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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 3:55:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

I dont get how cutting and blood go with vamp???? Ive been cutting for years and years and dont consider myself a goth by any strech..

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Just because some goth kids happen to have a blood fetish, does not mean someone that has a blood fetish is a goth. Ugh, I hate that word but I'll avoid stepping onto a soap box.

As for the OP:

There are risks inherant in everytihng that we do. Some activities carry more risk than others. Blood play is something that is fairly high risk "edge play". Just as I would not have unprotected sex and fluid bond with some schmuck, I would not engage in something as high risk as blood play without being educated about what (and who with!) I was getting into..

As other have stated, blood play does have it's associated risks, but it is not a particularly "new" direction, it has been present in some degree for quite some time in wiitwd. Is it a growing fetish? That's difficult to tell, but I doubt it. This particular activity may be receiving some degree of publicity that is raising awareness and making it seem more common than it probably actually is. Overall, there is a fairly small cross section of the kinky populace that engages in this kind of activity, and an even smaller percentage in relation to the general populace at large.

Messing around with body fluids is dangerous business, hence most people are inherantly pretty squicked by them. Some people aren't so squicked by body fluids, or squicked by some and not others. As for myself, blood is the only body fluid that I do not find absolutely repulsive. I'm perfectly content with finger painting in blood, but find sexual fluid bonding rather nauseating.

Is there risk attributed to blood born pathogens in this kind of play? Absolutely. But as for anything in regards to wiitwd, the risks should be assessed and weighed. For some, the risks of blood play are worth it, and hopefully amongst those, precautions are taken to minimize those risks. For othes, the risks are not worth it. Myself, I think blood play can be very hot and intimate. I like it. Then again, I also like play piercings and cutting. I know there are risks involved, but that's what education is for, to take those risks into account and use precautions to minimize them.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 4:04:50 PM

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Never said there was a strong connection only that it has been around the community for a long time.
Just as I know a few folks who teach and present on Hypnosis and also are in the BDSM community. They also don't always make a plain connection. But to say the two are not obviously connected for some people would be foolish.
As to the reason for the growth in popularity enough to warrant mention in CM Interest lists? (wasn't it listed in the "checklists" in Screw The Roses, so it's far from new even as a direct connection) The huge influx we have had from the Gothic Community would make it plainly obvious that we could expect a growth in that sector of community interest within BDSM and D/s.

I'm sorry that I implied YOU SAID there was a strong connection.

I was merely expanded on your suggestion that they look for Ms. Johnson's books.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 4:14:10 PM

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http://www.collarchat.com/m_1315955/mpage_3/key_vampires/tm.htm#1317051
Vampirism: What does it have to do with bdsm?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_864129/mpage_1/key_vampirism/tm.htm#864171
How do you feel about blood?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_322160/mpage_1/key_blood/tm.htm#322528
blood play

http://www.collarchat.com/m_206738/mpage_1/key_blood/tm.htm#206752
What is vampirism?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_200009/mpage_1/key_cutting/tm.htm#200057
Cutting

Vampirism and bloodplay

Blood and vampires

Vampirism and succubus

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 5:46:53 PM

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I confess to glancing, not reading thoroughly, but saw no one make a roleplay connection. Scening is a form of roleplay, or can be - ie you might call Him 'God' but that doesn't mean he made the heavens and earth...in that sense, I can see a connection.

Thought I'd toss the mental spark out there.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 5:59:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Hi

Well there is not one vampire community Omega, there are several, and many of them do drink blood and do not as you say strongly discouraged as a unified front. Also you are lumping everyone into one basket, that do not do well for such a diverse group. First of all not all living vampires are into dominance and submission. Vampirism is not a BDSM thing, but some pepole are living vampires and use the bloodletting or taking of Energy as a part of BDSM play.

Also not all Energy vampires are after emotional Energy, many feed of a person's life force or even sexual Energy. Many can feed of unfeeling things like pants for example. For many psychic vampirism is not a fun and game thing, and nothing one have chosen, one is born that way, and if one is lucky enough to find somone to feed from, in most cases dominance and submission do not figure into it.

Then you have lifestyle vampires that just live that lifestyle but have no physical or psychological need for blood. Very many vampire fetishists are in this category, it is a kink it is not a need. Vampire fetish and the vampire community is not one and the same.

i wish you well

What she said. :)
And there are vampires that are hybrid, they can take energy from blood/sex/natural energy. To say "typical vampire" would be like saying "typical human". People are much too complex to put in little boxes and stay there.
Also, I might like to add that not all vampires belong to a community. Too much in fighting, too much drama. To lump the vampires with the goths is rather funny...and the goths don't like the fanged ones and so on and so forth. *yawns* bunch of childishness at best.
As others have stated, blood can be dangerous. If you aren't fluid bonded with the person and certain of their history (or willing to take that risk with your own life) then I wouldn't suggest it at all.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 6:38:57 PM

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There's pain, there's sexy, there's supernatural soul-enslavement.

Plus, there's that weird intersection between BDSM and fantasy/sci fi, especially fans of Buffy.

edited to add-- Oops, missed that someone beat me to the blood angle.

As for how cutting and blood play lead to vampirism-- it's because blood tastes good. And it feels pleasurable/painful to get a hickey on a fresh cutting/puncture wound. And it's a fun taboo within the BDSM community (risky, but nowhere near as risky as penetrative PIV sex).

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 7:10:50 PM

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Yes exactly. You have vampires of all types and variations, and while some vampires are goths, many are not, it is like whit berries yes, some berries are strawberries, but not all berries are strawberries. Same whit occultists to, some occultists are goths, i am a goth and a occultist and i might be a psy vampire, but that do not mean that one have to be one thing to be the other.

i wish you well

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 9:17:01 PM

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I'm gonna my 2 cents ina nd the head back to lurking about. Before I got into the scene fully I was into blood play and vampirism. My then boyfriend and I knew eahc other's history forwards and back. It was a very erotic experience to share blood with him and to take it form him. I've always liked the taste of blood, my own more often than not and just the sight of it.

like others have said this can easily fit into the realm of BDSM if one of the partners is submissive to the needs of the other especially in the case of a Psy vampire relationship. That part of my life if over save for the few times I draw blood eithe scratching or biting my current bf which isn't often. its not that I grew out of it but more like I havent found someone who I have such a strong connection with since then.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 11:33:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyHathor
When did this become a track in BDSM?

For some, this isn't fetish, it is what we believe we are. However, it often goes hand-in-hand with a blood fetish and role playing which have LONG been in BDSM. Vampirism has been aroung in the lifestyle probably since it first began.

quote:

What is the attraction?

What's the acttraction for anything in this lifestyle? Sex...power...control. Vampirism and blood fetishes have these elements.

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and is the fact that this is a growing fetish among the young signalling a dangerous direction for WIITWD.

Not any more than unprotected sex. Either one can be done in such a way that kills you.

If you know the risks and take the appropriate precautions, vampirism can be done safely and respected modern vamps ALWAYS get consent, sang or psy. My donor had a complete STD panel and bloodwork before I ever blood fed from her. I wouldn't feed from some I didn't know and trust with my life.

I am what I consider a Hybrid-by-default. I am a sang vamp but I survive on psy between feedings as sang donors (done in a safe manner) are rare...and I'm in an LDR with my donor (which sucks...no pun intended).

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/15/2008 11:41:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Well it's been around the Leather community for many years really to one degree or another.
Viola Johnson has a book about her vampirism as well as her other book about her journey as a slave.

Vi's book is very good, but it doesn't totally agree what most of the modern vamps I've run across believe...mainly the concept of "turning". Still, she believes these things and I highly respect her; she's the one who helped me with my "awakening" as we call it. I recommend that anyone interested in the subject do what they do for BDSM...read...talk to people...learn how to do it safely...etc. etc.

But, do read her book. Her folklore is interesting enough on it's own...and besides...it's HOT. ;-)

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/16/2008 1:31:45 AM

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Hi

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vampirism can be done safely and respected modern vamps ALWAYS get consent, sang or psy.

Well some psy vampires can not control what they do, many do not even know what they are, they only know that they can be very down and then be in the room whit somone, when they leave the other person feel drained and the vampire is happy as a lark and peppy. Crown feeding to is not that uncommon, one go to a place whit allot of pepole and just feed on the energy of the crowd, there is then so much Energy there that none notices if you take a bit.

i wish you well

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/16/2008 3:32:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: nephandi
Well some psy vampires can not control what they do, many do not even know what they are, they only know that they can be very down and then be in the room whit somone, when they leave the other person feel drained and the vampire is happy as a lark and peppy. Crown feeding to is not that uncommon, one go to a place whit allot of pepole and just feed on the energy of the crowd, there is then so much Energy there that none notices if you take a bit.

i wish you well

Quite true on both accounts. Of course, I had one-on-one themes in my head because I had BDSM scening in my head. Thanks for the reminder.

There is some debate about the crowd feeding issue...if it's ethical or not. I feel that it is because it seems that the sum is greater than it's parts...meaning there's more energy from the crowd than should be if you just add up all the individual energies. I "surf" on occassion and I don't announce to the the room I'm going to feed. Some see that as wrong, but I don't.

As for not knowing what they're doing, that's another tough topic. It's hard to fault someone for that, yet if you don't realize what's going on and can't shield, it can be damaging. So, if the unaware meets the unaware, you can have issues. Most people can pick up that somethings "off" and leave...but some people are also drawn to that "off" feeling. It's hard to say, definitively, what to do.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/16/2008 3:59:04 AM

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Hi

i drain pepole whiteout wanting to on occasion, and every plant i take into my home die in a few days, no matter how well it is tended, pepole feel tired around me, but for me i have never learned how to control it. i believe it comes from an Energy deficiency i have. my mother when she was carrying me became sick and the mother cake, the thing that is supposed to feed the unborn child was faulty so i did not get enough nourishment and was was born way to thin. i believe this created a flaw in in Energy system so that i draw Energy from pepole around me to fill it. Only by doing allot of exercises to draw in Energy from the earth and Spiritual realms can i avoid draining those around me.

As for crows feeding, i think that often it is not Energy from the pepole one feed from, but the Energy that is generated by a stressed out crowd. Just like when I rub my hand on the sofa it get hot, the ant like activity buss create Energy.

i wish you well

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/16/2008 4:51:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

I dont get how cutting and blood go with vamp???? Ive been cutting for years and years and dont consider myself a goth by any strech..

BadOne

Please do not generalize, goths and vampirism are not synonymous, one can be a goth and detest vampirism---they are at times very separate and distinct.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/16/2008 5:47:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

quote:

ORIGINAL: nephandi
Well some psy vampires can not control what they do, many do not even know what they are, they only know that they can be very down and then be in the room whit somone, when they leave the other person feel drained and the vampire is happy as a lark and peppy. Crown feeding to is not that uncommon, one go to a place whit allot of pepole and just feed on the energy of the crowd, there is then so much Energy there that none notices if you take a bit.

i wish you well

Quite true on both accounts. Of course, I had one-on-one themes in my head because I had BDSM scening in my head. Thanks for the reminder.

There is some debate about the crowd feeding issue...if it's ethical or not. I feel that it is because it seems that the sum is greater than it's parts...meaning there's more energy from the crowd than should be if you just add up all the individual energies. I "surf" on occassion and I don't announce to the the room I'm going to feed. Some see that as wrong, but I don't.

As for not knowing what they're doing, that's another tough topic. It's hard to fault someone for that, yet if you don't realize what's going on and can't shield, it can be damaging. So, if the unaware meets the unaware, you can have issues. Most people can pick up that somethings "off" and leave...but some people are also drawn to that "off" feeling. It's hard to say, definitively, what to do.

Master Fire

The only problem with crowd feedings (and yes, I'm guilty of general siphoning in a crowd) is that you don't know the quality of the energy unless you know the crowd. :(

I am usually okay with psy as I have a couple of donors between here and NYC and one down in VA. It's just lately that I've been restless, and I find that when I talk to sangs that I tend to go practicing on mangoes with my scalpels. If I feed from intense sexual passion though, I can usually damper any deeper cravings.

But I digress, to the OP: I have not built a scene around vampirism but I did see a small workshop on it in NYC last year.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/16/2008 9:03:38 AM

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The only problem with crowd feedings (and yes, I'm guilty of general siphoning in a crowd) is that you don't know the quality of the energy unless you know the crowd. :(

The Lady do have a point, but i guess you can look at it like fast food, you do not know what is in that either, and usually a crowd at a mall will be so diverse that the Energy be stressful but rather neutral.

i wish you well

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/16/2008 9:16:40 AM

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I'm going to add my thoughts and echo what has mostly already been said. When my Mistress bites me and bites me in such a way to draw up a little bit of blood, it is an intense and powerful emotional experiance. To me, it is an intense act of submission where I have given over to her, and know that I would not be able to pull away or deny her her hunger.

Its a bonding, an intimacy, and an act of submission for me.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/16/2008 10:15:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam
vampirism can be done safely and respected modern vamps ALWAYS get consent, sang or psy.

Okay, so add this to "leather history" on the big pile of things I know absolutely nothing about. I've heard the term "psychic vampire" several times, never in a sexual or BDSM context, and always negatively. Example:

Hippie: Hey, man, you should eat organic vegetables, not those genetically modified ones.
Non-hippie: Get a job, loser.
Hippie: Whoa. You're a psychic vampire, man.

Not a 1960's-hippie term. It's a New Ager term, meaning someone who is empty and can only get filled by depleting others. So, question for Master Fire, Lady Jag and anybody else.......

What's a consensual "white-magicky" BDSM-y psychic vampire?

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/16/2008 11:28:36 AM

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If you are asking what I think you are asking, a psychic vampire is one who feeds on the energy of others without the consumption of blood.
It may sound all mystical and mumbo jumbo to some, but just look at "faith" healers, they are using life force energy, either their own or other peoples (or divine intervention, I will not argue or dispute that as I am not), reiki is also another form of energy work.
Everything is made up of energy, there are just some that need an infusion from others to function. There are many theories and books written about the subject.

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RE: Vampirism-say what? - 2/16/2008 11:31:40 AM

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So yeah, I'm with you on all that -- just not on the part about how feeding off someone else's energy is a good thing. That's what's missing.

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