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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/18/2008 7:50:51 PM

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Baby flies in for hospital visit. Homeland-Security-Nazi fucks up. Baby Dies.

Feel any safer?

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/18/2008 10:04:36 PM

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The answer to that was in the artical. No. There wasnt a hospital equiped to handle open heart surgury on an infant.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I wonder about the whole thing myself.

I am commenting just on the posts in this thread.

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Next, why was the child put on a plane to go get treatment ? Don't they have hospitals there ?

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/18/2008 10:34:04 PM

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So they brought the infant from one venue ill equipped to handle the problem, at great expense to another.

I hate to say this but, let the kid die, it was going to be raised by morons anyway.

What is wrong with these people ? If they had a brain they could've taken the kid to Austrailia, Finland, who knows, for some real medical care, or does that cost money ?

You get my dig here. Why is it when people want freebies they all come here ?

So basically, so what ? Kid died, go home, I owe these people nothing. If they had a brain they would go somewhere that real help was available. Perhaps this is the gov's way of saying NO, we are not spending a fucking hundred grand of taxpayer money on your kid, and letting the world get the message, that we are through giving away what we have built supposedly for our people.

Sad, logical and absolutely true.

Color me the monster if you want, but if simple logic is a monster, so be it. I said what I said. I don't think what happened is right, but we have absolutely no responsibility to this family or their kid. If they can afford to fly around like that, go somewhere with good medical, and call first. This is not our problem.

I hope people of the world learn not to come here. But then we got a long way to go in fucking up this country before we will stop the Mexicans. But be patient, eventually we will be trying to 'escape' to Mexico. Just give it time.

And don't give me a story of the downtrodden, the poor, when they can afford airfare. I ain't buying it.

If you come to this country for free medical, you should get what I get, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

That's right. Even if they are citizens, what do I get ? NOTHING. Why should they get anything ?

Facts folks.

T

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/18/2008 10:47:47 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

So they brought the infant from one venue ill equipped to handle the problem, at great expense to another.

I hate to say this but, let the kid die, it was going to be raised by morons anyway.

What is wrong with these people ? If they had a brain they could've taken the kid to Austrailia, Finland, who knows, for some real medical care, or does that cost money ?

You get my dig here. Why is it when people want freebies they all come here ?

So basically, so what ? Kid died, go home, I owe these people nothing. If they had a brain they would go somewhere that real help was available. Perhaps this is the gov's way of saying NO, we are not spending a fucking hundred grand of taxpayer money on your kid, and letting the world get the message, that we are through giving away what we have built supposedly for our people.

Sad, logical and absolutely true.

Color me the monster if you want, but if simple logic is a monster, so be it. I said what I said. I don't think what happened is right, but we have absolutely no responsibility to this family or their kid. If they can afford to fly around like that, go somewhere with good medical, and call first. This is not our problem.

I hope people of the world learn not to come here. But then we got a long way to go in fucking up this country before we will stop the Mexicans. But be patient, eventually we will be trying to 'escape' to Mexico. Just give it time.

And don't give me a story of the downtrodden, the poor, when they can afford airfare. I ain't buying it.

If you come to this country for free medical, you should get what I get, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

That's right. Even if they are citizens, what do I get ? NOTHING. Why should they get anything ?

Facts folks.

T

T:
So the fact that they are American citizens who pay taxes and are entitled to care does not make any difference to you?
I noticed in the newspaper article that they were going to the Kaiser hospital not a general hospital so it would appear that they were covered by Kaiser insurance.
Why are you assuming that these people were looking for a freebie?
Why do you think these people are morons?
If you were to take a look at a map you might notice that Samoa is closer to Hawaii than it is to Australia or Finland.
thompson

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/18/2008 11:01:18 PM

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You really don't know for a fact they payed for airfair, it could of been free because it was a medical emergency.

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And don't give me a story of the downtrodden, the poor, when they can afford airfare. I ain't buying it.

T

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/18/2008 11:40:50 PM

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Who pays for that then, their govt ? To get them here for the freebies ?

I have to tell you all something so you do not think me a bastard MF. Well maybe I am but so what.

I live my life without medical intervention. Last time was about 20 years ago getting some roids cut, before that was about a five inch cut in my hand, all the way to the bone, to get stitched up. I have not seen a doctor in at least twenty years and I have no plans to at all. If I cannot live I will die. That is my choice and I will stick to it.

Now the bastard part, well my kid would not be a bastard by the strict definition of the term, because I would be there. The lack of a piece of paper would not make the kid a bastard. But my judgement prevails.

If my kid, my own flesh and blood were not able to survive without medical intervention I would let him or her die. That may sound harsh, perhaps I am a monster. I would not have a child with a Woman who did not share this philosophy. We would be branded terrible people, and accused of being religious zealots or something. But that is not it.

A free life is a free life, and it is the only life worth having. I would never let someone be dependent on medical "care" for life. And they can go ahead and execute me for that, for the religious zealots, would that make me the last martyr ? Like in the movie 'The Seventh Sign', the last matyr was a guy who killed his Parents because they were siblings. When the lawyer came in and said "Just say you're crazy and they let you go after a while" the guy said no, the lawyer said that nobody will know, the guy said "God will know".Of course when they executed him all kinds of shit started happening, but really, if you have faith, for real, not that pretended bullshit they spew, if you got real faith you really do think about that, and you think about that first.

I am not religious at all, but to be true to myself, I could not allow any major invasive medical procedures on an infant of mine. That is the way I am. I will live my life MY WAY and any offspring of mine will live their lives MY WAY. It really is that simple.

If they die they die by the laws of nature. I will not allow someone with my DNA to be dependent. They are to be dependent upon me only, and if I do not have what they need they die. That is it.

I do not expect anyone else to live by my rules. You make your own decisions.

You must understand this, not only would I not fly, even my own forstborn son anywhere for treatment, I would not even drive down the street.

When my family goes to funerals, there is usually no crying, it's like 'yup they're gone'. And that is it, where is the beer ? When I bury my Father, who has taugfht me SOOOO much, I am going to walk in there and say "He is gone, what you have here is a carcass, dispose of it, some social interaction would be nice, but we don't really need it all that much". Burn him and urn him.

No.

Youse people think your life is worth so much, it is so sacred, so valuable. Some of you think it is more valuable than not just any, but all of the 300,000,000 other lives in this country. It is not. And neither is your kid's.

With the world population what it is, the best thing we can do for life is to die.

Sorry to put it this way, but facts are facts. You can ignore them until you die, or not. Take your pick.

T

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/19/2008 12:05:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Baby flies in for hospital visit. Homeland-Security-Nazi fucks up. Baby Dies.

Feel any safer?

No but this isn't as cut and dry as you like to pretend things are. Why weren't there paramedics already at the hospital if this was such a time sensitive operation, as it clearly was? Why didn't the airport already know far in advance so it could prepare and clear the papers ahead of time?

No, they should not have been detained, but that doesn't make things black and white. Just because her papers turned out to be in order doesn't mean they looked like they were in order and, as already stated, they couldn't take the baby from her for legal reasons. And frankly, no I don't think having a baby with you is a good enough reason to get past security. Considering that kids are being recuited as sucide bombers in other parts of the world, I honestly would not be surprised if some wacko decided to use their infant as a bomb.

I really want to know why there wasn't a waiting ambulance and medical team ready to whisk the baby to the OR. That was truly poor planning with a tragic ending.

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/19/2008 12:27:13 AM

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Aquatic, I can tell you why. I think.

The Parents had the money for plane tickets and a private nurse and all that, they could've taken the kid to any number of places, and got fixed up maybe. But they decided to come to the US and get a freebie.

Fuck them.

T

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/19/2008 12:36:18 AM

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quote:

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Aquatic, I can tell you why. I think.

The Parents had the money for plane tickets and a private nurse and all that, they could've taken the kid to any number of places, and got fixed up maybe. But they decided to come to the US and get a freebie.

Fuck them.

T

Maybe, maybe not. I personally disagree with your venom and would like to make that very clear for anyone who follows this thread - this isn't the time to be spewing hatred at the parents. I'd like to know why things weren't arranged ahead of time and your answer is possible, though I don't really consider it likely. If they wanted a freebie there are ways of arranging it and those avenues would have certainly provided the critical transporation that was lacking.

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/19/2008 7:24:49 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Aquatic, I can tell you why. I think.

The Parents had the money for plane tickets and a private nurse and all that, they could've taken the kid to any number of places, and got fixed up maybe. But they decided to come to the US and get a freebie.

Fuck them.

T

T:
You keep carping on a non issue...They are American citizens...why would they go someplace beside an American hospital?
This coupled with the fact that Honolulu is the closest hospital with the resources needed.
Nothing in the article says anything about them seeking freebies?
Why do you assume that they are getting airplane rides or care for free. The article clearly states that they were going to Kaiser hospital so it would follow that they have Kaiser insurance.
thompson

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/19/2008 8:50:54 AM

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Term no where does it say that their nurse was a private nurse. More than likely she was one from the hospital where the child was born and the tickets were probably pid for by the hospital NOT the gov't, but who knows. And guess what as a citizen and a human being he has a right to live. Children are born everyday with heart murmur and holes and are operated on. Just because you would not save your child doesn'[t give you the right to come down on others for doing the same. Personally if one surgery could save my child I would do whatever the hell I had to to see it done even if it meant taking the charity of another and getting on a plane.

I won't call you a monster but you are stone cold.You speak as if letting your child go is the easist thing in the world. Its NOT. I had a daughter born with a more sever hole in her heart and I was faced with that same choice. I let her go only because of the serverity of her condition and the amount of surgieries she would possibly have to go through later on. I took my mother off life support when the cancer had spread to her body cancer the doctors failed to keep an eye on whiile taking care of something else which ws the result of a technicians fuck up.

This boy had the chance at a full nd happy life with one little surgery and you say OH WELL? Your child died go home we owe you nothing? Hardly. The boy was fine until they were confined to a hot room and then denied the ability to leave when they alerted the 'authories' of the problem. I'm sorry but they are owed plenty. Somewhere in the chain of command someone or several ppl dropped the ball.Yes no amount of money will bring him back but a big enough amount will make sure nothing like this EVER happens again. The paper work was in order there was no reason to hold any of them.

As for someone's comment about the room being hot. Heat can aggravate a number of issues including a heart condition within a child. Its possible he didn't need constant oxygen, but there are also chances they weren't allowed acces to his tank; I'm not going to speculate. Either way when you are flying for a medical condition anythign else could have cropped up and yes they should have had medical transportationw aiting for them regardless of how severe his condition may or may not have been.

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/19/2008 9:22:41 AM

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That is very sad... Always sad to hear a child died

A child dies every time you have a happy... evil bastards.

That said, isn't it interesting how it's sad to hear it, but not nearly as sad that it happens every few seconds?

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/21/2008 8:54:13 PM

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Aquatic, I can tell you why. I think.

The Parents had the money for plane tickets and a private nurse and all that, they could've taken the kid to any number of places, and got fixed up maybe. But they decided to come to the US and get a freebie.

Fuck them.

T

Has any one yet tumbled to the fact that they are American citizens and that is why they came to America for treatment.
That it has not been established anywhere that they were getting a "freebie"
thompson

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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/22/2008 7:47:53 AM

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Thompson sweetie, why confuse the issue with facts???
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RE: Baby detained, dies in Honolulu airport - 2/22/2008 8:15:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Aquatic, I can tell you why. I think.

The Parents had the money for plane tickets and a private nurse and all that, they could've taken the kid to any number of places, and got fixed up maybe. But they decided to come to the US and get a freebie.

Fuck them.

T

Has any one yet tumbled to the fact that they are American citizens and that is why they came to America for treatment.
That it has not been established anywhere that they were getting a "freebie"
thompson

"PAGO PAGO, American Samoa - American Samoa's delegate to the U.S. Congress is calling for an investigation into the death of a baby at Honolulu International Airport."

Have people missed the part in civics or geography where it explains that these were American citizens.

http://americansamoa.gov/

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/aq.html

http://www.ipacific.com/samoa/samoa.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Samoa

And even if that were not the case what is the reason for the hostility towards the parents?

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