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Politesub53 -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 9:34:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

I'm speaking here of  a general civic/legal principle.
The fact remains IMO that this issue is not simple and women can behave sexually, whether unwittingly or not, in a way that unleashes some very primitive drives that may not be able to be contained..



Seeks i cant agree with this. Any woman has the right to say no both before and even during the act. The fact a man may have urges is not a reason to go against someones will.

That said, women that claim to have been raped after having sex, either for revenge of some sort, or to avoid the husband b/f finding out, should also feel the full force of the law.




philosophy -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 9:34:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

women can behave sexually, whether unwittingly or not, in a way that unleashes some very primitive drives that may not be able to be contained..




...sheesh, hulk smash?
The thing about being grown ups, is that we are supposed to be better at containing 'primitive' drives. One could argue that is the very definition of adult.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 9:56:28 AM)

Philosophy: I was about to make a very dismissive response but in light of your recent  health scare post I thought better of it.I hope the result was OK.

Considering developmental time scales of humans we are very very very close indeed to our primeval state.
For some males extreme sexual arousal may have a dynamism of its own. IMO. despite what feminists or wimmen of either sex believe or "know".
In other words beyond a certain point to stop becomes very difficult if not impossible.




philosophy -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 10:04:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Philosophy: I was about to make a very dismissive response but in light of your recent  health scare post I thought better of it.I hope the result was OK.

Considering developmental time scales of humans we are very very very close indeed to our primeval state.
For some males extreme sexual arousal may have a dynamism of its own. IMO. despite what feminists or wimmen of either sex believe or "know".
In other words beyond a certain point to stop becomes very difficult if not impossible.




...oh feel free to not hold back on my account. [:)]

.......i've italicised a part of your last post. You seem to be suggesting that men, beyond a certain point of arousal, can not stop. Research and experience do not bear this out. What does seem to be the case is that those men with frontal lobe damage (and there are way too many of them running around undiagnosed) exhibit poor impulse control. The sexual urge itself is not the problem, the acquired brain damage is. The inability to control is not intrinsic to the human psyche, for those with ABD it may be a defence........but like so called Gay Rage it's mostly used by scoundrels who want a free ride.



Lucylastic -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 10:18:19 AM)

If ya cant control ya children, ya shouldnt have one
If ya cant control ya dog, ya shouldnt have one
If you cant control ya car, ya shouldnt have one
If ya cant control ya dick, ya shouldnt have one
Lucy



kittinSol -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 10:20:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

What a dynamic personality.  It was hard not to fall asleep while watching him.  Either that or reach into his throat and pull out his words, good grief.

Sounds like a really bad country/western song:  "Rape just ain't what it used to be"

This is a perfect example of ignorance.  I liked one of the quotes someone wrote under that video:  "You can not take back stupid.  But you can unelect it."

I liked watching the buy behind him.  He looked like he was falling asleep until the idiot comment was made, and then he starts looking around like, "Um, did I just hear that?  Did anyone else just hear that?" 


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kittinSol -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 10:23:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

In other words beyond a certain point to stop becomes very difficult if not impossible.



...oh feel free to not hold back on my account. [:)]

.......i've italicised a part of your last post. You seem to be suggesting that men, beyond a certain point of arousal, can not stop.



Otherwise known as premature ejaculation :-).



popeye1250 -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 10:33:40 AM)

I could never understand rape, why would you want to be someplace where you're not wanted?
Everytime I hear "Tennessee" and "Senator" I think of that kook Gore.



CrimsonMoan -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 10:34:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

If ya cant control ya dick, ya shouldnt have one
Lucy


[:D][;)] so very true.

And lets not leave out the fact that women aren't the only ones who can be raped. Mind you the odds of male on male rape outside of prison or molestation being reported have only gone up slightly since the 'old day's better known as the stoen age according to my theater teacher. it still happens. In part I will use something Seeks said. its easy to take a guy to the poitn of no return when its girl on guy rape if he's tied down. most of us know just how easy it is to get a guy hard and quite possibly keep him there etc. And just as rare as it is for female on male rape to be reported its even rarer for male on male rape to be reported because one there is the fear of being labeled gay and two becaus while its not right to hit  woman even in self defense sometimes a guy is expected to be able to handle another guy no matter what.

As for the idiot in the video itjust makes me wish when elected officals started to say stupid things their tongue would just swell up and choke the thought off right then and there



kittinSol -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 10:43:46 AM)

It's true that male on male rape is a very taboo subject; when will male victims speak out?



carlie310 -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 11:08:49 AM)

I have a very close friend who was accused of date rape.  Actually a former lover of mine.  He was absolutely devastated by the accusation--he's a very caring considerate guy.  I have also been raped. 

Some consider themselves raped if they passively go along with a seduction and then decide they didn't want it after the fact.  Some of those people find attorneys who agree.

If that's what the Senator meant, he has a point.  Of course, for many voters, he's just marked himself.



kittinSol -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 11:12:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: carlie310

If that's what the Senator meant, he has a point.  Of course, for many voters, he's just marked himself.



That's the problem when a person speaks on behalf of constituents. They're supposed to be clear and not to lay themselves open to wide interpretation. This senator shot himself in the foot: whatever his intentions were, he came across as saying that 'gone were the days when women were raped when they were chaste' (as if now that we're all whores, we can't withdraw consent).



CrimsonMoan -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 11:20:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

It's true that male on male rape is a very taboo subject; when will male victims speak out?


when society stops seeing m/m sex in general as being deviant, disgusting, wrong, etc etc etc



kittinSol -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 11:22:07 AM)

Also when men are empowered with the right to be victims.



LadyAyla7053 -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 11:22:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: caro44

Unfortunately, this idiot is a repersentive  of my state.

shakes her head


I truly feel sorry for you and your state for having that idiot in office. Pray that he doesn't get elected again.



popeye1250 -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 11:30:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Also when men are empowered with the right to be victims.


LOL, Sol, I didn't realise that being a "victim" was "empowering."



hisannabelle -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 11:33:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Also when men are empowered with the right to be victims.


LOL, Sol, I didn't realise that being a "victim" was "empowering."


actually, i think she put it really well.

women are allowed to be victims, and men are not, because both are viewed in very specific ways in this society. women are only allowed to be victims under certain conditions, though.

being able to say, "what happened to me was a crime" and be validated can be extremely empowering. it allows you to acknowledge what happened, possibly seek some sort of legal recourse, and to at least have some possibility of closure. any rape victim (or any kind of victim, for that matter), regardless of gender, who is constantly told or is telling themselves that it wasn't "really" rape cannot get past what happened because their experience as a victim isn't even validated to begin with. unfortunately, male rape victims experience this more often because of the widespread belief that men "can't" be raped.



CuriousLord -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 11:44:49 AM)

He has a marvelous point!  Things are changing.  What "rape" is today is different.

Now, he's taking it in a direction most of us would likely disagree with.  I haven't watched the video, but it seems he's probably against this shift.  But his point here is that the shift exists.  This fact really speaks to the social changes and the evolution of society.

The understanding of -ism's in general seem to have evolved a lot, particularly the ones which refer to prejustices.

Sexism, for instance, was not thinking women can do anything at all outside of the home.  Then it became it became thinking that women can't do many things.  Then some things.  Then it became thinking that women probably shouldn't do some things.  Then it even stopped being about women, and now it's just judging someone based on their gender: man or woman.

It's still evolving and going along.  Hell, I've empiracly seen here on CM that many older people still go by old definitions and perceptions.  But it's great, isn't it?  Even if some people don't like the changes, they exist; and that kicks ass.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 11:46:59 AM)

Well wimmen often complain that men have no understanding of the physical/mental consequences of their monthly cycle.and I have no problem in believing that they are probably right.
It appears many  here , and that includes some men lol.seem to have no understanding of the powers released as male sexual arousal progresses.
Silly responses like keep your pecker in your pocket just dont begin to address the problem

IMO We are not far removed from beasts who would take what they want and kill anyone in their way.
Pretty obvious when you look at what humans do NO?
 
Statistically most women are not raped by strangers. Odd eh ?

In the UK a BBC presenter has just been cleared of raping his er er er partner They probaly met 10 mins previous in a local toilet lol.



Nineveh -> RE: Tennessee Senator "rape just isn’t what it used to be" .What a jerk! (2/15/2008 11:47:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Also when men are empowered with the right to be victims.


LOL, Sol, I didn't realise that being a "victim" was "empowering."


actually, i think she put it really well.

women are allowed to be victims, and men are not, because both are viewed in very specific ways in this society. women are only allowed to be victims under certain conditions, though.

being able to say, "what happened to me was a crime" and be validated can be extremely empowering. it allows you to acknowledge what happened, possibly seek some sort of legal recourse, and to at least have some possibility of closure. any rape victim (or any kind of victim, for that matter), regardless of gender, who is constantly told or is telling themselves that it wasn't "really" rape cannot get past what happened because their experience as a victim isn't even validated to begin with. unfortunately, male rape victims experience this more often because of the widespread belief that men "can't" be raped.



Men can be vitims of murder, or theft, or even assault but admitting to being raped is somehow terribly disempowering for a man.



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