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LadyEllen -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 2:47:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn No American Troops Overseas Not sure thats possible Caitlyn - even with my idea of the US leaving the European deployments to we Europeans, the US would still have to deploy elsewhere as its interests required. And anyway, your guys and gals are very welcome to come here to train - you know, learn English and so on! More seriously though, we have no problem at all with your forces being in the UK and the cooperations we make are good for both sides - the only reason I'd like your guys and gals to leave is to prompt our neighbours to provide better for our joint defence. E

kdsub -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 2:59:43 PM)
LadyEllen...a serious question here…not wanting to start another argument. Except for our everlasting shame of securing oil in Iraq where else in the world are American troops needed to secure our interests. I don’t believe Afghanistan is a necessity for permanently stationed forces nor Korea. Islamic extremists in Afghanistan are a bigger threat to Europe in reality then us. Korea can defend its own borders. I can see no interests that need defending. Butch

caitlyn -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 3:03:09 PM)
Absolutely not possible ... but it's a great day for tilting at windmills. I will be honest ... I see no reason to have any American troops in Europe, unless they are on leave taking their family on vacation. I love Europe. It's a wonderful place to visit ... I could even see myself living there. But, the reality is that at this point, we are more rivals than friends. Friendly rivals, but rivals none the less. On top of that, I have a hard time understanding how Europeans tolerate it. I could only imagine what would happen, if the federal government decided to allow European troops to be stationed in large numbers, here in Texas. Lastly, I'm not sure the American government can be trusted. Not an easy thing to say, but I think things go a bit deeper over here then the co-Presidency of Cheney and Rove. I'm starting to wonder if the smart play would be to fall in supplication at the feet of King George and beg him to take us back.

LadyEllen -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 3:13:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub LadyEllen...a serious question here…not wanting to start another argument. Except for our everlasting shame of securing oil in Iraq where else in the world are American troops needed to secure our interests. I don’t believe Afghanistan is a necessity for permanently stationed forces nor Korea. Islamic extremists in Afghanistan are a bigger threat to Europe in reality then us. Korea can defend its own borders. I can see no interests that need defending. Butch Iraq has to be dealt with - we made the mess, we have to clear it up; it was a very poor way to strike back at the Saudis all in all Afghanistan has to be dealt with too I think - but never will be unless we're allowed to chase them into Pakistan; we cant allow Afghanistan to become their base again, but they have just moved their bases to Pakistan so its a loser situation for us - bear in mind its meant to be this lot that sent the 911 attackers Korea I dont know enough about, but to be honest the whole thing has ratcheted up a bit now if they have nuclear weapons - the question becomes would they risk war when we know they have nukes and might nuke them first? But really, "interests" are commercial interests which the US needs to protect for its domestic wealth where we arent talking about defence. And in that regard one has to look to the commercial interests of US industry worldwide, which by their private nature are pretty much unknown to we mere mortals. E

LadyEllen -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 3:19:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn Absolutely not possible ... but it's a great day for tilting at windmills. I will be honest ... I see no reason to have any American troops in Europe, unless they are on leave taking their family on vacation. I love Europe. It's a wonderful place to visit ... I could even see myself living there. But, the reality is that at this point, we are more rivals than friends. Friendly rivals, but rivals none the less. On top of that, I have a hard time understanding how Europeans tolerate it. I could only imagine what would happen, if the federal government decided to allow European troops to be stationed in large numbers, here in Texas. Lastly, I'm not sure the American government can be trusted. Not an easy thing to say, but I think things go a bit deeper over here then the co-Presidency of Cheney and Rove. I'm starting to wonder if the smart play would be to fall in supplication at the feet of King George and beg him to take us back. yes, commercial rivals, but I really dont think it goes any further than that. And believe it or not we like having your guys and gals here - and not because we cant defend ourselves; they add a somewhat exotic flavour to things and more importantly because (you wont like it) every US base brings millions into the local economy. But our financial gain is no reason for you to be paying for all the bases you have here. I think you'd do better to redeploy most and just keep small bases here to receive visitors to the several US cemeteries we host with honour. I thought the idea was that you did fall in supplication before King George? Just not our King George? E

caitlyn -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 3:24:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen I thought the idea was that you did fall in supplication before King George? Just not our King George? Please accept my thanks in advance, for my future use of that line. [;)]

meatcleaver -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 3:25:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn On top of that, I have a hard time understanding how Europeans tolerate it. I could only imagine what would happen, if the federal government decided to allow European troops to be stationed in large numbers, here in Texas. Most have to. Take the decisions of the Polish and Czech governments on US missile deployment in their countries, the majority of both nations don't want deployment but as with most democracies, the government doesn't get in on the popular vote but a quirk of the election system chosen by the country. However, this going against the popular wish encourages anti-Americanism, not really the fault of the Americans but of their so called European supporters.

luckydog1 -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 3:37:18 PM)
The Easterners sure seem to want US Troops hanging out in thier countries. They understand that it makes them safer, and we really aren't there to rape and pillage. They see Rusia adn Germany and have a sense of history. You can bet the people in the new Nation of Kosova are thanking Allah we have troops there. And while no one in France,Germany or the other Western states will admit it, they know that pressense of the US has brought a stability not seen since the Romans, and allowed the EU and their wonderfull semi socialist system to form, and they are far better for it.

LadyEllen -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 3:46:51 PM)
LD - you see, this is where it starts getting silly. We had huge numbers of troops, tanks, planes et al stationed in W Germany for decades too; if all we were interested in was ourselves, why would we do such an expensive thing? Why not just let you lot do it whilst we sit at home drinking tea and reminiscing about Empire (as apparently we are wont to do). Its an alliance for mutual interests - yes, US interests too which are tied in to no small extent with the fortunes of Europe. And again, we provided our social safety nets ourselves but contributions are always well received. And again, we opened our listening stations all across the UK (and the world) to you guys because its all about mutual interests. E

Owner59 -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 4:23:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen LD - you see, this is where it starts getting silly. We had huge numbers of troops, tanks, planes et al stationed in W Germany for decades too; if all we were interested in was ourselves, why would we do such an expensive thing? Why not just let you lot do it whilst we sit at home drinking tea and reminiscing about Empire (as apparently we are wont to do). Its an alliance for mutual interests - yes, US interests too which are tied in to no small extent with the fortunes of Europe. And again, we provided our social safety nets ourselves but contributions are always well received. And again, we opened our listening stations all across the UK (and the world) to you guys because its all about mutual interests. E Yes,exactly.We couldn`t have won WWII without the UK,Russia,the free French Army,the free Polish Army,etc.They couldn`t have won it without us.Our material support and ships were just as crucial as our men. We needed them and they needed us then and the same is true now in the fight against al-queda. We don`t have the luxury of sniping at our friends or losing them. Our only choice is to find common ground work from there. Chest beating and demanding that they all fall in line isn`t realistic and is counterproductive. As far as what we did for Europe.We didn`t do that for any reason other than it was the right thing to do.Like pulling a drowning puppy out of the water,you just do it.We didn`t do it for our own purposes or profit.I`m sure that Europe would have done the same for us if things were reversed.

popeye1250 -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 4:28:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen Obama certainly seems a charismatic and inspiring figure to me Popeye Though, I guess it might take one to know one? And yes, I've always wondered where all the money goes. It certainly doesnt seem to get through to the people we might imagine are in need of it and for whom we might have thought it was being sent - and meanwhile the suits occasionally seen on TV to talk about these things dont seem to be off the peg, do they? E LadyE, you must be easily amused. Obama went to college, then to law school, then was in a state legislature for ten years, then the U.S. Senate for one term. Not exactly Lawrence of Arabia. And I don't think he had any military experience at all. He's led the same life as an Accountant! None of the things he's done require any type of leadership or managment skills.

kittinSol -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 4:29:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 He's led the same life as an Accountant! Considering the current state of the US budget, that's exactly what's needed [:D] .

popeye1250 -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/18/2008 4:39:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 He's led the same life as an Accountant! Considering the current state of the US budget, that's exactly what's needed [:D] . Kittensol, yes we do need an accountant in there not another lawyer! We need to stop spending money we don't have!

Real0ne -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/19/2008 1:09:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen LD - you see, this is where it starts getting silly. We had huge numbers of troops, tanks, planes et al stationed in W Germany for decades too; if all we were interested in was ourselves, why would we do such an expensive thing? Why not just let you lot do it whilst we sit at home drinking tea and reminiscing about Empire (as apparently we are wont to do). Its an alliance for mutual interests - yes, US interests too which are tied in to no small extent with the fortunes of Europe. And again, we provided our social safety nets ourselves but contributions are always well received. And again, we opened our listening stations all across the UK (and the world) to you guys because its all about mutual interests. E yup, power;money;control

Real0ne -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/19/2008 1:15:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 He's led the same life as an Accountant! Considering the current state of the US budget, that's exactly what's needed [:D] . Kittensol, yes we do need an accountant in there not another lawyer! We need to stop spending money we don't have! Disagree, we need Wyatt Earp and Doc holiday is more like it. Both obama and clinton are members of the CFR.... So lets see now, bush's daddy helped finance the nazis and we see what he did, now these 2 are with the CFR. I guess my imagination cant fathom whats to come should they get in.

luckydog1 -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/19/2008 1:48:50 AM)
LE, I would certainly put the UK in a different catagory than the nations I mentioned. Yes, everyone did their part to win WW2, and others were just as valiant (though you can see some appeasment and unreasonableness that led to the whole thing happening), but I was refering to our actions afterwards, specifically keeping bases everywhere, and the effect it had. The UK views Europe in a similar manner to the US at times, and your nation really is a bridge between us. I am not saying we do it because it is the nice thing to do, or that we are great people. I am very aware that it serves our interests, at the same time it is very good for Europe.

Real0ne -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (2/19/2008 2:40:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 He's led the same life as an Accountant! Considering the current state of the US budget, that's exactly what's needed [:D] . Kittensol, yes we do need an accountant in there not another lawyer! We need to stop spending money we don't have! You sure about that? Obama Pushes Bill That Would Mandate Global Tax Senate to vote on legislation that would cost U.S. $845 billion, also enables UN to implement gun bans

missfrillypants -> RE: Can Barak "get ghetto?" (3/15/2008 8:52:23 AM)
quote: Oh yes I do agree with you and it all the more infuriates me to hear their brethren at home belittle their dedication. And even worse blame it on the US instead of where it belongs... with their own government. quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Hillary is going to have to throw a few bombs around before she is taken seriously by a lot of the world that is more Chauvanistic than the West. Appealing to he is being mean to me, won't work at all on the world stage, despite it gettting votes with American White Women. She will be having to go into a room with Putin and no cameras, is she going to act scared that he approaches her with a piece of paper? It worked to get here elected to the Senate, but..... Barak would probably have a much stronger image ot the world, for sterotype reasons. He's no Idi Amin, but that's more than needed. I think he would be able to pull off the threat of violence with no problem. Again, think of him and Putin in a room with no press.... Barak would be no better. He's just another college boy. Why do people running for office feel the need to tell us how well they did while they were in school 25 years ago? I mean what relevency does that have to the job being sought? A Truckdriver can run for congress or the senate or even the presidency. I'd prefer someone with at least some military experience over someone who graduated "Cum Laude" from some ivey league degree factory. Or someone who's run a business and had to meet payrolls. I want a good "Manager" not someone who has grandiose dreams of being a "leader". Who do they think is going to "follow" them? That's not part of the job description. And I don't want a president who holds 16 "press conferences" a day like Clinton did! You couldn't turn on the News without seeing his ugly face on it broken blood vessels on his huge proboscus from snorting cocaine with Bono. I don't want to see the president on the News, that means he's shooting off his yap instead of working. That's the problem with Washington, there's way too many lawyers there! Let me guess, Barak went to law school, right? Sorry but I just can't vote for a lawyer. P.S. we're electing someone as our president to manage our country, not foreign countries! OK, that was my "Andy Rooney" post. that will never happen. you can't be the president unless you were a skull and bones. everyone knows that. anyway, bush managed a company, so did cheney. no good came of them. the problem is that the manager of a company isn't looking after the employees, they're looking after the profit. while america could use a reduction of the defict, what we REALLY need is someone who can do things that in the long run will shorten the food pantry lines that have gone up since bush got us mired in that long war. i don't think i'm an isolationist as much as some of the people on this thread, but... the thing is that i don't like the way the people who make wars for american troops to go and die in try to make it all about "helping those poor people." it's absolutely right that no country goes to war except to protect their own interests and i don't think they SHOULD go to war because bad things are happening to people halfway across the world when we can't feed our own people or provide aid to people when there's a disaster. it's naieve of anyone to believe that any culture knows the best way for other countries to fix their ideological problems. at the same time, our own culture is very under the influence of corporate entities, who... well, there is a strong case that if corporate entities were real people they'd be sociopaths... they only look after the interests of the corporation and it's leaders, not the laborers who do the work or the environment or sometimes even the ability to sustain the industry very far into the future. in order to keep turing our profits, we're victimizing people both at home and abroad because they have little money and therefore they aren't worth much to those entities. however, i believe this is ultimately an inhouse problem... if our country did more housecleaning on our own shores instead of on other people's i think that we'd end up with better foriegn policies as well.

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