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RE: Kennedy Assasination documents found - 2/18/2008 10:12:12 PM

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What a load of bunk!

Hey if someone hits you in the back of the head with a baseball bat which way is your head going to go?

Backward? I think not. The most simple physics will show that your head will go in the same direction as the force applied.

Kennedy's head flew backwards and to the left. So here is your physics problem, which direction was the force applied to his head?

Here is a portion from ABC's documentary on the Kennedy assassination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM

It debunks the magic bullet theory. As is mentioned in the documentary, bodies move in all sorts of awkward directions when hit by bullets. They do not move the whole body forward, like the impact from a baseball bat. The head offers very little resistance to a bullet moving that fast. The bullet enters and travels through very quickly. If JFK had been shot by a pistol or a small caliber rifle, I may be inclined to see your point. But he was shot by a hi-powered rifle bullet from fairly close distance.

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RE: Kennedy Assasination documents found - 2/18/2008 10:15:15 PM

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note that by close you are correct, where as many people would think thats a far shot, its not far at all. I personally can shoot someone at 500 yards with an m16a2, without a scope. and an m16a2 is NOT a high powered precision rifle designed for such jobs.

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RE: Kennedy Assasination documents found - 2/18/2008 11:09:28 PM

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To paraphrase Oliver Stone, the real question is why:

1. Why was Kennedy killed?
2. Who benefits?
3. Who has the power to cover it up?

Of all the suspects (and there are certainly a lot of them!) I buy the idea of a cabal of CIA and military elements who wanted a more gung-ho president who would invade Vietnam in the name of Freedom and Democracy. And more military spending! Can't forget that!

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RE: Kennedy Assasination documents found - 2/18/2008 11:22:58 PM

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To paraphrase Oliver Stone, the real question is why:

1. Why was Kennedy killed?
2. Who benefits?
3. Who has the power to cover it up?

Of all the suspects (and there are certainly a lot of them!) I buy the idea of a cabal of CIA and military elements who wanted a more gung-ho president who would invade Vietnam in the name of Freedom and Democracy. And more military spending! Can't forget that!

Kennedy was a staunch anti-communist, and a war hawk. He was the one that ordered advisors and intelligence operations in Vietnam. While Kennedy was in office, American forces were already carrying out covert operations in Indochina. All of that was because of Kennedy. He would have escalated the war just as much as Johnson. Oliver Stone's movie was entertaining, but it was complete fiction. Stone like a lot of baby boomer have this mystic image of Kennedy. They really think he was the second coming, but he wasn't. Ike had warned about getting involved in southeast Asia, and Kennedy ignored him for the most part.

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RE: Kennedy Assasination documents found - 2/19/2008 12:52:49 AM

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I jumped through because there is no way I am going to read this all right now. I have one thing to say.

Find the letter that JFK sent to David Ben-Gurion threatening to cut off all US aid to Israel if they did not give up on their nuclear ambitions and I think you have something.

Ben-Gurion resigned in disgust, saying that "There might not be an Israel soon". Something like that. Days later, JFK, who sent that letter was dead.

I am not saying anything else right now, just that. There are no cites, there is probably nowhere on the web that can prove this, so if you think that proves it to be untrue, so be it.

You may have noticed me being more forward in issues such as this lately, that is because I am wrapping it up. I'll get my opinion out, and then I want to talk kink. I am so totally tired of the politics that I just am going to let it out, and go to "Bondage Gear And Apparel" where I belong.

And with all this talk we have not got a fucking thing done, or even started. And now we wrap ourselves in something that happened how long ago ?

I heard it said that no Kennedy would ever be President again, does anyone else remember that ? Do you remember who said it ?

Hey I got a document that proves that the Founding Fathers of this country were really running a tax evasion scam. It's called the Constitution.

You really want to run through this whole subject again ?

Later.

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RE: Kennedy Assasination documents found - 2/19/2008 10:36:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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What a load of bunk!

Hey if someone hits you in the back of the head with a baseball bat which way is your head going to go?

Backward? I think not. The most simple physics will show that your head will go in the same direction as the force applied.

Kennedy's head flew backwards and to the left. So here is your physics problem, which direction was the force applied to his head?

Here is a portion from ABC's documentary on the Kennedy assassination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM

It debunks the magic bullet theory. As is mentioned in the documentary, bodies move in all sorts of awkward directions when hit by bullets. They do not move the whole body forward, like the impact from a baseball bat. The head offers very little resistance to a bullet moving that fast. The bullet enters and travels through very quickly. If JFK had been shot by a pistol or a small caliber rifle, I may be inclined to see your point. But he was shot by a hi-powered rifle bullet from fairly close distance.

While thats really cool graphics work and I am sure that dude did wonders to advertise his computer graphics skills again that is bunk.

He shows connelly getting hit much lower than the autopsy reports. Another problem is that the zapruder film does not match eye witnesses who were there and there are several anomolies like fucked up and non existant shadows etc which lead people to believe the film was overlayed. (that was the method used back then edit in and out)

Thats a nice show piece but frankly its just more bunk not debunk. I could create the same graphics and draw pretty pictures that are empty and devoid of real data and hence impotent to any real analysis.

The amount of resistance is irrelevant. There is resistance. Your reasoning in the head shot is flawed. You can get some degree of flayling from nerves upon impact on other parts of the body but not on a head shot as in a head shot "all" motor control is instantly gone. The body simply goes instantly limp and whatever forces acting upon it will move it accordingly.

You can see his brains being splattered from a hi speed bullet. from the front right. No way could oswald be in 2 places at once.

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RE: Kennedy Assasination documents found - 2/20/2008 12:53:48 AM

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Termn8tr, it is entirely valid to post a non websource for your material. You either heard it somewhere or made it up.

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RE: Kennedy Assasination documents found - 2/20/2008 10:40:30 PM

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While thats really cool graphics work and I am sure that dude did wonders to advertise his computer graphics skills again that is bunk.

He shows connelly getting hit much lower than the autopsy reports. Another problem is that the zapruder film does not match eye witnesses who were there and there are several anomolies like fucked up and non existant shadows etc which lead people to believe the film was overlayed. (that was the method used back then edit in and out)

Thats a nice show piece but frankly its just more bunk not debunk. I could create the same graphics and draw pretty pictures that are empty and devoid of real data and hence impotent to any real analysis.

The amount of resistance is irrelevant. There is resistance. Your reasoning in the head shot is flawed. You can get some degree of flayling from nerves upon impact on other parts of the body but not on a head shot as in a head shot "all" motor control is instantly gone. The body simply goes instantly limp and whatever forces acting upon it will move it accordingly.

You can see his brains being splattered from a hi speed bullet. from the front right. No way could oswald be in 2 places at once.

Like I said, no amount of evidence will ever be good enough for conspiracy theorists. You claim the Zapruder film is a fake, but you cite it when you mention Kennedy's movements at the moment he was shot. Either the film is fake or it's not. You can't have it both ways. I will say it again, bodies move in awkward directions when hit by bullets (that includes head shots). A head shot does not make a body "go instantly limp". I don't know where you are getting that from, but it's wrong. My logic is not flawed. I have been told that by people who have been in combat and by medical professionals. You're logic is flawed.

I can't see his brains being splattered from the front right. I see a massivw wound as a bullet exits through his head (from the rear). But I consider the Zapruder film to be accurate. You consider it to be fake, so why are you citing it?

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RE: Kennedy Assasination documents found - 2/21/2008 1:59:58 AM

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The claim is not that the Zapruder film is a fake but that it was edited .

From memory I recall that it was discovered that some frames had been deleted and/or the order changed.
As Termy says Kennedy's head can clearly be seen jerking backwards.
A Police Officer behind Kennedy got splattered with brains.

Also I believe again from memory the entrance point of the bullet that entered Kennedy's back was pictured as being lower than in fact it was in order that it could plausibly be described as having also injured Connally.
I believe many claim the back wound was in fact an exit wound.
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id177.htm
Reams of evidence here totally demolishing the single bullet theory.

Those who dont believe a conspiracy possible claim no evidence exists showing that shots came from the Grassy Knoll. In fact yards and yards of film is available showing people running towards and pointing at.....the Grassy Knoll.
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/knoll.htm

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RE: Kennedy Assasination documents found - 2/21/2008 7:23:58 AM

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Something else. If you watch films of the motorcade as it turns left into Elm street you will see that there are a few dozen people standing on the steet corner looking down Elm with the Depository on their right.

So I ask why did so few witnesses came forward to say the shots came from the 6th floor. ?
Fifty or so were right under the alleged source of the "only " shots.
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