bleed, I would suck at it again. The pain and the erotic elements blended well together.

Later we opened the wound up yet again, purposefully to disinfect it properly. Within a month or so it healed with no scar as I had used a scalpel to make the original cutting and we were careful to keep the wound clean and sealed over with bandages.

A variation on this idea occurred later when we used a syringe to draw about 7 cc of blood from her arm. I put the blood into a small, yet very elegant glass and drank it while she kneeled at my feet. Then we tongue kissed for a long time and I shared her blood-taste with her. That was also very heady.

Short of maiming or worse, this kind of blood sharing can be powerfully bonding and enormously erotic. A kind of sacrifice of blood occurs between the slave and her master and it is as if she is saying with entire being: "I give my blood, my life, to you, Master."

That was 20 years ago, BTW. So this is not new.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 5:11:40 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHathor
nephandi: can one transmit Aids or any other blood based or immune deficiency diseases in the manner?

I think it would be very easy to pass on many illnesses in this way. I don't see blood play of this kind as a casual act to be engaged in with strangers.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 5:25:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

If you intend to cut someone, why let the blood go to waste?

I had a partner with whom I had been extremely intimate over a number of years, long enough so that enormous trust existed between us. One night we did a cutting while she was bound and I put my mouth over the wound and sucked it, sort of like a hickey, drawing blood from it. We'd go on to other things and every time it began to bleed, I would suck at it again. The pain and the erotic elements blended well together.

Later we opened the wound up yet again, purposefully to disinfect it properly. Within a month or so it healed with no scar as I had used a scalpel to make the original cutting and we were careful to keep the wound clean and sealed over with bandages.

A variation on this idea occurred later when we used a syringe to draw about 7 cc of blood from her arm. I put the blood into a small, yet very elegant glass and drank it while she kneeled at my feet. Then we tongue kissed for a long time and I shared her blood-taste with her. That was also very heady.

Short of maiming or worse, this kind of blood sharing can be powerfully bonding and enormously erotic. A kind of sacrifice of blood occurs between the slave and her master and it is as if she is saying with entire being: "I give my blood, my life, to you, Master."

That was 20 years ago, BTW. So this is not new.

That is extreamly well put and extreamly erotic.

I agree that it should be done with only some one you have known and trust for a while...Ive been with D for about 5 years now, and we have done blood play ONCE.

It is, as SugarMyChurro has said, it is giving a bit of yourself over to the person above you, or in some cases, below you. A strengthening of the bond between lovers. Giving over a portion that is inside of you that none can touch.

It is...all consuming and yes, very heady....

And of course, like anything else, if not done right it can be dangerous. But it is the beauty that lies under the surface.

Humans see blood as the life force, with out it we die. I think the sharing of that goes to a very deep aspect of saying, I am giving you the one thing that I would give to no other, and the one thing that makes Me live...I am giving you ALL Of Me.

I like it.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 5:30:47 AM

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Well it's been around the Leather community for many years really to one degree or another.
Viola Johnson has a book about her vampirism as well as her other book about her journey as a slave.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 5:32:18 AM

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I was just discussing this issue last night .. it must have been in the forum air or something

Vampirism is not something that in itself "blows my skirt up" I dont get the knee jerk "Yes I must try this" idea about it. This may be because of how it links in with many related plays that are also not appealing. I am a world class coward and as such pain is my greatest fear. Though the theory of knife play, or needle play excites and arrouses me, the reality does all kinds of bad things to my head space (and not in the fun way either). This being the case I would have to be in a *deeply* serious dynamic to be able to get through a blood letting.

The psychological and fantasy aspects of Vampirism do appeal to me however .. very very much so. As a child I was obsessed with Vampires, I read Dracula aged about 9 and it gets re-read every couple of months. Yes Buffy was a favourite TV show as a teen, and yes even the worst vampire movies are watched with a kind of sick addiction. I couldn't be described as a Goth or a Baby Bat (thanks Luna I love that phrase!) by any stretch of the imagination. This does not stop Dracula (Himself, the one of Bram Stoker's imagination) being my earliest and most developed fantasy figure. I wanted a man who woule entrace me and control me and overthrow my sense of self preservation before I had any concept of Dominance and submission. (hell, it was before I had any sense of high school if I am perfectly honest) .. swooning in the arms of a dark intense stranger in the middle of a dark night knowing the danger and not caring ... (sighs) ,,, is a heady pleasure indeed.

plus .. men with dark, smokey, deep, Eastern European accents ... weaken my knicker elastic faster that anything else

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 5:36:14 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHathor

When did this become a track in BDSM?

VAmpirism has been a part of BDSM play for a very long time. There is a vampire subculture that is seperate from the BDSM one, as well, but the two merge in many instances. I happen to be one of them.

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What is the attraction?

Power, intimacy, control. The attraction is simple to explain, but the feelings are not. When I finally allow one of the boys to bleed for me, it is a step beyond even the collar in our relationship. I trust them with my life, at that point becasue by sharing blood I am opening myself up to all sorts of risks I at that point trust they will not subject me to. It is the ultimate show of submission for some, to allow their dominant to take from them somehting so important, as well as to allow the dominant to put them in a very potentially risky situation as well. Not only are they at risk for blood borne diseases, but the dominant has the power (not to be melodramatic) of life and death at this point. They trust we wil ot allow them to lose enough blood for it to become dangerous. ITs quite the bond. Fox has bleed for me, twice, both very small cuts. We plan on making it a bit more of an ordeal at some point, when we dont have to worry about it being noticable.

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and is the fact that this is a growing fetish among the young signalling a dangerous direction for WIITWD.

???

With the dangers associated with so many of the other kinks people can be into, I dont really see this one as far more dangerous than, say, unportected sex. Bondage hurts far more people when done incorrectly than vampirism does. I think the young people wil turn to it, and like every other trendy fad in the incoming groups, it wil burn off quickly.

My 2 semi-awake cents before work.

DV

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 5:53:24 AM

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I dont get how cutting and blood go with vamp???? Ive been cutting for years and years and dont consider myself a goth by any strech..

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 6:02:37 AM

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The Vampire Community strongly discourages the practice of exchanging blood at this time. Vampirism is about the exchange of emotional energy, it is also about power exchagne where the subservient one gives their permission for the Vampire to feed off their emotional aura.

History Channel did a nice documentary on it a few years ago. I can see how it fits with WIITWD though there are also "lifestyle" Vamps who are in it just for the cool clothes and teeth much like Medievil reenactors.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 6:22:37 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OmegaG

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The Vampire Community strongly discourages the practice of exchanging blood at this time. Vampirism is about the exchange of emotional energy, it is also about power exchagne where the subservient one gives their permission for the Vampire to feed off their emotional aura.

History Channel did a nice documentary on it a few years ago. I can see how it fits with WIITWD though there are also "lifestyle" Vamps who are in it just for the cool clothes and teeth much like Medievil reenactors.

Sure publicly. thanks to the release of several underground videos showcasing blood rituals and exposing a large aspect of the Vampire scene that was relativly secret. their way of pushing it back behind closed doors.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 7:16:21 AM

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Hi

quote:

nephandi: can one transmit Aids or any other blood based or immune deficiency diseases in the manner?

Off course one can, but so can normal sex, but it is no more dangerous then having a bit of rough sex whit somone. i am not saying there are no risks, i am saying you made it out to be a whole lot more dangerous than other practices and that it is not.

i wish you well

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 7:33:06 AM

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Well there is not one vampire community Omega, there are several, and many of them do drink blood and do not as you say strongly discouraged as a unified front. Also you are lumping everyone into one basket, that do not do well for such a diverse group. First of all not all living vampires are into dominance and submission. Vampirism is not a BDSM thing, but some pepole are living vampires and use the bloodletting or taking of Energy as a part of BDSM play.

Also not all Energy vampires are after emotional Energy, many feed of a person's life force or even sexual Energy. Many can feed of unfeeling things like pants for example. For many psychic vampirism is not a fun and game thing, and nothing one have chosen, one is born that way, and if one is lucky enough to find somone to feed from, in most cases dominance and submission do not figure into it.

Then you have lifestyle vampires that just live that lifestyle but have no physical or psychological need for blood. Very many vampire fetishists are in this category, it is a kink it is not a need. Vampire fetish and the vampire community is not one and the same.

i wish you well

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 7:47:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Well it's been around the Leather community for many years really to one degree or another.
Viola Johnson has a book about her vampirism as well as her other book about her journey as a slave.

"Dhampir: Child of the Blood: A Vampyre’s Babybook" by V.M. Johnson is about her experience in the vampire subculture. It's been a few years since I read it but I don't believe she makes a strong argument that is is directly connected to BDSM.

"To Love, To Obey, To Serve: Diary of an Old Guard Slave" by V.M. Johnson turned the stomachs of the tops I had in a mentoring group one summer. It can be a very difficult book to read and having met Ms. Johnson and spoken with her, I know her intention was to show how things were in the bad old days so to speak.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 9:38:11 AM

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Never said there was a strong connection only that it has been around the community for a long time.
Just as I know a few folks who teach and present on Hypnosis and also are in the BDSM community. They also don't always make a plain connection. But to say the two are not obviously connected for some people would be foolish.
As to the reason for the growth in popularity enough to warrant mention in CM Interest lists? (wasn't it listed in the "checklists" in Screw The Roses, so it's far from new even as a direct connection) The huge influx we have had from the Gothic Community would make it plainly obvious that we could expect a growth in that sector of community interest within BDSM and D/s.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 9:39:06 AM

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My Owner has already posted a great deal on the subject, so I shall be brief. I'm not the Gothic type, but bleeding for her and having her drink my blood has been one of the single most erotic and symbolic things we've done. It's incredibly safe. Me driving her through traffic is a lot more dangerous. :-p

Is there a LOT of risks if you aren't careful? Yes...just like most anything else.

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